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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 13 2010 11:02 GMT
#17741
On September 13 2010 20:01 HeavOnEarth wrote:
chat died when utah logged in? trololol


T_T

This game was like

OOP UTA'S TRYING TO PLAY
NEED TO TURN OFF CHAT
TO MAKE HIM GET BACK TO WORK

sigh.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
September 13 2010 11:03 GMT
#17742
just go solo q
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 11:11:50
September 13 2010 11:07 GMT
#17743
I hate infinity edge and it hates me. That 20% crit feels like a 2% to me.

But putting that aside, there`s no arguing that infinity edge is a good item for ranged carry. Having a single shot hit particularly hard is very valuable as it`s more OOMPH when it hits and harder to react to, so it`s not always just about the damage-per-second.

If both teams are poking at each other, infinity edge becomes particularly valuable because you only get 1 attack in maybe 10 seconds.

If you want to talk about reliable DPS, infinity edge definitely creates a huge gap between lowest and highest potential damage within x amount of hits. Someone like tristana can make good use of the high potential damage output because she can venture 3 or 4 hits with her god-range and if she gets unlucky with the dice, she just bails. If she gets lucky, commit and finish them off.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 11:11:07
September 13 2010 11:09 GMT
#17744
Can't be arsed, going back to work.

By the way, for the above conversation, IE + LW is the strongest DPS setup in the game, bar none. Brutalizer is far from standard on DPS carries, in fact it's only relatively common on Ashe, mainly for laning purposes and for Volley. BR is the strongest single-item DPS item in the game, as it's the only damage item that gives you significant attack speed. AS vs Crit vs APen depends on the hero being played. Ezreal runs APen for instance because it's more important to make every Q hit harder. Kog runs AS because abusing double BR on AS is chic. Twitch depends on favored build - IE Twitch runs Crit% because you get enough AS from W and R, although azn's BR Twitch favors AS for obvious reasons.

Edit:
lol it's back.
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 13 2010 11:16 GMT
#17745
Okay Okay.....

Cost efficiency aside, the reason why some champions get Bloodthirsters and Infinity edge instead of atma's impaler is because of the following:
1) the raw damage is higher them usually and synergizes better with killing people faster
2) the champions that want IE are usually so squishy that if they get attacked at all they're probably dead anyway with or without the armor from atma's.
3) IE is the single highest dps item you can get in a single item slot. As a result an endgame ranged physical carry will look to get that because it won't be replaced.

About unique passives:
They ALWAYS stack (to the best of my knowledge) UNLESS they are sheen/trinity/lichbane or Tear's of the Godess's maximum mana pool passive OR are from the EXACT SAME ITEM.

Example:
All unique passive mp5 items (soul shroud, mana manipulator, etc) will stack if you have 1 of each.
All items with unique passives that reduce cooldowns (frozen heart, brutalizer, yomumu's, deathfire grasp, etc) will stack even if the numbers are the same.
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Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
September 13 2010 11:31 GMT
#17746
As an addendum to the unique-passive thing: The 'aura' items stack to a limited extent. If you have an Aegis of the Legion and someone else on your team does, the two of you will both have two stacks of Aegis' passive, but the rest of your team will only have one. Stark's Fervor's enemy portion, Abyssal Scepter and Frozen heart do NOT stack.

re: BT/Atma's - I just think it's a solid alternative choice to a second/third bloodthirster if you're building a Banshee's Veil, even on squishy characters.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
September 13 2010 11:40 GMT
#17747
On September 13 2010 20:02 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2010 20:01 HeavOnEarth wrote:
chat died when utah logged in? trololol


T_T

This game was like

OOP UTA'S TRYING TO PLAY
NEED TO TURN OFF CHAT
TO MAKE HIM GET BACK TO WORK

sigh.


Nah. MASS DODGING OCCURRED.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 12:21:42
September 13 2010 12:11 GMT
#17748
On September 13 2010 10:39 Pikachusc2 wrote:
I was wondering if anyone here would like to teach me and my friend more about the game, like when to kill bosses, when to yattayatta yatta!. because im level 5 hes like 7 or something hes been winning more then me. but im hoping maybe someone would want to come skype with us who can explain the game a little more indepth if thats a problem im sorry for bringing it up. but it would be awesome!

I'd be glad to help. I talk to much as it is!


Also, as you're playing the game have a notepad in front of you to write down questions. Then bring the whole lot into this thread for answers :D
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 13 2010 12:12 GMT
#17749
Trying to gank a lane with Alistar is a lesson in wanting to kill yourself, sigh.
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ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
September 13 2010 12:17 GMT
#17750
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 13 2010 12:32 GMT
#17751
On September 13 2010 21:12 Southlight wrote:
Trying to gank a lane with Alistar is a lesson in wanting to kill yourself, sigh.


alistar AND sion.

