On August 08 2011 21:40 Sindriss wrote: I really don't understand how everyone is buying blizzards opinion that item selling will occur anyway, so might as well make it legit and safe for the buyers. What sort of backwater logic is this? You can apply the same logic to drug dealing or prostitution. It will happen anyway, might as well make it legic and safe for the people involved.
Why do you want to make it safe for the people who buy items? I don't care if they get hacked and has to reinstall windows, or they lose the password to their email account. They have no one to blame other than themselves, as they decided to involve themselves in shady business. Its a risk that you will get hacked when you do that. And I think that is good, those bloody itembuyers should get hacked, the same is true for people buying gold in WoW.
The only reason this is implemented is for Blizzard to get even richer. Greedy jackasses imo.
Prostitution is legal in Brazil, and they can even register it. The reason is precisely the same as this: it will happen anyway, might as well make it legal.
Marijuana is under discussion of legalization in several countries for the very same reason(think about cigarettes).
On August 08 2011 21:40 Sindriss wrote: I really don't understand how everyone is buying blizzards opinion that item selling will occur anyway, so might as well make it legit and safe for the buyers. What sort of backwater logic is this? You can apply the same logic to drug dealing or prostitution. It will happen anyway, might as well make it legic and safe for the people involved.
With a response like this you make it very hard to believe you have a masters in economics.
On August 08 2011 21:40 Sindriss wrote: I really don't understand how everyone is buying blizzards opinion that item selling will occur anyway, so might as well make it legit and safe for the buyers. What sort of backwater logic is this? You can apply the same logic to drug dealing or prostitution. It will happen anyway, might as well make it legic and safe for the people involved.
Why do you want to make it safe for the people who buy items? I don't care if they get hacked and has to reinstall windows, or they lose the password to their email account. They have no one to blame other than themselves, as they decided to involve themselves in shady business. Its a risk that you will get hacked when you do that. And I think that is good, those bloody itembuyers should get hacked, the same is true for people buying gold in WoW.
The only reason this is implemented is for Blizzard to get even richer. Greedy jackasses imo.
I've read only one article about the auction house and blizzard stated multiple reasons behind their decision to implement it. Not just "becouse it will happen anyways so why not make it easy".
Like it or not virtual item market will be even bigger in future. There is no stopping it. The amount we waste time playing games is the reason for that and there will be even more gamers in future and game companys will slowly start to not reject it.
I get it you think virtual item selling is bad but please don't compare it to prostitution and drug dealing.
On August 08 2011 23:14 Probe1 wrote: Well, that's it. The controversy nershit storm will increase sales. Terrorists win blue team, Terrorists win.
True. The only D3 coverage I've seen on non-Blizzard-dedicated sites was ALL about the RMAH.
You know, I bet they even intentionally upped the saturation on the auction house screenshots to respark the color-controversy. And when you pre-order D3, you get a unicorn mount in WoW.
I wonder if the recent Blizzard's actions of dumbing down their games is some kind of pressure coming from Activision or the reflection of the current gamer mentality.
Oh good times the 90's, back when the games offered a good challenge and intelligent design... Now most of what we have are shinny graphics, newbie-friendly mechanics and microtransactions for more power.
On August 08 2011 23:33 fabiano wrote: I wonder if the recent Blizzard's actions of dumbing down their games is some kind of pressure coming from Activision or the reflection of the current gamer mentality.
One is causing the other. Activision wants to put in as little effort as possible, and thus makes their games stupid simple. Gamers then become used to the stupid simple structure and demand it from all the other games they play.
Things like this happen in every industry when an industry leader makes a decision that pushes the industry a certain way.
On August 09 2011 00:31 Krowser wrote: Games is not out yet, nothing is for sure.
Same thing was said when SC2 was in development, and after release many of the worries came to become true... for Diablo's sake please do not make the history repeat.
First of all, there would be some form of a market that lead to the purchasing of items with real money. However, with Diablo III, Blizzard wants to be able to regulate this market, and RMAH is the result.
I trust Blizzard; I've been playing their games for over ten years, and, overall, I've never been disappointed with the products they've released. I don't understand how people can already be complaining a game that isn't out yet.
On August 09 2011 00:23 Ympulse wrote:
Things like this happen in every industry when an industry leader makes a decision that pushes the industry a certain way.
It's important to keep this in mind. Every industry has trends, ups and downs, etc. We could go on for pages about the current state of the gaming industry as it grows by leaps and bounds, but that isn't really necessary here. However, what is important to realize is that things will change within the video game industry as the market demands it. It doesn't have to be a large portion of the market, in fact, video gaming was largely a niche market for years. There will always be individuals looking to capitalize off of market demand, especially as the industry grows and evolves. As industry leaders push for "dumbing down" the games they release, there are indie gaming companies cropping up looking to cater to the gamers that want more depth and complexity in their games.
