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Xplitcit
United States419 Posts
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
On August 08 2011 13:22 NoobSkills wrote: Just like D2 LOD ladder season now. Like always. Now, the issue is what is the endgame plan for D3? A WoW setting where they keep adding 10 levels skills and stuff to do? Or will even the most godly if items be worth 10 cents 2 months in because ladder never resets and never will and there is an abundance of everything because anyone can trade with everyone. I'm hoping they do something more than just add new acts too. Without knowing how hard Inferno will be, it'd be really cool if they make Hell Unleashed difficulty challenges. | ||
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
On August 08 2011 13:20 Dapper_Cad wrote: Holding a political position and being unable to read or comprehend arguments do not go well together. I don't see any point in rebuting anything except your first assumption. "This is why people who didn't play D2 shouldn't be posting/nerd raging.". pretty much the first game I played online was diablo 1. The famous "It's ready when it's ready" line of blizzards started being used when they were making diablo 2. I remember because I waited through the 18 months between the first realease date given and when the game actually went gold. I remember corpse explosion being broken and hammerdins.... etc. etc. credentials, credentials.... yawn. That's not even rebutting my first point, which was saying if they got rid of trading (which is ridiculous and they said they aren't anyways) people could just drop stuff on the ground, and people wouldn't trade via AH for 1g because it would be so prevalent people would get stuff stolen. I believe you when you say you've played Diablo, but the points you made previously aren't conducive to that type of person. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
In particular, the Monk seems fundamentally unsound. Remember in TBC where Ret was the worst DPS spec in the game but could still randomly kill anyone in 3 seconds from 100%? That is the Monk. It is basically balanced on the edge of a knife, which is not a good way for a class to be balanced. | ||
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Zimbapina
Finland15 Posts
I know I can play the game without using the real money AH, but that is not the point. I just cannot support a company who takes the piss out of its fans and instead of fighting RMT item selling, supports it shamelessly. | ||
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Templar.
Canada133 Posts
On August 08 2011 14:55 Zimbapina wrote: I for one will not be buying diablo III because of the auction house. I am sorry if it has been mentioned before, but my beef with blizzard is with the way they conduct business. There strategy is becoming ever so aggressive, and the only reason they are getting away with it is because they are BLIZZARD. Having a cash shop in a game with a subscription was a slap in the face already (WoW), but now people can pay blizzard money to become their own little sweatshop employees. Great, just great. I know I can play the game without using the real money AH, but that is not the point. I just cannot support a company who takes the piss out of its fans and instead of fighting RMT item selling, supports it shamelessly. You do realize that there is countless diablo 2, as well as other gaming websites dedicated to the exact thing blizzard is going to be doing in diablo iii? You don't have to pay to use the AH, they've said you get free weekly listings.. as well as there is a in-game gold AH too. Considering that items being bought for money, or site currencies which cost money are so prevalent in Diablo II Blizzard's actually offering a easier, safe method of trading in which you won't get scammed or jipped off like so many do on other forum trading sites. edit: Oh, and there are countless Korean MMO's that have already implemented this system.. so no, it's not they can get away with it because "they are blizzard" | ||
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
On August 08 2011 14:55 Zimbapina wrote: I for one will not be buying diablo III because of the auction house. I am sorry if it has been mentioned before, but my beef with blizzard is with the way they conduct business. There strategy is becoming ever so aggressive, and the only reason they are getting away with it is because they are BLIZZARD. Having a cash shop in a game with a subscription was a slap in the face already (WoW), but now people can pay blizzard money to become their own little sweatshop employees. Great, just great. I know I can play the game without using the real money AH, but that is not the point. I just cannot support a company who takes the piss out of its fans and instead of fighting RMT item selling, supports it shamelessly. Sorry that you can't look past that one thing dude, sucks you're going to miss an awesome game. Glad to see you made an account though =D | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 08 2011 15:05 Templar. wrote: You do realize that there is countless diablo 2, as well as other gaming websites dedicated to the exact thing blizzard is going to be doing in diablo iii? You don't have to pay to use the AH, they've said you get free weekly listings.. as well as there is a in-game gold AH too. Considering that items being bought for money, or site currencies which cost money are so prevalent in Diablo II Blizzard's actually offering a easier, safe method of trading in which you won't get scammed or jipped off like so many do on other forum trading sites. Eh... I don't think people get scammed that often on d2jsp in the least. I only recall being scammed once, and the guy was banned like a week later. Afterwards they split all his FG between me and another who he scammed. But several of those item selling ones could be sketchy. | ||
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
On August 08 2011 15:07 iCanada wrote: Eh... I don't think people get scammed that often on d2jsp in the least. I only recall being scammed once, and the guy was banned like a week later. Afterwards they split all his FG between me and another who he scammed. But several of those item selling ones could be sketchy. Pretty tough to argue that a third party handling RMT can be better than Blizzard... | ||
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Templar.
