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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-27 03:33:49
October 27 2014 03:31 GMT
#181
Huh, looking at the reply I actually repeat most of your points (I must have missed them since I was exclusively thinking about right-bottom stones during initial reading) but fortunately my question still stands because of color misunderstanding. I wish I was as good as black on fuseki
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3502 Posts
October 27 2014 05:06 GMT
#182
T_T I haven't won a game yet.
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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
October 27 2014 10:28 GMT
#183
@hesmyrr G3 is reasonable here. I feel like you are overstrategizing 9x9 a bit. Honestly, 9x9 is just a tactical battle, where for most moves there is no strategic guideline, that tells you if they are good or bad, but simple pure tactical reading decides, whether those moves work or don't. In this situation White has to do something like that, G3 would be among my first ideas as well, and I don't see a super simple refutation, so it is a fine choice.

Talking about perfect play... Uh well, I don't know perfect play, and honestly, this situation is quite difficult with lots of possibilities. By my own judgement White won't die unconditionally and easy. But wouldn't dare to say, who wins here.
And yes, by E4 cutting I of course meant E2-D2-E4.

And about move5-16 and general strategy. When you played move 4 you basically decided to play that kind of game. If you would hve wanted to prevent that, you could have D6 instead of C6, mirroring Black, but I'm no expert on 9x9 openings to tell you how this would turn out in first move advantage vs komi value. After that your sequence seems pretty straight forward. Also as we could see in the game... The wall is in fact working, even with an additional move at H3 there are problems for him, that are not easily solved. (I'm against using the argument of "but it worked" because that is often only due to opponents making shitmoves... but here the situation later is so difficult and G3, that it obviously still everyones game, even with better play) Even though Black playing H3 at G4 would have been much better for him.
About move 18... Difficult. You really want to play where you played... but G4 can probably win for Black. but not playing there also hurts a lot...You could now either backtrack to move 4 and call it bad... Or just try what happens with stuff like attaching to F4 from either side, which again is a lot to read and fight and difficult to predict:D
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 27 2014 10:34 GMT
#184
On October 27 2014 14:06 Kau wrote:
T_T I haven't won a game yet.


Patience and post your games here (:
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Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
October 27 2014 11:35 GMT
#185
On October 27 2014 19:28 mahrgell wrote:
@hesmyrr G3 is reasonable here. I feel like you are overstrategizing 9x9 a bit. Honestly, 9x9 is just a tactical battle, where for most moves there is no strategic guideline, that tells you if they are good or bad, but simple pure tactical reading decides, whether those moves work or don't. In this situation White has to do something like that, G3 would be among my first ideas as well, and I don't see a super simple refutation, so it is a fine choice.

Talking about perfect play... Uh well, I don't know perfect play, and honestly, this situation is quite difficult with lots of possibilities. By my own judgement White won't die unconditionally and easy. But wouldn't dare to say, who wins here.
And yes, by E4 cutting I of course meant E2-D2-E4.

And about move5-16 and general strategy. When you played move 4 you basically decided to play that kind of game. If you would hve wanted to prevent that, you could have D6 instead of C6, mirroring Black, but I'm no expert on 9x9 openings to tell you how this would turn out in first move advantage vs komi value. After that your sequence seems pretty straight forward. Also as we could see in the game... The wall is in fact working, even with an additional move at H3 there are problems for him, that are not easily solved. (I'm against using the argument of "but it worked" because that is often only due to opponents making shitmoves... but here the situation later is so difficult and G3, that it obviously still everyones game, even with better play) Even though Black playing H3 at G4 would have been much better for him.
About move 18... Difficult. You really want to play where you played... but G4 can probably win for Black. but not playing there also hurts a lot...You could now either backtrack to move 4 and call it bad... Or just try what happens with stuff like attaching to F4 from either side, which again is a lot to read and fight and difficult to predict:D

Locally probably g1 is the losing move. First it's damezumari (meaning your play removes a liberty to your group), never a good idea. Second extending to d2 looks like winning the fight, but I'm too lazy to read all variations here
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-27 11:38:44
October 27 2014 11:38 GMT
#186
Wanted to try and learn a bit of Go. The very easy computer is really awful on that online-go website. It let me capture 24 stones with one move. I'm excited to get destroyed easily by my first real opponent though, it's such a great game
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Hagen0
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany765 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-27 18:20:22
October 27 2014 18:13 GMT
#187
On October 27 2014 12:21 Hesmyrr wrote:
One thing I also wanted to ask about is my strategy. I am pretty sure I lost after move 5 to 16. Two black stones are way too close for me to successfully utilize my wall. If black decided to make me leave small on the corner... for example, play E4 as move 33 instead of J2, I think my center group outright dies (never mind the need to save the corner in gote) which means my G3 invasion wasn't good idea to begin with regardless of life-or-death? What should I have played as move 18 to better myself, or was my response to black E7 wrong from the very start?