It's still gonna be an awesome game with spectacular game play. So many negative nancies in this thread. Just keep in mind who is actually making the game. You know the quality will be top notch. Blizzard is the best. Why are you guys so quick to turn your backs on them when they have provided us so many great games? I have yet to be completely disappointed with a Blizzard product. Sure there are aspects of some things that I don't like, but you can't please everyone and as a whole they just make solid games. Just chillax bros... everything will be just fine.
On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote: am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money? I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character.
Do you care if people bot, maphack, or outright cheat? It doesn't effect you.
Just want to make sure I know where we stand on this one.
It did not affect me in Diablo 2, why would it effect me in Diablo 3? PvP is the only situation this will hurt me and if they want to cheat in PvP more power to the noob. also cheating in diablo 3 will come with possible jail time(IE: botting and selling on the RMAH = fraud)
Seems like you dont really care about much of anything then, I myself can't really play with blinders on.
I honestly don't see why this pisses you off.
The only reason that comes to my mind is you being used to being the elitist 'best of the best' in games like Diablo, and now that someone who has money and a life can be on the same tier as you. However, I am inclined to give people a chance before concluding they are angry tools without lives...
That begs the question, why the hell DOES this bother you so much? Yeah they can buy items, or POWER if you want to phrase it like that, but they cannot buy anything you yourself can't get just by playing the game yourself. hell, you could even sell your own ingame gold for E-money/funds to your credit card and buy everything off the RMAH without spending a cent of your own money in the first place.
... I just want to understand.
Because it makes it okay for people to buy their rewards instead of earning them, cheapening the experience of the game as a whole. That, at its base, is the problem.
I remember the days when someone using cheat codes to get their way through a video game had absolutely no impact on my enjoyment of the game.
At first i really hated the RMAH and was ready to not even try it, lost all excitement for D3. But after several days of thinking i actually like it. Virtual items will be sold for real $$ even tho we like it or not, but at least we can chose if we want to be a part of it or not. And as long all items on the RMAH is items found by players, grinding etc. it's all good IMO. Could have seen the problem if blizzard offered the items for real money tho.
The idea that there is going to be real money trading so blizzard might as well profit off of it is ridiculous. Just because something illegal is going to happen by a minority of the community it should be implemented so they can do it safely?
People are gonna do meth bro, might as well create a market for it so we can profit legally.
On August 07 2011 11:43 VPCursed wrote: am i one of the few people who don't give a flying fuck if people buy items for RL money? I mean, really.. how does it effect my experience unless im some raging dude who thinks his life depends on whether or not hes the first to get the most uber character.
Do you care if people bot, maphack, or outright cheat? It doesn't effect you.
Just want to make sure I know where we stand on this one.
It did not affect me in Diablo 2, why would it effect me in Diablo 3? PvP is the only situation this will hurt me and if they want to cheat in PvP more power to the noob. also cheating in diablo 3 will come with possible jail time(IE: botting and selling on the RMAH = fraud)
Seems like you dont really care about much of anything then, I myself can't really play with blinders on.
I honestly don't see why this pisses you off.
The only reason that comes to my mind is you being used to being the elitist 'best of the best' in games like Diablo, and now that someone who has money and a life can be on the same tier as you. However, I am inclined to give people a chance before concluding they are angry tools without lives...
That begs the question, why the hell DOES this bother you so much? Yeah they can buy items, or POWER if you want to phrase it like that, but they cannot buy anything you yourself can't get just by playing the game yourself. hell, you could even sell your own ingame gold for E-money/funds to your credit card and buy everything off the RMAH without spending a cent of your own money in the first place.
... I just want to understand.
Because it makes it okay for people to buy their rewards instead of earning them, cheapening the experience of the game as a whole. That, at its base, is the problem.
I remember the days when someone using cheat codes to get their way through a video game had absolutely no impact on my enjoyment of the game.
I still do that for GTA3/GTAVC/GTASA when I want to see the story again. I only use health and weapon cheats, and these games are still hard.
Also, why do people care if other people enjoy it or not. The game is about single player or coop(WITH FRIENDS!), not about "whoever gets the best stuff", not about "whoever finishes it first".
I, and many of my friends who will play with me, see this as a method to profit while having fun. Who cares if Blizzard is getting money as well, if I(we) get money, I am(we are) fine, and this just make it possible to do it without the fear of getting banned or something.
