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On May 25 2012 06:47 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 06:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 25 2012 06:40 nakam wrote:I don't know if this has been posted before but this is an excellent post that explain how Blizzard messed this game up. Diablo 2 is better than Diablo 3 for one very important reason: items are far more interesting, compelling, individual, diverse and fun in Diablo 2.
Diablo is a game that is all about loot. The items need to be amazing, have character, feel specialized to a certain class/build and be fun. Diablo 2's items are, Diablo 3's items are not. This is a huge problem and it's going to kill Diablo 3 fast if it's not fixed. What makes players passionate about a Diablo game is the item hunt due to the desire to obtain amazing and cool items. i am a wizard. i am using a one handed axe as my main weapon. that is fucking stupid. the magic books, the orbs, the skulls...those are cool. but, i should be using a wand, not a fucking melee weapon. Honestly the majority of 'mage' characters in a lot of games use melee weapons that serve to boost stats.
That doesn't mean that it's good design. I have a similar issue with using a 2h sword on my WD because it's the best DPS. For one, if they're not going to include stat requirements on gear (i.e. make it prohibitive for casters to equip these items because they require too much strength), then they need to give a better incentive for casters to use appropriate weapons.
I have to agree about the items not feeling as compelling as they did in D2. I find myself looking for three things on items in D3: my primary stat, vitality, and magic find. Everything else is gravy as long as it's alongside those other stats. Maybe it's just a perception issue, but I feel like, in general, items in D3 seem less unique and interesting.
I'm having fun with the game, but can already feel myself losing interest and playing more SC2 than D3. That's pretty bad for a game I was soooooo stoked for and it's only been out for 9 days.
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On May 25 2012 07:08 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 06:52 Dfgj wrote:On May 25 2012 06:50 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 25 2012 06:47 Dfgj wrote:On May 25 2012 06:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 25 2012 06:40 nakam wrote:I don't know if this has been posted before but this is an excellent post that explain how Blizzard messed this game up. Diablo 2 is better than Diablo 3 for one very important reason: items are far more interesting, compelling, individual, diverse and fun in Diablo 2.
Diablo is a game that is all about loot. The items need to be amazing, have character, feel specialized to a certain class/build and be fun. Diablo 2's items are, Diablo 3's items are not. This is a huge problem and it's going to kill Diablo 3 fast if it's not fixed. What makes players passionate about a Diablo game is the item hunt due to the desire to obtain amazing and cool items. i am a wizard. i am using a one handed axe as my main weapon. that is fucking stupid. the magic books, the orbs, the skulls...those are cool. but, i should be using a wand, not a fucking melee weapon. Honestly the majority of 'mage' characters in a lot of games use melee weapons that serve to boost stats. been awhile since i played d2, but didnt you have to sacrifice char points to put in to strength to use good melee weapons? i think its retarded that mages can use the exact same weapon as a barb with no disincentive. Not a ton if you used 'caster' melee weapons, that had poor physical stats for strong stat boosts. Spectral Shard (classic), Wizardspike, Hoto (flail), Doom (axe). You did need a few points in str, but you had those for using shields anyway. still think its stupid. i used to play with my brothers and we would each choose a different class so that we didn't fight over items (still happened of course). now, with diablo 3, you can be the wizard, barb, monk and witch doctor, and when an axe drops everyone wants it. the only person who doesnt care is the demon hunter. anyways, i agree with the idea in the referenced article that there needs to be more class specific items other than just whichever item has the most vit/your primary stat. oh, and fucking wizards shouldnt be allowed to use melee weapons. ;-) D&D disapproves.
Now, with D3, everyone gets their own damn loot, and if your siblings want your axe, they can trade you the cool bow they got.
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On May 25 2012 07:05 spacemonkey4eve wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 04:31 LaNague wrote:
OK, i need help wih my DH.
i have been farming inferno act 1 with my DH for days now and can finish the whole act in record timewith no deaths.
I dont gain any more benefit from the drops there, except for a very lucky perfect drop that occurs once a month.
I even spend 2 millions on the auction house for cheated act 4 items.
When i go to Act 2, i get completely destroyed and i am literally dying every 2 minutes because anything that touches me, anything at all, kills me.
I dont know how to get better gear, i am completely stuck with this char, its frustrating and im about to completely give up.
So, what would you do; what are you doing to gear up after act 1? lol I'm in the same position with my DH. Butcher runs are getting boring and the moment I step into Act 2 those jumping asswhats 1 shot me. I realize I need better gear (26k dps, 20k hp, no resists) and the only thing I can think of now is doing act 4 runs, instead of doing butcher runs for a month.
