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SpurvL
Sweden345 Posts
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On August 11 2011 02:28 jimmyjingle wrote: it becomes necessary at a high level of play. Thing is though there is nothing in LoL you can buy with real money you can't buy with the in game currency. At a high level of play you may "have" to buy tons of champions but that is a choice made out of impatience (you could grind out the IP for them if you wanted to, or you could save the time and just buy it) not a requirement of the play. If I pay real cash for Miss Fortune (pun intended) that MF is no stronger or weaker than if I used IP to buy her. You don't buy power in LoL, you buy the ability to get things faster. | ||
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Sverigevader
Sweden388 Posts
On August 11 2011 02:50 SpurvL wrote: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulmkELwKteo Of course it's fake... | ||
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
On August 11 2011 02:55 STS17 wrote: Thing is though there is nothing in LoL you can buy with real money you can't buy with the in game currency. At a high level of play you may "have" to buy tons of champions but that is a choice made out of impatience (you could grind out the IP for them if you wanted to, or you could save the time and just buy it) not a requirement of the play. If I pay real cash for Miss Fortune (pun intended) that MF is no stronger or weaker than if I used IP to buy her. You don't buy power in LoL, you buy the ability to get things faster. Wellspoken | ||
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okinoki
Germany103 Posts
On August 11 2011 02:50 SpurvL wrote: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulmkELwKteo At least made me check my bnet account. Pretty well done if it's fake. Since it's EU bnet i dont think it's real though. But whatever.. Blizzard will do a big announcement when the actual beta goes live, right? Not just like 'you waited years for this, if you don't F5 your bnet every hour, you'll never know though.' :-) | ||
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CheeseMeNot
80 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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SpurvL
Sweden345 Posts
On August 11 2011 02:59 okinoki wrote: At least made me check my bnet account. Pretty well done if it's fake. Since it's EU bnet i dont think it's real though. But whatever.. Blizzard will do a big announcement when the actual beta goes live, right? Not just like 'you waited years for this, if you don't F5 your bnet every hour, you'll never know though.' :-) Made me look also  | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
No its not... If you are in high level of play you get enough IP from playing games anyway. You see high level players with like 100k IP not being used. League of Legends definitely feels like it has a "buying power" aspect to someone like me who just players moderately. It's going to take me like half a year to get a good setup RMAH is buying your way through grinding gold or random drops. I think the big problem is that it greatly it fucks up the value of gold and creates a huge inflation. This will not stop boting or hacking of accounts.  Inflation and the value of gold will not be totally dependent on the RMAH, but mostly on goldsinks and the value of things like the new crafting system. As long as you can spend a bunch of money on crafting and get really sweet items we should be okay RMAH is not designed to stop botting or hacking. | ||
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rupert
182 Posts
On August 11 2011 02:55 STS17 wrote: Thing is though there is nothing in LoL you can buy with real money you can't buy with the in game currency. At a high level of play you may "have" to buy tons of champions but that is a choice made out of impatience (you could grind out the IP for them if you wanted to, or you could save the time and just buy it) not a requirement of the play. If I pay real cash for Miss Fortune (pun intended) that MF is no stronger or weaker than if I used IP to buy her. You don't buy power in LoL, you buy the ability to get things faster. For the people using this against D3. Isn't it the exact same thing with Diablo 3? There still is level/stat caps or something similar on items, right? You could grind boss fight for hours to find your Sword of Awesomeness, or you could buy it from oneone who found one and doen't need it. Here again, you don't buy power, you buy the ability to get things faster. | ||
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PepperoniPiZZa
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
On August 11 2011 01:00 Belial88 wrote: Dude just fucking google "diablo 2 hacks". EoNW, Hacks, Sector, Freedom, redvex, blizzhackers, and then there's d2jsp which, while legitimate now (and that's only because Tolberg's bot got patched and he can't make a new one), used to be based on - wait for it - the d2jsp-bot. Not to mention that hundreds of very active private but public communities like blue moon, wtf, ihatepk, and tppk. I'm not sure if explicitly saying hacking sites is allowed on TL, so all the above is just shorthand and isn't the full name (ie missing something like "clan" or "diablo" or "d2" to it). I mean how naive are you? Even most non-hackers are aware of these websites, they provide a lot of resources to a game that Blizzard has abandoned. You're kidding right, you're implying that developing hacks for retro-software is as difficult as developing modern hacks for modern state of the art software. You would think that Blizzard has spend a few millon dollar on anti-cheat measures. Even the ESL managed to 1up hacks for the past few months and it cost them less than a millon dollar. | ||
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RivalryRedux
