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On August 11 2011 04:05 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 03:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:I respect TB as a caster, and many of his opinions are spot on... however I feel like he has never played diablo, has no idea how this RMAH is really going to work, and is at this point in time talking out his ass. No, I'm just the kind of person that believes in actually playing the game you want to get rewards out of, not being able to buy the best gear in the game and feeding Blizzard a ton of cash in the process. What, you think Blizzard should capitulate just because people are fucking retards who insist on cheating at everything? Let's go the whole hog, buy your way into Grand Masters in SC2, buy extra supply with real cash! Where does it end? Sorry, back in my day we didn't mix up the words play and pay. From what I've gathered from the information I've read on the subject, its more like you'll be able to "buy diamond league" once you have played 200 games. There will be a good amount of equipment you can buy, but nothing that would constitute "top tier", and in order to use this gear, you will need to have played enough to reach the level required to use the items. You'll have to have enough strength etc to use the item, and you're not able to buy levels. So you'll be able to optimize your character for its level, to a point.
Except for the fact that blizzard has like took away all the skill points in the game and gave people just standard generic passive skills for every class and "items" are going to be the main thing that gives your character power.
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On August 11 2011 03:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +I respect TB as a caster, and many of his opinions are spot on... however I feel like he has never played diablo, has no idea how this RMAH is really going to work, and is at this point in time talking out his ass. No, I'm just the kind of person that believes in actually playing the game you want to get rewards out of, not being able to buy the best gear in the game and feeding Blizzard a ton of cash in the process. What, you think Blizzard should capitulate just because people are fucking retards who insist on cheating at everything? Let's go the whole hog, buy your way into Grand Masters in SC2, buy extra supply with real cash! Where does it end? Sorry, back in my day we didn't mix up the words play and pay.
I suppose this is fair point.
Personally, I am against these micro transactions either way, I just don't think that this RMAH will effect my game play at all. I don't really mind if someone wants to cut corners for some better gear, power to them if they want to spend 50$ on gear in Diablo 3.
That being said, I also know that these kind of things will happen anyway in game all over the place regardless of where it is set in. There are enough "casual gamers" out there willing to spend money on Farmville that this coming to more serious games is almost inevitable.
As a long time diablo player, I just find comfort knowing that maybe instead of having 10k Forum Gold sitting around doing nothing, i could have $500 sitting in my pocket strictly from playing a game I enjoy... which is the only real positive from this whole situation. Everyone used D2jsp anyway, as someone with a fair amount of FG i think it would be nice to have an option to "cash out" as well. (note: I know that you can only have things go to an Ebalance or into Paypal/Credit card and I also know that transfering to one of my accounts means another fee.)
I guess my point of view is that I don't think the RMAH hurts my play at all, and it isn't really adding a feature that wasn't already there (which, as much as it may have been "wrong" before, no body could tell who was buying items for real money anyway) and gives me a potential to benefit at the same time. As much as I don't like the general trend, it doesn't change anything for my playtime. Diablo isn't supposed to be competitve either so your "buying your way into GM" is a touch off base.
Alas, I understand your point.
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On August 11 2011 04:07 DrBoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:05 Mohdoo wrote:On August 11 2011 03:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:I respect TB as a caster, and many of his opinions are spot on... however I feel like he has never played diablo, has no idea how this RMAH is really going to work, and is at this point in time talking out his ass. No, I'm just the kind of person that believes in actually playing the game you want to get rewards out of, not being able to buy the best gear in the game and feeding Blizzard a ton of cash in the process. What, you think Blizzard should capitulate just because people are fucking retards who insist on cheating at everything? Let's go the whole hog, buy your way into Grand Masters in SC2, buy extra supply with real cash! Where does it end? Sorry, back in my day we didn't mix up the words play and pay. From what I've gathered from the information I've read on the subject, its more like you'll be able to "buy diamond league" once you have played 200 games. There will be a good amount of equipment you can buy, but nothing that would constitute "top tier", and in order to use this gear, you will need to have played enough to reach the level required to use the items. You'll have to have enough strength etc to use the item, and you're not able to buy levels. So you'll be able to optimize your character for its level, to a point. Except for the fact that blizzard has like took away all the skill points in the game and gave people just standard generic passive skills for every class and "items" are going to be the main thing that gives your character power.