Canada133 Posts
On August 08 2011 15:07 iCanada wrote: Eh... I don't think people get scammed that often on d2jsp in the least. I only recall being scammed once, and the guy was banned like a week later. Afterwards they split all his FG between me and another who he scammed. But several of those item selling ones could be sketchy. Well, not to be ignorant but D2jsp's mod's are to be truthful.. useless. There are TONS of scammers that have 5+ topics of them with decent evidence and yet they seem to do nothing, specifically when the accused user is a donor. Also, even when banned you can simply make another account from a different ip and continue to scam(even on the same i.p address as you're banned account) | ||
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Zimbapina
Finland15 Posts
On August 08 2011 15:05 Templar. wrote: You do realize that there is countless diablo 2, as well as other gaming websites dedicated to the exact thing blizzard is going to be doing in diablo iii? You don't have to pay to use the AH, they've said you get free weekly listings.. as well as there is a in-game gold AH too. Considering that items being bought for money, or site currencies which cost money are so prevalent in Diablo II Blizzard's actually offering a easier, safe method of trading in which you won't get scammed or jipped off like so many do on other forum trading sites. edit: Oh, and there are countless Korean MMO's that have already implemented this system.. so no, it's not they can get away with it because "they are blizzard" Yes, I know about the item selling websites, that was my point. Instead of fighting the illegal transactions, blizzard is taking " a slice of every piece of cake". They are basically saying, if you can't beat them, join them. Yes, you get free listings, but to my knowledge they still take a fee from a successful sale, at least that has been stated on various sites reporting about the system. And if they do let you post stuff for free, wouldn't everyone be using it, so you wouldn't have a lot of stuff on the in-game currency AH ? See how it is a win-win situation for them. At the moment it seems like they are making in-game currency totally useless. Well, I am not Korean, so I am pretty sure I cannot play those games you mentioned, which are using the same kind of transactions. How are they using it in Korea by the way, just out of interest ? I am not trying to flame. | ||
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Zimbapina
Finland15 Posts
On August 08 2011 15:05 NotJack wrote: Sorry that you can't look past that one thing dude, sucks you're going to miss an awesome game. Glad to see you made an account though =D Yeah, I just wanted to contribute to the conversation.  I will actually buy torchlight 2, which is basically made by the same people as diablo 1 and 2. :D | ||
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Dox
Australia1199 Posts
On August 08 2011 15:14 Zimbapina wrote: Yes, I know about the item selling websites, that was my point. Instead of fighting the illegal transactions, blizzard is taking " a slice of every piece of cake". They are basically saying, if you can't beat them, join them. Yes, you get free listings, but to my knowledge they still take a fee from a successful sale, at least that has been stated on various sites reporting about the system. And if they do let you post stuff for free, wouldn't everyone be using it, so you wouldn't have a lot of stuff on the in-game currency AH ? See how it is a win-win situation for them. At the moment it seems like they are making in-game currency totally useless. Well, I am not Korean, so I am pretty sure I cannot play those games you mentioned, which are using the same kind of transactions. How are they using it in Korea by the way, just out of interest ? I am not trying to flame. So essentially what you're saying is: Because Blizzard is protecting their customers, you refuse to be a Blizzard customer anymore. Herp to the derp bro. | ||
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Templar.