United States173 Posts
On August 11 2011 01:57 howerpower wrote: of course it will happen, but by how many people? People assume that everyone just bought everything in Diablo II just b/c of the 100's of bots spamming in chat I guess? I've never once had the thought of "hey, maybe I could just buy a l33t weapon and wreck these npc's" and I assumed that it was a very small percentage of the community. Yes, it is true that I still will never have the urge to buy a weapon but I won't be able to escape the thought everytime an awesome item drops of "hmm, I better go check the auction house and see how much this weapon is worth" and in that regard it does impact my experience. It definitely rubs me the wrong way Hmm, seems kind of funny that you're bothered by having another option available to you. Would you prefer all BoP items instead of tradeable? To me it's just the next level in item freedom. BoP-> BoA/BoE -> No Bind -> No Bind & RMAH I mean I get the idea of wanting total purity and being immersed in the game world but I just don't think you're really ever going to be that bothered by finding an item worth 50-100$ or having the option to cash out legally for a couple hundred if you decide to stop playing. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
Here again, you don't buy power, you buy the ability to get things faster. Hard to say until we know D3 drop rates, but based on D2 it seems possible that some items are so rare you would have to play for years and years and maybe still not find them?It's still technically true, you would get them eventually on your own, but statistically they're very close to unattainable. | ||
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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
On August 11 2011 03:23 Tsagacity wrote: Hard to say until we know D3 drop rates, but based on D2 it seems possible that some items are so rare you would have to play for years and years and maybe still not find them? It's still technically true, you would get them eventually on your own, but statistically they're very close to unattainable. In this case, good luck trying to buy them (aka buying power with money). Someone has to find them in order for you to buy them. Ultimately, the work and time must be invested somewhere. Things will not appear out of thin air in this game. Anything you want to buy on the AH must have been earned by someone else on the server. D3 is only similar to LoL because you can't buy an advantage which is unobtainable to non-purchasing players. Anyone with time OR money can achieve that goal. This is the same exact case with LoL (with more promised out comes due to IP being constant), but it is Riot that is selling the champs/runes, not other players. In fact, this discrepency has to be in place in order for Riot and Blizzard to create a fair playing field. Since nothing is randomized in terms of purchasing for LoL, riot can freely put champs up to sale (ie if you spend the time, you will achieve your goal in a fixed amount of time). On the other hand, because item drops are randomized in D3, theres no telling when it will show up. This is why Blizzard cannot sell these items without selling power (ie everyone will have to spend a variable amount of time in order to achieve the same goal). | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
You cannot buy power in LoL, anyone who tells you otherwise has no clue what they're talking about. Boosts are not the same thing. Exp boosts for instance are actually DETRIMENTAL to your play, since they'll get you up to higher levels quicker but you won't have the IP to buy your runes properly if you rush. That and people sorely overestimate how important runes actually are. Even at level 3 across the board they are minor stat increases. Necessary, but not game-breaking. You cannot buy runes, nor can you make yourself anymore powerful than any other player with cash. Do learn about the thing you're discussing before bashing me for my opinion on it, hmm? | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 11 2011 02:55 STS17 wrote: Thing is though there is nothing in LoL you can buy with real money you can't buy with the in game currency. At a high level of play you may "have" to buy tons of champions but that is a choice made out of impatience (you could grind out the IP for them if you wanted to, or you could save the time and just buy it) not a requirement of the play. If I pay real cash for Miss Fortune (pun intended) that MF is no stronger or weaker than if I used IP to buy her. You don't buy power in LoL, you buy the ability to get things faster. Is that not the exact same as Diablo? Even without the auction house in the first place, I may never find that Vex rune I've been searching for to make the HotO i've been wanting, but eventually I'ma find an item worth about the same after an hour or two of MFing. Having the ability to shell out some cash for it instead of grinding a boss is simply cutting down the time it takes to acquire the same item you would have acquired before. I mean, even with D2jsp, I still have around the same level of gear I had before JSP got real popular, the only difference is I spend less time in random trade games and get the stuff I want when I want it. I respect TB as a caster, and many of his opinions are spot on... however I feel like he has never played diablo, has no idea how this RMAH is really going to work, and is at this point in time talking out his ass. It is borderline impossible for more people to buy items in D3 than did in D2. Especially with D2jsp, sooo many people buy FG and it is perfectly acceptable. And that is ignoring the tirades of botting websites out there that must have some income otherwise they would stop spamming me ingame. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