You know everyone used the same builds over and over anyway right? For the most part, it was just gear that gave you power... I believe each level you gain also increases the power of each skill as well.
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On August 11 2011 04:12 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:07 DrBoo wrote:On August 11 2011 04:05 Mohdoo wrote:On August 11 2011 03:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:I respect TB as a caster, and many of his opinions are spot on... however I feel like he has never played diablo, has no idea how this RMAH is really going to work, and is at this point in time talking out his ass. No, I'm just the kind of person that believes in actually playing the game you want to get rewards out of, not being able to buy the best gear in the game and feeding Blizzard a ton of cash in the process. What, you think Blizzard should capitulate just because people are fucking retards who insist on cheating at everything? Let's go the whole hog, buy your way into Grand Masters in SC2, buy extra supply with real cash! Where does it end? Sorry, back in my day we didn't mix up the words play and pay. From what I've gathered from the information I've read on the subject, its more like you'll be able to "buy diamond league" once you have played 200 games. There will be a good amount of equipment you can buy, but nothing that would constitute "top tier", and in order to use this gear, you will need to have played enough to reach the level required to use the items. You'll have to have enough strength etc to use the item, and you're not able to buy levels. So you'll be able to optimize your character for its level, to a point. Except for the fact that blizzard has like took away all the skill points in the game and gave people just standard generic passive skills for every class and "items" are going to be the main thing that gives your character power. You know everyone used the same builds over and over anyway right? For the most part, it was just gear that gave you power... I believe each level you gain also increases the power of each skill as well.
Yes I know that but I as replying to the person I quoted... There's no such thing as not having enough of this stat or skill for an item.
Also there was a much more broad range of skills you could play with in Diablo 2. You didn't always have to follow cookie cutter builds for everything. It might not have been the most optimized for PvP but if you were doing PvE you could have a lot of fun with various builds.
Hell I had a barbarian with Frenzy and Double Throw because I wanted something unique and fun.
I've made tanking Sorc's, I've made Spearzon's, etc there was a TON of builds you could use just to have fun in the game and have a more deep level of enjoyment instead of just playing the same generic build as everyone else. Of course if you were going to PvP you'd have your PvP build character but it didn't mean you couldn't have multiple other fun characters.
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On August 11 2011 04:21 DrBoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:12 iCanada wrote:On August 11 2011 04:07 DrBoo wrote:On August 11 2011 04:05 Mohdoo wrote:On August 11 2011 03:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:I respect TB as a caster, and many of his opinions are spot on... however I feel like he has never played diablo, has no idea how this RMAH is really going to work, and is at this point in time talking out his ass. No, I'm just the kind of person that believes in actually playing the game you want to get rewards out of, not being able to buy the best gear in the game and feeding Blizzard a ton of cash in the process. What, you think Blizzard should capitulate just because people are fucking retards who insist on cheating at everything? Let's go the whole hog, buy your way into Grand Masters in SC2, buy extra supply with real cash! Where does it end? Sorry, back in my day we didn't mix up the words play and pay. From what I've gathered from the information I've read on the subject, its more like you'll be able to "buy diamond league" once you have played 200 games. There will be a good amount of equipment you can buy, but nothing that would constitute "top tier", and in order to use this gear, you will need to have played enough to reach the level required to use the items. You'll have to have enough strength etc to use the item, and you're not able to buy levels. So you'll be able to optimize your character for its level, to a point. Except for the fact that blizzard has like took away all the skill points in the game and gave people just standard generic passive skills for every class and "items" are going to be the main thing that gives your character power. You know everyone used the same builds over and over anyway right? For the most part, it was just gear that gave you power... I believe each level you gain also increases the power of each skill as well. Yes I know that but I as replying to the person I quoted... There's no such thing as not having enough of this stat or skill for an item. Also there was a much more broad range of skills you could play with in Diablo 2. You didn't always have to follow cookie cutter builds for everything. It might not have been the most optimized for PvP but if you were doing PvE you could have a lot of fun with various builds. Hell I had a barbarian with Frenzy and Double Throw because I wanted something unique and fun. I've made tanking Sorc's, I've made Spearzon's, etc there was a TON of builds you could use just to have fun in the game and have a more deep level of enjoyment instead of just playing the same generic build as everyone else. Of course if you were going to PvP you'd have your PvP build character but it didn't mean you couldn't have multiple other fun characters.