Canada133 Posts
On August 08 2011 15:14 Zimbapina wrote: Yes, I know about the item selling websites, that was my point. Instead of fighting the illegal transactions, blizzard is taking " a slice of every piece of cake". They are basically saying, if you can't beat them, join them. Yes, you get free listings, but to my knowledge they still take a fee from a successful sale, at least that has been stated on various sites reporting about the system. And if they do let you post stuff for free, wouldn't everyone be using it, so you wouldn't have a lot of stuff on the in-game currency AH ? See how it is a win-win situation for them. At the moment it seems like they are making in-game currency totally useless. Well, I am not Korean, so I am pretty sure I cannot play those games you mentioned, which are using the same kind of transactions. How are they using it in Korea by the way, just out of interest ? I am not trying to flame. I just don't see why people are so upset about this, in Diablo 2 the average gamer wouldn't have high end gear.. unless he used other sources to obtain them(money,forum,etc..) there should still be a large enough casual gamer base in diablo 3 to have a in-game gold auction house that will be able to supply the casual gamer with his needs if he does not wish to purchase items with real money(and seeing as how so many are complaining about the real money ah, i don't see why that isnt a very reasonable assumption). Whilst the most competitive gamers played enough to be able to acquire high-end items,(and i'm talking about like .08,.09 rares... not uniques and unperm scs/gcs.) or would of course spend money on the sites that are so prevalent now, yes blizzard may be taking a small slice of that "cake" but, if they did not any other of the multiple websites would do the exact same thing, with might i add much more chance of being scammed etc. | ||
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Zimbapina
Finland15 Posts
http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/08/02/blizzard-on-diablo-3-gold-farmers-and-players-really-doing-the-same-activity/ I don't know even what to think about these kind of statements. I mean yes, both are playing the game, but for totally different reasons. The other one is making a living, while the other one is playing it for fun. Won't the farmers know have legal means of selling the farmed items ? Or, depending on blizzards cut, illegal sites will still run rampant. | ||
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
On August 08 2011 15:17 Zimbapina wrote: Yeah, I just wanted to contribute to the conversation. I will actually buy torchlight 2, which is basically made by the same people as diablo 1 and 2. :D I know a few people who are like that, I'm definitely getting both although I might get Torchlight on the console to nerd it up with rl friends. | ||
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Templar.
Canada133 Posts
On August 08 2011 15:25 Zimbapina wrote: Executive producer Rob Pardo replied: “Theoretically that’s true, but I mean there’s really nothing… what’s the difference between a player that plays the game a lot and a gold farmer? I mean they’re really doing the same activity.” http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/08/02/blizzard-on-diablo-3-gold-farmers-and-players-really-doing-the-same-activity/ I don't know even what to think about these kind of statements. I mean yes, both are playing the game, but for totally different reasons. The other one is making a living, while the other one is playing it for fun. Won't the farmers know have legal means of selling the farmed items ? Or, depending on blizzards cut, illegal sites will still run rampant. If blizzard's "cut" was high, than no one besides gold farmers and highly competitive pvp players would bother to even use it, virtually making it useless and having low profits. They also said in a interview that the fee would be the same no matter what the worth of the item you are selling.. so it must be a low amount. | ||
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Zimbapina
Finland15 Posts
On August 08 2011 15:23 Dox wrote: So essentially what you're saying is: Because Blizzard is protecting their customers, you refuse to be a Blizzard customer anymore. Herp to the derp bro. Protecting their customers from what ? From their money ? I understand this site maybe a bad place to try and have a decent discussion where people have well supported arguments, but can you elaborate ? And also, won't people now have money on their accounts if they get hacked ? That's something to be worried about too, because of blizzards popularity it attracts a lot of hackers, now even more so. | ||
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Zimbapina
Finland15 Posts
On August 08 2011 15:25 Templar. wrote: I just don't see why people are so upset about this, in Diablo 2 the average gamer wouldn't have high end gear.. unless he used other sources to obtain them(money,forum,etc..) there should still be a large enough casual gamer base in diablo 3 to have a in-game gold auction house that will be able to supply the casual gamer with his needs if he does not wish to purchase items with real money(and seeing as how so many are complaining about the real money ah, i don't see why that isnt a very reasonable assumption). Whilst the most competitive gamers played enough to be able to acquire high-end items,(and i'm talking about like .08,.09 rares... not uniques and unperm scs/gcs.) or would of course spend money on the sites that are so prevalent now, yes blizzard may be taking a small slice of that "cake" but, if they did not any other of the multiple websites would do the exact same thing, with might i add much more chance of being scammed etc. But if you're a casual player, wouldn't it be more useful to post good drops in the real money AH, since you can do it for free ? You can use the obtained money on other blizzard games which are bound to our bnet account, or withdraw the money. | ||
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Zimbapina
Finland15 Posts
On August 08 2011 15:28 Templar. wrote: If blizzard's "cut" was high, than no one besides gold farmers and highly competitive pvp players would bother to even use it, virtually making it useless and having low profits. They also said in a interview that the fee would be the same no matter what the worth of the item you are selling.. so it must be a low amount. Yes, I read this too. And it would make sense to keep the slice small, so that there would be no use in using third party sites. | ||
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