EPTOn September 13 2010 20:01 HeavOnEarth wrote:
chat died when utah logged in? trololol
chat died when utah logged in? trololol
T_T
This game was like
OOP UTA'S TRYING TO PLAY
NEED TO TURN OFF CHAT
TO MAKE HIM GET BACK TO WORK
sigh.
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
T_T This game was like OOP UTA'S TRYING TO PLAY NEED TO TURN OFF CHAT TO MAKE HIM GET BACK TO WORK sigh. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
But putting that aside, there`s no arguing that infinity edge is a good item for ranged carry. Having a single shot hit particularly hard is very valuable as it`s more OOMPH when it hits and harder to react to, so it`s not always just about the damage-per-second. If both teams are poking at each other, infinity edge becomes particularly valuable because you only get 1 attack in maybe 10 seconds. If you want to talk about reliable DPS, infinity edge definitely creates a huge gap between lowest and highest potential damage within x amount of hits. Someone like tristana can make good use of the high potential damage output because she can venture 3 or 4 hits with her god-range and if she gets unlucky with the dice, she just bails. If she gets lucky, commit and finish them off. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
By the way, for the above conversation, IE + LW is the strongest DPS setup in the game, bar none. Brutalizer is far from standard on DPS carries, in fact it's only relatively common on Ashe, mainly for laning purposes and for Volley. BR is the strongest single-item DPS item in the game, as it's the only damage item that gives you significant attack speed. AS vs Crit vs APen depends on the hero being played. Ezreal runs APen for instance because it's more important to make every Q hit harder. Kog runs AS because abusing double BR on AS is chic. Twitch depends on favored build - IE Twitch runs Crit% because you get enough AS from W and R, although azn's BR Twitch favors AS for obvious reasons. Edit: lol it's back. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
Cost efficiency aside, the reason why some champions get Bloodthirsters and Infinity edge instead of atma's impaler is because of the following: 1) the raw damage is higher them usually and synergizes better with killing people faster 2) the champions that want IE are usually so squishy that if they get attacked at all they're probably dead anyway with or without the armor from atma's. 3) IE is the single highest dps item you can get in a single item slot. As a result an endgame ranged physical carry will look to get that because it won't be replaced. About unique passives: They ALWAYS stack (to the best of my knowledge) UNLESS they are sheen/trinity/lichbane or Tear's of the Godess's maximum mana pool passive OR are from the EXACT SAME ITEM. Example: All unique passive mp5 items (soul shroud, mana manipulator, etc) will stack if you have 1 of each. All items with unique passives that reduce cooldowns (frozen heart, brutalizer, yomumu's, deathfire grasp, etc) will stack even if the numbers are the same. | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
re: BT/Atma's - I just think it's a solid alternative choice to a second/third bloodthirster if you're building a Banshee's Veil, even on squishy characters. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On September 13 2010 20:02 Southlight wrote: T_T This game was like OOP UTA'S TRYING TO PLAY NEED TO TURN OFF CHAT TO MAKE HIM GET BACK TO WORK sigh. Nah. MASS DODGING OCCURRED. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On September 13 2010 10:39 Pikachusc2 wrote: I was wondering if anyone here would like to teach me and my friend more about the game, like when to kill bosses, when to yattayatta yatta!. because im level 5 hes like 7 or something hes been winning more then me. but im hoping maybe someone would want to come skype with us who can explain the game a little more indepth if thats a problem im sorry for bringing it up. but it would be awesome! I'd be glad to help. I talk to much as it is! Also, as you're playing the game have a notepad in front of you to write down questions. Then bring the whole lot into this thread for answers :D | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On September 13 2010 21:12 Southlight wrote: Trying to gank a lane with Alistar is a lesson in wanting to kill yourself, sigh. alistar AND sion. Imagine what I was feeling trying to lane against them. I think i had like 18 cs by level 7 | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On September 13 2010 20:16 Phrost wrote: 3) IE is the single highest dps item you can get in a single item slot. this is exactly what my friend said and my math says that this