I think you'll still be able to use the same fun builds in D3. I think they said they have like 20 activated skills per characters, and you can only choose 6. Seems like there will be plenty of options... if not more viable than D2.
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On August 11 2011 04:21 DrBoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:12 iCanada wrote:On August 11 2011 04:07 DrBoo wrote:On August 11 2011 04:05 Mohdoo wrote:On August 11 2011 03:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:I respect TB as a caster, and many of his opinions are spot on... however I feel like he has never played diablo, has no idea how this RMAH is really going to work, and is at this point in time talking out his ass. No, I'm just the kind of person that believes in actually playing the game you want to get rewards out of, not being able to buy the best gear in the game and feeding Blizzard a ton of cash in the process. What, you think Blizzard should capitulate just because people are fucking retards who insist on cheating at everything? Let's go the whole hog, buy your way into Grand Masters in SC2, buy extra supply with real cash! Where does it end? Sorry, back in my day we didn't mix up the words play and pay. From what I've gathered from the information I've read on the subject, its more like you'll be able to "buy diamond league" once you have played 200 games. There will be a good amount of equipment you can buy, but nothing that would constitute "top tier", and in order to use this gear, you will need to have played enough to reach the level required to use the items. You'll have to have enough strength etc to use the item, and you're not able to buy levels. So you'll be able to optimize your character for its level, to a point. Except for the fact that blizzard has like took away all the skill points in the game and gave people just standard generic passive skills for every class and "items" are going to be the main thing that gives your character power. You know everyone used the same builds over and over anyway right? For the most part, it was just gear that gave you power... I believe each level you gain also increases the power of each skill as well. Yes I know that but I as replying to the person I quoted... There's no such thing as not having enough of this stat or skill for an item. Also there was a much more broad range of skills you could play with in Diablo 2. You didn't always have to follow cookie cutter builds for everything. It might not have been the most optimized for PvP but if you were doing PvE you could have a lot of fun with various builds. Hell I had a barbarian with Frenzy and Double Throw because I wanted something unique and fun. I've made tanking Sorc's, I've made Spearzon's, etc there was a TON of builds you could use just to have fun in the game and have a more deep level of enjoyment instead of just playing the same generic build as everyone else. Of course if you were going to PvP you'd have your PvP build character but it didn't mean you couldn't have multiple other fun characters.
So did your innovative builds include putting 10 points into one skills and 13 into the other? Or did you just max it out like most other people would. I have no problem with losing skill points, but i am a bit sad about losing stat points.
Also, frenzy/double throw was pretty standard from what i remember. I believe frenzy and double throw synergized off of each other, meaning that if you wanted to do one, you basically did the other. In this way you'd have both max anyways. The question simply is.... what gear did you use?
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What a terrible article. Their argument that blizzard doesn't do anything for the players is that they don't have single player offline mode....
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On August 11 2011 03:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Well once again this thread taught me that the kind of people that call my opinions retarded generally have no idea what they're talking about to begin with XD
You cannot buy power in LoL, anyone who tells you otherwise has no clue what they're talking about. Boosts are not the same thing. Exp boosts for instance are actually DETRIMENTAL to your play, since they'll get you up to higher levels quicker but you won't have the IP to buy your runes properly if you rush. That and people sorely overestimate how important runes actually are. Even at level 3 across the board they are minor stat increases. Necessary, but not game-breaking. You cannot buy runes, nor can you make yourself anymore powerful than any other player with cash.