Imagine what I was feeling trying to lane against them. I think i had like 18 cs by level 7
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 13 2010 12:37 GMT
#17752
On September 13 2010 20:16 Phrost wrote:
3) IE is the single highest dps item you can get in a single item slot.


this is exactly what my friend said and my math says that this isn't true, *especially* when you factor that IE is 2k gold more than atma's and manamune (meaning you could buy another BF sword on top of those for the same cost, which is irrelevant in considering which has higher single-slot dps, but entirely relevant in a real game), and 500 more than Bloodrazors, which give other benefits

again, not saying IE's a bad item, but his argument was that 4IE was the most powerful build because 80% critical chance -_-

i had to explain to him that diversifying his items would be much more effective (AS anyone?) and that if you include efficiency, there's no way that 4IE has the most damage output per unit gold, so it can't be the "best" because expecting to farm 16k gold in a game is dumb and not worth theorycrafting
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
September 13 2010 12:43 GMT
#17753
Wow this is embarrasing. Cant remember my Bnet pwd. I didnt create an account using real name. Cant get it reset lol.

Guess i'll be playing Lol tonight haha
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Jazriel
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada404 Posts
September 13 2010 12:43 GMT
#17754
While we're on the topic of mathcrafting (making words is fun). Which item has the best AS efficiency? Which AS item gives the best +dmg?
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 13 2010 12:47 GMT
#17755
On September 13 2010 20:09 Southlight wrote:
By the way, for the above conversation, IE + LW is the strongest DPS setup in the game, bar none.


lvl 18 Tristana. Enemy with 80 Armor after masteries/runes, 100 MRes.

IE + LW for 6045 gold.
189 AD, 1.48 attacks per second without Rapid Fire, 32 APen, 20% crit for 250% damage.
Normal attack deals 128 damage.
1.48 * (0.8 * 128 + 0.2 * 2.5 * 128) = 246 DPS

GB/B + SotD for 6194 gold.
154 AD, 1.58 attacks per second without Rapid Fire, 35 APen, 12.5 bonus magic damage per attack after MRes, 15% crit for 200% damage.
Normal attack deals 106 damage.
1.58 * (12.5 + 0.85 * 106 + 0.15 * 2 * 106) = 212 DPS

With SotD active:
Normal attack deals 134 damage.
1.58 * (12.5 + 0.85 * 134 + 0.15 * 2 * 134) = 263 DPS

Obviously even more with GB active, and we still have 25% CDR as a freebie. Needs 1 more slot though.


Sure against enemies with lots of Armor and HP, IE + LW most likely is the best physical damage combination. But against those BR + anything with ASpd probably is much stronger.
Against champs that can be killed fairly quickly - within 8 seconds ideally - there are higher DPS setups possible.
I probably would rather pick Starks than SotD unless my enemies stack dodge, but that's more expensive. Maybe there is a much better combination, Wit's End comes to my mind, at least against Mana users. GB/B/LW should actually be pretty close to IE/LW too.

IE + LW is a consistent and reliable setup that is strong against pretty much everyone, but I wouldn't say it's always the best setup.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 13 2010 12:51 GMT
#17756
Except that SotD runs out after like 5 seconds so you're staring at something that's significantly worse in mid-late game fights. It's like saying DFG is the best DPS item cuz you do like 500 DPS with it.
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Darkchylde
Profile Joined January 2010
United States473 Posts
September 13 2010 13:05 GMT
#17757
On September 13 2010 21:43 Jazriel wrote:
While we're on the topic of mathcrafting (making words is fun). Which item has the best AS efficiency? Which AS item gives the best +dmg?


As noted before, I think AS is more of synergy based on character abilities than mathcrafting. Guinsoo's RB works on chars like Kayle, Nidalee, Jax. Bloodrazor on Shaco, Kog, WW. Hotshot uses SotD on Xin (I don't play Xin, why that item choice?). Or AS based on what you are up against like Last Whisper for people stacking armor or maybe even Wit's for mage-centric teams.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
September 13 2010 13:06 GMT
#17758
On September 13 2010 21:12 Southlight wrote:
Trying to gank a lane with Alistar is a lesson in wanting to kill yourself, sigh.


Even Flash doesn't do the trick?
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 13 2010 13:07 GMT
#17759
He punted me away every time I walked into the lane. After two attempts I gave up for the rest of the game.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 13:14:06
September 13 2010 13:11 GMT
#17760
On September 13 2010 21:51 Southlight wrote:
Except that SotD runs out after like 5 seconds so you're staring at something that's significantly worse in mid-late game fights. It's like saying DFG is the best DPS item cuz you do like 500 DPS with it.

You would have to divide by 0 to calculate DFG's DPS. Don't try that.
8 Seconds on SotD, 12 attacks without Rapid Fire. That's often enough to kill someone who is not a tank. And against tanks we're competing with BR again. Especially since everyone loves stacking SFCs. For longer fights, I would want something like Starks or Malady, for the life steal.
This is all very situational and character dependent. I'm basically just saying that there are situations where IE + LW does not produce the highest DPS.
Without any Armor items, a squishy has way less Armor than in my example (Tristana has 69 @ lvl 18, and then runes and masteries are applied), which would further boost the stats of GB/B/X.

And honestly, I only got SotD once so far. I mostly used it in my above example to keep the gold cost similar. Oh and again, I wouldn't even go for GB/B on Tristana anyways, simply because IE synergizes better with her stats/abilities imo.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
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