Cheating is a problem in competitive games, where being the best actually mean something, not in single player/coop games without ranking systems. And in the end, you can always use the excuse "but you cheated(bought items with money IRL)!" if you are competing with a friend. PvP takes your items into account for mathmaking.
But they do not have to do it in a greedy fashion, like the RMAH and the many expansions for sc2. I doubt they have any lack of funds, but I am in no way surprised to see the opinion that they should maximize profit in every way, since it will clearly give us much better games. That is just naive.
That's kind of ridiculous. Blizzard is a business, they don't be 'less greedy' or 'more greedy' than any other company in the world. They sell a product, and do their best to maximize profits. Hopefully, they are selling a product where maximizing profits and pleasing people come together - this becomes true given the consensual nature of business, ie consumers buying what they want. They don't lack funds only because they make smart business decisions, and thinking that "oh businesses can spare $100" is completely naive.
But there is a difference between running a well functioning company that has solid finances and a well functioning business model, and then attempting to maximize profits, as is happening increasingly in Blizzard, from my point of view of course.
You sure don't sound like an economics major (coming from someone who is as well, actually). And actually, no, there isn't a difference between a well function company and a well functioning business model. A company has a business model, and hopefully that business model maximizes profits by doing something good/ethical/etc. Murder for hire, is a bad business, and does 'bad' things when revenues go up. Charities, have 'good' things happen when revenue goes up.
It seems like a pretty awesome business decision, as well as game design desicion, to take the black markets involved with Diablo and make it so Blizzard profits from it instead. It's much better to have Blizzard profit from selling items, and have that money go into future blizzard games and D3, than the money go to script kiddies. It also helps make sure the in-game economy is balanced.
It also ensures that Blizzard will have a vested interest in making sure duping won't ruin the in-game economy, or else the RMAH will become worthless. In D2, duping never got patched, and ruined the economy of the game. At least with D3, if duping occurs, it will hurt blizzard profits. And while you may think "damn greedy bastards", this makes sure, or gives incentives (im sure you know about game theory and unintended consequences) for Blizzard to make sure the in-game economy is stable.
In fact, the greedier blizzard is (and by the way, a company being less or more greedy is a total oxymoron), the more the players benefit.
It's also good that players benefit from this as well, as it lowers initial costs for players as potential vendors. The RMAH only serves to increase trade, which we all know is a good thing.
People are gonna do meth bro, might as well create a market for it so we can profit legally.
Ignorant comment...
When you legalize something, you take away the black market, but increase usage. In the case of marijuana and prostitution, for example, you take away the crime associated with it, but increase marijuana usage and prostitution. Given how harmless (arguable, of course, but better than gang violence) these are, and that the dangers of marijuana usage/prostitution (STDs, tainted drugs) go away when legalized, it's generally seen as preferable to legalize these markets and deal with the effects of increased usage with revenue from legalization (taxes, less money spent on law enforcement).
In the case of meth, decrease in gang violence and STD transmission with increases in meth usage is not preferable to the current status quo (of gang violence and illegalization). However, we see 'semi-legal' techniques, such as needle exchange programs, does a lot to reduce STDs from spreading but prevents meth usage from going up.
With Diablo 2 e-items, no one is getting addicted and overdosing and going to jail. It's preferable that the money goes to players and back into Diablo 3 game development and to investors in Activision stock, than to hackers, and that more people buy and sell gear that are willing to do so, in a safe environment that benefits all game players as well as the in-game economy, than less people buying and selling gear but doing so under sketchy circumstances.
People will figure out a way to scam the system...they always do. And when they do, everyone will be back on the forums crying about how stupid they were for doing this.
Give it time....
With that said, I don't plan on using the RMAH, although I will probably use the ingame gold version. Therefore this addition does not affect me. The same way that D2 Item Selling sites did not affect me.
I don't measure my e-penis so I don't give a shit if some 12 year old kid uses his moms credit card to buy the best gear for characters. When it comes to PVP, if I lose to said kid, I don't give a shit. If you on the other hand, do give a shit...you need to re-evaluate some major parts of your life.
You guys are raging for no apparent reason. This addition doesn't affect you if you don't want it to affect you. Just play the game and enjoy it. If you want to use the RMAH, go for it, if you don't, don't.
The only legitimate thing I can see people annoyed about, is the fees that blizzard is going to take.
Please keep in mind that a major facet of RMAH is to prevent spambots which have definitely been a major nuisance in d2. If no third party selling sites exist -- no spambots will exist to spam for them! It's a big deal!
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