Do learn about the thing you're discussing before bashing me for my opinion on it, hmm?
For a limited amount of time, IP boosts provide a power advantage. If you take two equally skilled people that have both been playing LoL for 2 weeks and let them face off in a duel, both will have an equal chance at winning. If, however, one of these two has been using an IP boost, then the guy who has been using the IP boost will have a better chance at winning. That's assuming they only pick mirror heroes because if they're allowed to freely pick heroes, the guy that pays $$ is much more likely to be able to counter pick. You might argue that this is irrelevant because it's not a 1on1 game and I will disagree because if I, as a team captain, have to recruit one of these two, I will always recruit the guy that spends $$ because his laning phase will be better and he's gonna be more versatile.
If, by your definition, you're unable to buy power in LoL then, also by your definition, you're unable to buy power in D3.
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On August 11 2011 04:39 Pufftrees wrote:What a terrible article. Their argument that blizzard doesn't do anything for the players is that they don't have single player offline mode....
Well they in fact don't have an offline single player mode. That is a proven fact...
It is rather interesting point they bring up being that the auction house is anonymous and that can in fact mean that blizzard can post items up to the auction house without anyone knowing.
I do agree overall that is is very weird that the auction house is anonymous.
The article does overall seem like kind of a conspiracy theory idea but it does raise a few valid points.
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On August 11 2011 02:11 DrBoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:55 Bibdy wrote:On August 11 2011 01:39 howerpower wrote:
I'm really surprised by how many people think that real money trading is okay, even after years of Blizzard stance against it. It's the difference between an underground, black market and having everything out in the open, regulated and controlled. Anyone who supports the legalization of marijuana should be able to see the parallels. What? I never knew Marijuana could make me more powerful in the real world... I can see how you can put the two together but the thing is buying items off the RMAH causes my character to become stronger and more powerful then yours just because I have more money they you. I agree having it as a black market thing isn't good but it also limits the people who are going to do it and for the most part people get caught and banned for doing it. There might be the few people walking around with bought gear but for the most part its going to be legit people playing the game without advantage from having more money then another person. Sure some people can get all that good gear without paying but they actually have to spend a good amount of time in the game to actually get better and earn it. I have a fulltime job and I could easily buy anything I wanted in Diablo 3 from the RMAH but I just don't like the idea of being able to buy my self towards being better. Its like saying in starcraft 2 I won't bother playing for more then 30minutes a day then just buy lessons everyday instead of actually playing longer. It will probably make you better then the average person who simply plays for a few hours a day instead of only a short amount of time. Should dedication and time spent playing be eliminated by simply just paying your way to greatness instead of working hard at something to achieve it?
So, basically, your entire argument against RMAH is that in Diablo 2, you can cover your eyes and pretend that nobody else is doing it. And Diablo 3 is terrible because the official RMAH shattered your illusions about how easy and widespread buying items on unofficial channels really is.
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On August 11 2011 04:47 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 03:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Well once again this thread taught me that the kind of people that call my opinions retarded generally have no idea what they're talking about to begin with XD
You cannot buy power in LoL, anyone who tells you otherwise has no clue what they're talking about. Boosts are not the same thing. Exp boosts for instance are actually DETRIMENTAL to your play, since they'll get you up to higher levels quicker but you won't have the IP to buy your runes properly if you rush. That and people sorely overestimate how important runes actually are. Even at level 3 across the board they are minor stat increases. Necessary, but not game-breaking. You cannot buy runes, nor can you make yourself anymore powerful than any other player with cash.
Do learn about the thing you're discussing before bashing me for my opinion on it, hmm? For a limited amount of time, IP boosts provide a power advantage. If you take two equally skilled people that have both been playing LoL for 2 weeks and let them face off in a duel, both will have an equal chance at winning. If, however, one of these two has been using an IP boost, then the guy who has been using the IP boost will have a better chance at winning. That's assuming they only pick mirror heroes because if they're allowed to freely pick heroes, the guy that pays $$ is much more likely to be able to counter pick. You might argue that this is irrelevant because it's not a 1on1 game and I will disagree because if I, as a team captain, have to recruit one of these two, I will always recruit the guy that spends $$ because his laning phase will be better and he's gonna be more versatile. If, by your definition, you're unable to buy power in LoL then, also by your definition, you're unable to buy power in D3.