You are indeed correct. After move 17 and especially move 19 at H3 the game is essentially over. Your invasion at G3 doesn't work and and it could be difficult to even live with your middle group. For reference black can answer G3 with F3.

I'm not sure where the problem lies with your opening. It's possible that c6 was already an overplay. More likely though your handling of the invasion was not correct. E7 E6 D7 D6 is beyond reproach but after C7 it is better to play F7. blacks corner is not alive yet. He has to add an extra move which allows you attack the lower side. It will likely come down to an all or nothing fight.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-29 14:39:12
October 29 2014 14:38 GMT
#188
https://online-go.com/game/1031792 -- Had a very successful game today. He played a very aggressive opener and I managed to curb his start pretty hard. I almost lost as we moved up North but I ultimately succeeded by his own mistakes and my own luck.

[image loading]
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nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany986 Posts
October 29 2014 16:28 GMT
#189
I reviewed that game for you https://online-go.com/review/36968
Feel free to ask if anything is unclear.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 29 2014 16:44 GMT
#190
On October 30 2014 01:28 nimbim wrote:
I reviewed that game for you https://online-go.com/review/36968
Feel free to ask if anything is unclear.


Move 60: That False Eye really had me scared, I think he and I both thought that was two eyes!

Move 65: A1 -- I thought two eyes had to be connected directly together?

Move 71: E9 - I definitely felt I was in a similar situation where I could make one false move and lose that massive capture

Move 64: H1 - I felt that entire string of play would be something someone much more confident could do. It's smart move, but way beyond my ability to foresee how it'd turn into my favour, no?

I understand the overall lesson. I was surprised how quickly the initial skirmish spiraled.

Thank you.
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nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany986 Posts
October 29 2014 17:16 GMT
#191
On October 30 2014 01:44 Torte de Lini wrote:
Move 65: A1 -- I thought two eyes had to be connected directly together?

That string of black stones is connected. You can have 1 eye in the upper left corner and 1 in the bottom right, as long as they belong to the same group.

Move 64: H1 - I felt that entire string of play would be something someone much more confident could do. It's smart move, but way beyond my ability to foresee how it'd turn into my favour, no?

Right now you probably can't read these moves in a game, but it is a very common shape. You will see it very often in your games and eventually know what you can do.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 29 2014 17:59 GMT
#192
How do you go up in rank in Online-Go?
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KillerDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States498 Posts
October 29 2014 20:49 GMT
#193
By winning rated games.

They use an Elo like system. Every 100 points is 1 rank. You're at 11 now = 21k, if you get to 100 you'll be 20k. If you go negative you'll be 22k.

MarineKingPrime Forever!
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 29 2014 21:15 GMT
#194
My winrate is already pretty awful ): It's sometimes difficult to know if you're improving if you're opponents range from 15kyu to 24kyu
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
October 29 2014 21:17 GMT
#195
I try to play against player 1~2k better than me frequently
You can also see progress of your rank on the profile page, I think. Seems like it's the blue bar thing.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-29 21:48:25
October 29 2014 21:39 GMT
#196
https://online-go.com/game/1033281 -- how did he win at the bottom-left? I felt it was a "whoever sticks their stone to surround, captures. but I learned that it didn't matter in the end, yet, I still lost. I'm so confused.

So frustrating, I thought I won but I didn't close it when I could have.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
KillerDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States498 Posts
October 29 2014 21:56 GMT
#197
Move 33 should be at c1, d1, or e1 to reduce his liberties. Your move did not increase the number of liberties you have.
MarineKingPrime Forever!
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 29 2014 22:04 GMT
#198
ugh that suckssssssss I thought I had it
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-29 23:03:06
October 29 2014 23:00 GMT
#199
My first instinct is D2 over A3 but I am not sure if I am being too defensive.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
thesideshow
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
930 Posts
October 30 2014 00:05 GMT
#200
My latest game (I'm white).

http://online-go.com/game/1033711

Been doing a small amount of tsumego daily, about 10 problems a day. Seems to have helped my fighting a lot.
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