isn't true, *especially* when you factor that IE is 2k gold more than atma's and manamune (meaning you could buy another BF sword on top of those for the same cost, which is irrelevant in considering which has higher single-slot dps, but entirely relevant in a real game), and 500 more than Bloodrazors, which give other benefits again, not saying IE's a bad item, but his argument was that 4IE was the most powerful build because 80% critical chance -_- i had to explain to him that diversifying his items would be much more effective (AS anyone?) and that if you include efficiency, there's no way that 4IE has the most damage output per unit gold, so it can't be the "best" because expecting to farm 16k gold in a game is dumb and not worth theorycrafting | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
Guess i'll be playing Lol tonight haha | ||
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Jazriel
Canada404 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On September 13 2010 20:09 Southlight wrote: By the way, for the above conversation, IE + LW is the strongest DPS setup in the game, bar none. lvl 18 Tristana. Enemy with 80 Armor after masteries/runes, 100 MRes. IE + LW for 6045 gold. 189 AD, 1.48 attacks per second without Rapid Fire, 32 APen, 20% crit for 250% damage. Normal attack deals 128 damage. 1.48 * (0.8 * 128 + 0.2 * 2.5 * 128) = 246 DPS GB/B + SotD for 6194 gold. 154 AD, 1.58 attacks per second without Rapid Fire, 35 APen, 12.5 bonus magic damage per attack after MRes, 15% crit for 200% damage. Normal attack deals 106 damage. 1.58 * (12.5 + 0.85 * 106 + 0.15 * 2 * 106) = 212 DPS With SotD active: Normal attack deals 134 damage. 1.58 * (12.5 + 0.85 * 134 + 0.15 * 2 * 134) = 263 DPS Obviously even more with GB active, and we still have 25% CDR as a freebie. Needs 1 more slot though. Sure against enemies with lots of Armor and HP, IE + LW most likely is the best physical damage combination. But against those BR + anything with ASpd probably is much stronger. Against champs that can be killed fairly quickly - within 8 seconds ideally - there are higher DPS setups possible. I probably would rather pick Starks than SotD unless my enemies stack dodge, but that's more expensive. Maybe there is a much better combination, Wit's End comes to my mind, at least against Mana users. GB/B/LW should actually be pretty close to IE/LW too. IE + LW is a consistent and reliable setup that is strong against pretty much everyone, but I wouldn't say it's always the best setup. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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Darkchylde
United States473 Posts
On September 13 2010 21:43 Jazriel wrote: While we're on the topic of mathcrafting (making words is fun). Which item has the best AS efficiency? Which AS item gives the best +dmg? As noted before, I think AS is more of synergy based on character abilities than mathcrafting. Guinsoo's RB works on chars like Kayle, Nidalee, Jax. Bloodrazor on Shaco, Kog, WW. Hotshot uses SotD on Xin (I don't play Xin, why that item choice?). Or AS based on what you are up against like Last Whisper for people stacking armor or maybe even Wit's for mage-centric teams. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On September 13 2010 21:12 Southlight wrote: Trying to gank a lane with Alistar is a lesson in wanting to kill yourself, sigh. Even Flash doesn't do the trick? | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On September 13 2010 21:51 Southlight wrote: Except that SotD runs out after like 5 seconds so you're staring at something that's significantly worse in mid-late game fights. It's like saying DFG is the best DPS item cuz you do like 500 DPS with it. You would have to divide by 0 to calculate DFG's DPS. Don't try that. 8 Seconds on SotD, 12 attacks without Rapid Fire. That's often enough to kill someone who is not a tank. And against tanks we're competing with BR again. Especially since everyone loves stacking SFCs. For longer fights, I would want something like Starks or Malady, for the life steal. This is all very situational and character dependent. I'm basically just saying that there are situations where IE + LW does not produce the highest DPS. Without any Armor items, a squishy has way less Armor than in my example (Tristana has 69 @ lvl 18, and then runes and masteries are applied), which would further boost the stats of GB/B/X. And honestly, I only got SotD once so far. I mostly used it in my above example to keep the gold cost similar. Oh and again, I wouldn't even go for GB/B on Tristana anyways, simply because IE synergizes better with her stats/abilities imo. | ||
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