Diablo III General Discussion - Page 206

On August 08 2011 15:33 Zimbapina wrote:


But if you're a casual player, wouldn't it be more useful to post good drops in the real money AH, since you can do it for free ? You can use the obtained money on other blizzard games which are bound to our bnet account, or withdraw the money.

On August 08 2011 15:14 Zimbapina wrote:


Yes, I know about the item selling websites, that was my point. Instead of fighting the illegal transactions, blizzard is taking " a slice of every piece of cake". They are basically saying, if you can't beat them, join them.

Yes, you get free listings, but to my knowledge they still take a fee from a successful sale, at least that has been stated on various sites reporting about the system. And if they do let you post stuff for free, wouldn't everyone be using it, so you wouldn't have a lot of stuff on the in-game currency AH ? See how it is a win-win situation for them. At the moment it seems like they are making in-game currency totally useless.

Well, I am not Korean, so I am pretty sure I cannot play those games you mentioned, which are using the same kind of transactions. How are they using it in Korea by the way, just out of interest ? I am not trying to flame.

On August 08 2011 15:41 Templar. wrote:

That really just comes down to the user, which is why many pay for world of warcraft.. the enjoyment far succeeds the 15 dollars a month you have to pay... if the casual gamer wants to trade any good item he has for money and deposit it, that's his choice.

On August 08 2011 15:45 iCanada wrote:


I think the point you are missing is that you will be able to convert gold (the ingame currency) into real money, and vice versa. So long as they have enough reasons to make gold worth something it really wont matter whether you're using the RMAH or the GAH (gold auction house) as it is essentially the same.

Think about it: you want to buy an item from the AH without using real money. You however can only find the item you find desirable in the RMAH. Shucks! But wait? You can just sell your gold and have it converted into real money on your Blizzard account. You then can use this money to buy your item... since it is an auction, like every other auction in existence they will only take a cut from a seller.

So yes you have to make a step inbetween, but you literally just spend ingame gold on an item from the RMAH.

It actually excites me to no end that if I get an early start I could end up making all the money I spent on the game back by the end of the day. Just like d2jsp, sell everything early. I once sold a unid Vipers for like 200 fg.

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On August 08 2011 15:46 Zimbapina wrote:
I agree fully. I just don't see a choice in putting the item to sale on a)the normal AH or b) the RMT AH. Since you can do it for free. But of course this should lower the prices, and in turn blizzard's fixed amount fee grows in comparison to the item value. And when prices are low and people do more transactions, its more money for blizzard. Its a cunning system I admit, but maybe not so morally sound.

On August 08 2011 15:50 Zimbapina wrote:


Yes I have not read about being able to convert the gold to real money. Is it a free transaction ? That sounds interesting though, how do they determine the exchange rate ? If I was playing the game, I would definetely get a week off from work and play the game non-stop and reap the benefits of that fresh economy.

On August 08 2011 15:56 Spawkuring wrote:


There's no moral issues behind this. This is nothing more than Blizzard satisfying a market demand. Consumers have repeatedly proven that they will spend real money for virtual items, obviously businesses are going to capitalize on that.

The important thing to remember is that the RMAH is not a cash shop. Anything that is sold must be found in-game first, so it's not like it's going to destroy the economy like a cash shop would. Taking a "shortcut" to get an item is not wrong. In fact, the whole concept of "trading" relies on that idea. When a person goes through the effort of getting a really good item, and someone buys that item (using gold or money), then that person is in essence getting an item they didn't truly find for themselves. If your philosophy is that every player must grind for their items themselves, then technically you should be against trading completely, not just the RMAH.

In all honesty, the RMAH does nothing new that games didn't already have. People were buying virtual items for real money long before this idea came up, and will continue long after. And it's not like everybody is going to be running around in the best gear. You can be assured that the best stuff is going to be really rare and very expensive. All this change really does is give players a secure way to engage in RMT without the fear of getting scammed or losing their information.

On August 08 2011 16:08 Zimbapina wrote:


About the GAH vs RMAH. In game currency is limited by the time you spend in game, while real money is not. For many people who have a day job, the amounts are trivial, and as long as everyone thinks that, there will be a lot of transactions.