This is a really bad argument and it really doesn't constitute buying "power" either. Maybe owning an additional hero that someone else doesn't have doesn't mean you're going to be better at the game.
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On August 11 2011 04:51 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 02:11 DrBoo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:55 Bibdy wrote:On August 11 2011 01:39 howerpower wrote:
I'm really surprised by how many people think that real money trading is okay, even after years of Blizzard stance against it. It's the difference between an underground, black market and having everything out in the open, regulated and controlled. Anyone who supports the legalization of marijuana should be able to see the parallels. What? I never knew Marijuana could make me more powerful in the real world... I can see how you can put the two together but the thing is buying items off the RMAH causes my character to become stronger and more powerful then yours just because I have more money they you. I agree having it as a black market thing isn't good but it also limits the people who are going to do it and for the most part people get caught and banned for doing it. There might be the few people walking around with bought gear but for the most part its going to be legit people playing the game without advantage from having more money then another person. Sure some people can get all that good gear without paying but they actually have to spend a good amount of time in the game to actually get better and earn it. I have a fulltime job and I could easily buy anything I wanted in Diablo 3 from the RMAH but I just don't like the idea of being able to buy my self towards being better. Its like saying in starcraft 2 I won't bother playing for more then 30minutes a day then just buy lessons everyday instead of actually playing longer. It will probably make you better then the average person who simply plays for a few hours a day instead of only a short amount of time. Should dedication and time spent playing be eliminated by simply just paying your way to greatness instead of working hard at something to achieve it? So, basically, your entire argument against RMAH is that in Diablo 2, you can cover your eyes and pretend that nobody else is doing it. And Diablo 3 is terrible because the official RMAH shattered your illusions about how easy and widespread buying items on unofficial channels really is.
What? No... not at all my argument is that you're buying power in Diablo 3 and blizzard is actively supporting it.
I know people bought power in Diablo 2 but then again they never had a competitive PvP system which they're trying to implement in Diablo 3.
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On August 11 2011 03:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +I respect TB as a caster, and many of his opinions are spot on... however I feel like he has never played diablo, has no idea how this RMAH is really going to work, and is at this point in time talking out his ass. No, I'm just the kind of person that believes in actually playing the game you want to get rewards out of, not being able to buy the best gear in the game and feeding Blizzard a ton of cash in the process. What, you think Blizzard should capitulate just because people are fucking retards who insist on cheating at everything? Let's go the whole hog, buy your way into Grand Masters in SC2, buy extra supply with real cash! Where does it end? Sorry, back in my day we didn't mix up the words play and pay.
Do you have to rely on slippery slope fallacies to make an argument?
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On August 11 2011 04:49 DrBoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:39 Pufftrees wrote:What a terrible article. Their argument that blizzard doesn't do anything for the players is that they don't have single player offline mode.... Well they in fact don't have an offline single player mode. That is a proven fact...
Yes, that is a fact. But a fact does not constitute a valid argument.
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On August 11 2011 04:54 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:47 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:On August 11 2011 03:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Well once again this thread taught me that the kind of people that call my opinions retarded generally have no idea what they're talking about to begin with XD
You cannot buy power in LoL, anyone who tells you otherwise has no clue what they're talking about. Boosts are not the same thing. Exp boosts for instance are actually DETRIMENTAL to your play, since they'll get you up to higher levels quicker but you won't have the IP to buy your runes properly if you rush. That and people sorely overestimate how important runes actually are. Even at level 3 across the board they are minor stat increases. Necessary, but not game-breaking. You cannot buy runes, nor can you make yourself anymore powerful than any other player with cash.