Well, I'm a barb with 45k hp, pretty decent resist and 11k dps. No problems at all in act 1, get pretty bruised in act 2 - just running around not doing much while my friends kill stuff ^^
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yeah the item design is really really awful (compared to what i'm used from Diablo2 and imo also compared to for example Titan Quest). you find almost only blue and rare items and when you find a legendary it's either really bad compared to the items you can get on the AH for cheap or it's bad anyway. except if you have that much luck to find a good legendary that exactly fits your level. and from what i read on the forums here, even most LATE game inferno legendarys are not good in comparison to even blue items...
at first i thought, hell yeah, so many randomnized stats even legendarys and specially on rares are going to make the game really interesting. however i found out the item system really needs some work. well, the game is fun anyway but the item system isn't really the reason so far.
wtb good legendarys, more of them and fair drop rates (even if they make them bind on equip to make the AH less flooded) and also runewords (yeah, yeah, they are gonna add them with the addons anyway)
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Just got a ring: 120 vit, 120 int with a socket @_@
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On May 25 2012 07:31 Torte de Lini wrote:
Just got a ring: 120 vit, 120 int with a socket @_@
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What loot wizardry are you using
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I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@
It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though).
How much could it go for O:
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Don't let people lowball you, it's worth at least 7000 gold.
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On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@ It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though). How much could it go for O:
not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good.
like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str...
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On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@ It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though). How much could it go for O: not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good. like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str...
Just sold for 1.2 mil
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On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@ It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though). How much could it go for O: not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good. like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str... Just sold for 1.2 mil
I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear?
Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread!
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On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@ It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though). How much could it go for O: not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good. like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str... Just sold for 1.2 mil
nice chunk of gold there. surprised someone burned 1.2M on it without it having attack speed
now a ring with attack speed, high vit, high DPS character stat, MF, +all resist, and some other stat (+damage?)
RMAH ring right there
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On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@ It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though). How much could it go for O: not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good. like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str... Just sold for 1.2 mil I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear? Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread!
The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that.
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On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@ It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though). How much could it go for O: not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good. like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str... Just sold for 1.2 mil I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear? Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread! The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that.
Could be, but not neccesarily true. In my experience if things don't sell in the first couple hours, there's not a great chance they will sell at all. It's really hard to tell, it's a niche item and I think only a sucker is buying it for that price. Would the same sucker pay 300k more? Maybe.
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On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@ It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though). How much could it go for O: not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good. like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str... Just sold for 1.2 mil I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear? Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread! The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that.
It sold in less than 5 minutes. I was in the bathroom :B
I just got a quiver, but I dunno how to gauge their value at all ):
78 dex +13 attack speed Regen 27 +7 max disc and a socket
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On May 25 2012 08:50 Azuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@ It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though). How much could it go for O: not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good. like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str... Just sold for 1.2 mil I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear? Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread! The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that. Could be, but not neccesarily true. In my experience if things don't sell in the first couple hours, there's not a great chance they will sell at all. It's really hard to tell, it's a niche item and I think only a sucker is buying it for that price. Would the same sucker pay 300k more? Maybe.
agree. i wish you could shorten the time for bids so that you can take off items if people arent interested. or increase it beyond 10 items.
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Wtf? Guess it won't take long until we see another Hotfix.
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On May 25 2012 08:51 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@ It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though). How much could it go for O: not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good. like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str... Just sold for 1.2 mil I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear? Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread! The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that. It sold in less than 5 minutes. I was in the bathroom :B I just got a quiver, but I dunno how to gauge their value at all ): 78 dex +13 attack speed Regen 27 +7 max disc and a socket
What's the required level? If it's 60 I can't really help you (only to 50 myself) but that extra discipline looks damn good for a demon hunter (might be enough to get off a third smokescreen)
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On May 25 2012 09:02 Kaonis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 08:51 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@ It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though). How much could it go for O: not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good. like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str... Just sold for 1.2 mil I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear? Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread! The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that. It sold in less than 5 minutes. I was in the bathroom :B I just got a quiver, but I dunno how to gauge their value at all ): 78 dex +13 attack speed Regen 27 +7 max disc and a socket What's the required level? If it's 60 I can't really help you (only to 50 myself) but that extra discipline looks damn good for a demon hunter (might be enough to get off a third smokescreen)
Yeah, it's 60. I just don't know if its even worht selling.
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