On August 08 2011 14:18 cLutZ wrote:
The only thing that concerns me is that Blizzard seems to be working on the small things, while largely ignoring the bigger problems with the game. That is, PvP and PvM balance is so screwed up, and IMO it is fundamentally unsound for this stage of development (I played at an open demonstration a while back, but they haven't announced fundamental changes, which scares me).

In particular, the Monk seems fundamentally unsound. Remember in TBC where Ret was the worst DPS spec in the game but could still randomly kill anyone in 3 seconds from 100%? That is the Monk. It is basically balanced on the edge of a knife, which is not a good way for a class to be balanced.

On August 08 2011 15:58 iCanada wrote:


From what I understand it is just like any other sale. It seems to me like it will stay a very active market because you will always need to repair your kickass gear, and if blizzard is smart good gear will cost more to repair.



But yeah, I plan to sell anything and everything.

"Hmm... Cracked Armor of Fail? selling it."

On August 08 2011 16:12 NotJack wrote:
I don't know if you can sell gold for money, but the point is there are gold sinks in the game that make gold able to do things that money can't, which will make both resources relevant and give them an exchange rate.




The value's won't be trivial, and will become less and less trivial as people realize the demand for in-game items. This is the growth of gaming I was mentioning before.

On August 08 2011 16:28 NeoLearner wrote:

They specifically said that the balance in those open demonstrations was NOT to be seen as indicative of the balance of the final game. For those demo's they made all the characters intentionally overpowered.
Reasoning behind it was something like:
1) Would suck if people had to wait hours to play, just to die after 5 minutes
2) Overpowered characters are good for demo's.

Bashiok said this somewhere after Blizzcon last year if I remember correctly. I'll see if I can find the post

As for PvP: They're not going to balance it.
But I wouldn't take a build from more than a year ago and try to extrapolate balance from it. Makes no sense at all. That's like saying SC2 is unbalanced because roaches used to be 1 supply.



EDIT:

Selling everything on the RMAH seems like a bad plan to actually make money. The first thing they announced were there plans to limit spamming of the auction house by introducing listing fees.

On August 08 2011 16:46 iCanada wrote:


Well ofcourse you wouldn't sell everything on the RMAH... Only the rares/uniques you find.

Decently good stuff is in much higher demand before people have characters able to effectively farm for things.

For example, say I clear all of normal mode and find some items equivalent to that of say... twitchthroe. This will be much much better than the armor of the vast majority of players, and therefore will be in fairly high demand on the auction house. Because of this artifically high demand, chances are it will sell for much higher than it would at any other given time. An example I game earlier, is selling a vipers for more than 200 FG on the first day of a ladder season. Right now a perfect vipers costs you only 2 fg a couple months into the ladder season.

I have used this strategy to effectively gear three or four characters at the beginning of any ladder season via d2jsp. Make sense?

On August 08 2011 16:08 Zimbapina wrote:


That is actually the sad part about it. That blizzard is satisfying a demand. I cannot understand how anyone can get a sense of satisfaction by buying the high end gear for themselves and then just steamrolling through the game with their uber gear. I mean, its still a game and there has to be a sense of achievement, or am I totally off track here ? The mentality seems to be that if I don't get myself the sword of awesomeness soon, then I'll just buy it. I want it, and I want it now.

About the GAH vs RMAH. In game currency is limited by the time you spend in game, while real money is not. For many people who have a day job, the amounts are trivial, and as long as everyone thinks that, there will be a lot of transactions. I don't really trade that much, but of course I am not totally against it. It is indeed a thin line of not trading at all, and just buying everything set of gear from the AH/vendor, and just using your time to play the game through. But as I said, the sense of achievement is the thing that suffers.

On August 08 2011 17:02 Nazarid wrote:


meh your sense of achievement has absolutely no baring on what some one does with their hard earned cash...why do you care? let people spend their money and buy my items i list. Be thankful that "Time is Money" and blizzard gave you a way to buy all their future games for playing one of their games.. man it must be so saddening that you could literally spend 0 dollars on this Auction system but yet make money to buy food, video games, pay rent... the list goes on. And if you think that you wont make enough to pay rent well thats probably right but what is an extra 40 bucks a month that you earn thru this system just by having fun and enjoying a video game.. man did i just smash your nerd brain all over the place?