Do learn about the thing you're discussing before bashing me for my opinion on it, hmm? For a limited amount of time, IP boosts provide a power advantage. If you take two equally skilled people that have both been playing LoL for 2 weeks and let them face off in a duel, both will have an equal chance at winning. If, however, one of these two has been using an IP boost, then the guy who has been using the IP boost will have a better chance at winning. That's assuming they only pick mirror heroes because if they're allowed to freely pick heroes, the guy that pays $$ is much more likely to be able to counter pick. You might argue that this is irrelevant because it's not a 1on1 game and I will disagree because if I, as a team captain, have to recruit one of these two, I will always recruit the guy that spends $$ because his laning phase will be better and he's gonna be more versatile. If, by your definition, you're unable to buy power in LoL then, also by your definition, you're unable to buy power in D3. This is a really bad argument and it really doesn't constitute buying "power" either. Maybe owning an additional hero that someone else doesn't have doesn't mean you're going to be better at the game.
How is this a bad argument? Money gave an equally skilled person the edge, it's the very definition of buying power.
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On August 11 2011 04:58 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:49 DrBoo wrote:On August 11 2011 04:39 Pufftrees wrote:What a terrible article. Their argument that blizzard doesn't do anything for the players is that they don't have single player offline mode.... Well they in fact don't have an offline single player mode. That is a proven fact... Yes, that is a fact. But a fact does not constitute a valid argument.
...woah, woah when did this turn into a straw man argument?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Straw_man
I was under the impression that this argument was based upon facts.
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On August 11 2011 02:55 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 02:28 jimmyjingle wrote:On August 11 2011 02:22 Brad wrote:On August 11 2011 02:18 iNSiPiD1 wrote:On August 11 2011 01:20 Belial88 wrote:
Wow that totalbiscuit video was fucking retarded. That guy....
I guess he isn't aware that people had transactions and 'cheated with cash' D2 all day long. People still do that with Wow. I sold my toon for $480 on WoW on ebay, even after my listing was removed, and another $100 on a dedicated gold website (lvl 60 that had t.05 gear... but it was the day before BC).
And then there's sites like d2jsp, where you use 'forum gold' to trade, which you could also conveniently buy from the forum as well. Which is, gasp, money used to buy items. Although you COULD just use in-game resources to buy items.
The RMAH is just taking the model of D2jsp, the most successful blizzard trading site to ever exist. It's an amazing idea, most people will stick to using in-game resources, a select few will pay cash, but have a neglible effect on the community.
And modding did NOT keep d2 alive 'for ages'. That is so ridiculous, only little kids played on open.
And we obviously see how SC2 benefits from online only. It prevents hacks and bots from ruining the server, and keeps money in the pocket of Blizz, as it should. I had (actually still have) over 2,000 CD keys for D2 (only used it for bots). That translates to a LOT of lost money to blizz.
It's funny how much he hates on bots/hackers/dupes, and then cries about online-only.
Blizzard is not taking 'cuts' from the community. You don't HAVE to use the RMAH, it's only for the kids with rich parents or the adults who could care less about spending $5 on the most epic gear in the game. It's a small fee, that players have to pay just as if they were to use ebay or paypal.
Most retaded video ever. Just like a lot of what he says, why doesn't he just stick with wow.
User was temp banned for this post. I agree with this. TotalBiscuit was speaking out of ignorance on several things. The biggest of which was him talking about Blizzard being complete morons for adding this system into D3 instead of WoW. One doesn't have to look far to find Blizzard comments specific to why they believe this system is better for D3 than WoW. Also, he completely ignores the difference between selling power through a store like LoL (where the content is created and sold by Riot) and the RMAH in D3 (where the content is FOUND by the players). I used to think TB had a reasonable opinion on things, but this video is making me question whether that's true in general or not. You can buy power in LoL? it becomes necessary at a high level of play. Thing is though there is nothing in LoL you can buy with real money you can't buy with the in game currency. At a high level of play you may "have" to buy tons of champions but that is a choice made out of impatience (you could grind out the IP for them if you wanted to, or you could save the time and just buy it) not a requirement of the play. If I pay real cash for Miss Fortune (pun intended) that MF is no stronger or weaker than if I used IP to buy her. You don't buy power in LoL, you buy the ability to get things faster.