I respect TB as a caster, and many of his opinions are spot on... however I feel like he has never played diablo, has no idea how this RMAH is really going to work, and is at this point in time talking out his ass. No, I'm just the kind of person that believes in actually playing the game you want to get rewards out of, not being able to buy the best gear in the game and feeding Blizzard a ton of cash in the process. What, you think Blizzard should capitulate just because people are fucking retards who insist on cheating at everything? Let's go the whole hog, buy your way into Grand Masters in SC2, buy extra supply with real cash! Where does it end? Sorry, back in my day we didn't mix up the words play and pay. | ||
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DrBoo
Canada1177 Posts
On August 11 2011 03:55 TotalBiscuit wrote: No, I'm just the kind of person that believes in actually playing the game you want to get rewards out of, not being able to buy the best gear in the game and feeding Blizzard a ton of cash in the process. What, you think Blizzard should capitulate just because people are fucking retards who insist on cheating at everything? Let's go the whole hog, buy your way into Grand Masters in SC2, buy extra supply with real cash! Where does it end? Sorry, back in my day we didn't mix up the words play and pay. To me it sounds like people want to play "dress up" and pay money for new items to "dress up" with. I totally agree with you TB, I think the entire point of the RMAH is retarded. What do you think is going to happen to all the best items in the game? They're sure as hell not going to be available for trade on the gold auction house when people know they can sell it for actual money. So essentially all the best items in the game you're going to have to either buy from the RMAH or you're going to have to get lucky and find from drops. edit: anyway glad that Path of Exile beta is coming out today I hope that game stomps all over Diablo 3. Free to play but they've already stated that they're not going to be selling "power" | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On August 11 2011 03:55 TotalBiscuit wrote: No, I'm just the kind of person that believes in actually playing the game you want to get rewards out of, not being able to buy the best gear in the game and feeding Blizzard a ton of cash in the process. What, you think Blizzard should capitulate just because people are fucking retards who insist on cheating at everything? Let's go the whole hog, buy your way into Grand Masters in SC2, buy extra supply with real cash! Where does it end? Sorry, back in my day we didn't mix up the words play and pay. From what I've gathered from the information I've read on the subject, its more like you'll be able to "buy diamond league" once you have played 200 games. There will be a good amount of equipment you can buy, but nothing that would constitute "top tier", and in order to use this gear, you will need to have played enough to reach the level required to use the items. You'll have to have enough strength etc to use the item, and you're not able to buy levels. So you'll be able to optimize your character for its level, to a point. | ||
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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
On August 11 2011 03:55 TotalBiscuit wrote: No, I'm just the kind of person that believes in actually playing the game you want to get rewards out of, not being able to buy the best gear in the game and feeding Blizzard a ton of cash in the process. What, you think Blizzard should capitulate just because people are fucking retards who insist on cheating at everything? Let's go the whole hog, buy your way into Grand Masters in SC2, buy extra supply with real cash! Where does it end? Sorry, back in my day we didn't mix up the words play and pay. Gonna say this right now before I start. I haven't gotten a chance to watch your video because I'm at work. I will take a look after I get home. Everything I'm about to discuss is based entirely off the posts of other people. To be fair, the way you state this, the same can be applied to LoL. I personally haven't spent a cent on the game, but if I were, it would be to purchase champions. This would kill a part of the thrill for me though. I'd much rather play for the champs than purchase them. This goes 100 percent the same for D3. The option will be there, but I have no interest in taking part in it (other than to sell stuff i don't need). Blizzard is offering free so many postings per week, meaning that it won't cost me a cent out of my pocket, unless I decide I want to go hard core and end up having to dish out enough items to require me to pay a posting fee. Other than that, I don't need to pay anyone anything in order to get the best gear. This is the same case with LoL. As I mentioned in my post earlier, the only difference is that LoL you buy the champs through Riot (because here progress is constant) and for D3, you buy it from other players who invested the time (because time does not always equal progress if you have shit for luck). If you only search for the negative, you'll only find the negative. Think about the positives of being able to sell your overflowing D3 wealth or that those who don't have time to play the game full out can try everything. You say "back in my day...", but those same people are saying "back in my day I could take the time to reap the benefits, but now I have a family to feed and a job to work." And like i said, i'm not too interested in the system (I'm actually kinda stoked for the gold auction though for low lvl items when i start new characters) and I'll still laugh my ass off at spoiled kids who pay money for items, but this won't ruin my experience. At least not nearly as much as going into a D2 game and hearing "BUY D2 ITEMS AT THIS LOCATION" posted over and over again. | ||
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