On August 08 2011 17:08 Serpico wrote:

Are you done? You can use the "well just ignore it" argument for almost any topic, but it never gets better. Undermining content in a way the developers themselves promote is never a good thing especially when you're injecting real money into it. When you join a party with people that have the best gear in the first week and you're just using what has dropped and naturally progressing, it disrupts the flow of your gameplay because it removes all challenge. You can't really avoid playing with those people if you ever want to group. So then you have the extreme option of never grouping or just hoping you can get into a group that isnt over geared for the content tremendously. I'd be perfectly fine for cosmetic items only, but this is more than cosmetic.

On August 08 2011 17:08 Serpico wrote:


Are you done? You can use the "well just ignore it" argument for almost any topic, but it never gets better. Undermining content in a way the developers themselves promote is never a good thing especially when you're injecting real money into it. When you join a party with people that have the best gear in the first week and you're just using what has dropped and naturally progressing, it disrupts the flow of your gameplay because it removes all challenge. You can't really avoid playing with those people if you ever want to group. So then you have the extreme option of never grouping or just hoping you can get into a group that isnt over geared for the content tremendously. I'd be perfectly fine for cosmetic items only, but this is more than cosmetic.

On August 08 2011 17:31 Diks wrote:


Personally, I would never complain that my allies have super gears. I could exp faster and safer, + because they already have crazy items I might be ale to loot a lot more than with other guys badly needing stuff. You have to explain me why this is discouraging to you ? And if you like playing hard modes with no help, you'll obviously play hardcore where there is no real money involved. I think you guys like to invent yourself some problems where there aren't.

On August 08 2011 18:13 Danjoh wrote:

Take world of warcraft as a example... what is more fun?

Entering a new dungeon for the first time with gear and level that is below the intended level, and struggling for 1-2 hours finally beating the dungeon and probably some great loot.
or
Having your epic geared friend boost you through the instance 3 times in 30 minutes, killing the bosses before they barely have time to fight back, and then giving you all the loot?

I personally hated getting boosted, but when leveling up your 2 alt, there just wasn't any other option in some cases because EVERYONE was fully epic raid geared,

On August 08 2011 18:12 Nazarid wrote:


So I am not going to ignore it , but seriously you are not going to stop people from buying diablo 3 items for real money either way... There will always be a want for them some people do not have 80 hours a week to play a video game also most the time players in diablo 2 NEVER even see the items they need for their hero... It wont be removing any such challenge for me or any one for that matter... There will always be people who have these awesome items and those without... the ones without will cry and whine because they don't want to spend real money for the awesome items... also Trading in Diablo 2 happened without the RMAH it was called a 3rd party web page where u were pretty much gambling away items in hopes you did not get screwed over... Cosmetic items never existed in the world of Diablo, nor should they. This game is about items and your own fun, also i honestly think that are raging because you may not get the Best of the best without trading peer to peer or thru a forum..

Even without d2jsp and other web pages like it, You had to trade your items by spaming game names like "Trading SOJ's for zek rune" or goto a forum and post up Looking for so n so item I have this to trade... it was a pain in the ass.. and if you say you had the better top end gear without using the forums or mass spaming games with trading names then well i call you a lier flat out and you know it to be true. Blizzard simply made it a viable way to trade items without having to visit a forum post every ten minutes or going to a 3rd party sight to get screwed over(lose your items or cash) no ammount of complaining from you or others with your veiw that it ruins the game is going to change that fact... If blizzard chose not to place this in the game, then they would be unable to support Diablo 3 for longer than Diablo 2... We all know D2 lost support from them when they let a ladder sit for 2 1/2 years... obviously they did not care about it at that point the terrible Bnet allowed for mass hacks(bots that farmed everything, Map hacks, and flat out insta gib pvp hacks all on closed Bnet and still does)

Any ways stop ruining your own experience and just don't buy the game, If you are going to buy the game TAKE ADVANTAGE of this system. Yourself and others with the same opinion are not getting anywhere with people who actually thought this thru....O btw i thought it was a shit system for the first couple days till i actually thought about it. I used to sell items on d2jsp and other web pages also spamed the hell out of forums to trade for the things i needed, o and not only that i made thousands of dollars PLAYING A VIDEO GAME ON MY FREE TIME(hard concept to understand right?)