How is this different to D3, where you could find some awesome item you don't need, then trade it for the one you want? When the RMAH enters the equation, aren't you simply 'purchasing the ability to gear up faster'?
D3 is not a competitive game, so why the hell should I care that some dude bought the first Grandfather for $500, rather than found it himself? Shit, I only hope I'm the guy that finds the first one so I can make bank.
What freaking 'competitive edge' are we even talking about here?
This is like people complaining that noobs pay raiding guilds to carry them through content.
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On August 11 2011 05:04 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 02:55 STS17 wrote:On August 11 2011 02:28 jimmyjingle wrote:On August 11 2011 02:22 Brad wrote:On August 11 2011 02:18 iNSiPiD1 wrote:On August 11 2011 01:20 Belial88 wrote:
Wow that totalbiscuit video was fucking retarded. That guy....
I guess he isn't aware that people had transactions and 'cheated with cash' D2 all day long. People still do that with Wow. I sold my toon for $480 on WoW on ebay, even after my listing was removed, and another $100 on a dedicated gold website (lvl 60 that had t.05 gear... but it was the day before BC).
And then there's sites like d2jsp, where you use 'forum gold' to trade, which you could also conveniently buy from the forum as well. Which is, gasp, money used to buy items. Although you COULD just use in-game resources to buy items.
The RMAH is just taking the model of D2jsp, the most successful blizzard trading site to ever exist. It's an amazing idea, most people will stick to using in-game resources, a select few will pay cash, but have a neglible effect on the community.
And modding did NOT keep d2 alive 'for ages'. That is so ridiculous, only little kids played on open.
And we obviously see how SC2 benefits from online only. It prevents hacks and bots from ruining the server, and keeps money in the pocket of Blizz, as it should. I had (actually still have) over 2,000 CD keys for D2 (only used it for bots). That translates to a LOT of lost money to blizz.
It's funny how much he hates on bots/hackers/dupes, and then cries about online-only.
Blizzard is not taking 'cuts' from the community. You don't HAVE to use the RMAH, it's only for the kids with rich parents or the adults who could care less about spending $5 on the most epic gear in the game. It's a small fee, that players have to pay just as if they were to use ebay or paypal.
Most retaded video ever. Just like a lot of what he says, why doesn't he just stick with wow.
User was temp banned for this post. I agree with this. TotalBiscuit was speaking out of ignorance on several things. The biggest of which was him talking about Blizzard being complete morons for adding this system into D3 instead of WoW. One doesn't have to look far to find Blizzard comments specific to why they believe this system is better for D3 than WoW. Also, he completely ignores the difference between selling power through a store like LoL (where the content is created and sold by Riot) and the RMAH in D3 (where the content is FOUND by the players). I used to think TB had a reasonable opinion on things, but this video is making me question whether that's true in general or not. You can buy power in LoL? it becomes necessary at a high level of play. Thing is though there is nothing in LoL you can buy with real money you can't buy with the in game currency. At a high level of play you may "have" to buy tons of champions but that is a choice made out of impatience (you could grind out the IP for them if you wanted to, or you could save the time and just buy it) not a requirement of the play. If I pay real cash for Miss Fortune (pun intended) that MF is no stronger or weaker than if I used IP to buy her. You don't buy power in LoL, you buy the ability to get things faster. How is this different to D3, where you could find some awesome item you don't need, then trade it for the one you want? When the RMAH enters the equation, aren't you simply 'purchasing the ability to gear up faster'? D3 is not a competitive game, so why the hell should I care that some dude bought the first Grandfather for $500, rather than found it himself? Shit, I only hope I'm the guy that finds the first one so I can make bank. What freaking 'competitive edge' are we even talking about here?
Blizzard has already stated that they plan on making the PvP competitive which in turn is going to force people to buy items from the RMAH because all the good items are going to be on RMAH since people would much rather trade a high level item for cash as compared to in game gold.
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No they didnt. Where did you hear that?
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