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On September 13 2010 13:40 gtrsrs wrote:
i just did a bunch of mathcrafting for a friend who was trying to convince me that infinity edge is the "best damage item in the game"
when the numbers boiled down, infinity edge looks pretty bad on paper. a lot worse than i was expecting it.
i still think 1 infinity edge can be a good thing especially to boost those critical strikes but wow, if i ever see someone with 2 infinity edges in game again (as opposed to the much more rounded *and* cost efficient atma's impaler) i think i'm gonna rage.
inf edge is definitely the best single damage item on paper and in game...
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On September 13 2010 13:45 On_Slaught wrote:
All of the jargon used in this thread makes it extremely intimidating to try and pick up this game.
I just got it last night and am thinking of buying Malzahar since he seems like perfect for my playstyle.
All this jargon tho is... ugh.
theres a very good first post with lots of descriptions and details, mybe try reading it?
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On September 13 2010 13:47 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2010 13:45 On_Slaught wrote:
All of the jargon used in this thread makes it extremely intimidating to try and pick up this game.
I just got it last night and am thinking of buying Malzahar since he seems like perfect for my playstyle.
All this jargon tho is... ugh. theres a very good first post with lots of descriptions and details, mybe try reading it?
Maybe you should try rereading it since it is basic, and good, information regarding specific classes but doesn't explain a single thing that has been talked about on the last 5-10pages.
MP/AP/HP kind of stuff is obvious.
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Ive been thinking infinity edge + atma's impalers for all range carries. Atma's gives more crit, armor, and damage>bf sword if you have more than 2500 hp, which everyone should have if im not mistaking. Then infinity edge gives more damage, crit, and the unique. Add a green pot, and youre crits hit hard. I think someone before me suggested this.
Then again, i want to play armor shredding corki... i wish gattling gun's range was longer. Can gattling gun crit, btw? I would check if LoL was working for me...
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I'm reading the LoL website forums now, but one thing is still confusing.
Why is "jungling" so important and why are some classes considered better at it? Isn't it just essentially a high dps guy running around sniping people when he gets a shot?
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On September 13 2010 13:50 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2010 13:47 barbsq wrote:On September 13 2010 13:45 On_Slaught wrote:
All of the jargon used in this thread makes it extremely intimidating to try and pick up this game.
I just got it last night and am thinking of buying Malzahar since he seems like perfect for my playstyle.
All this jargon tho is... ugh. theres a very good first post with lots of descriptions and details, mybe try reading it? Maybe you should try rereading it since it is basic, and good, information regarding specific classes but doesn't explain a single thing that has been talked about on the last 5-10pages. MP/AP/HP kind of stuff is obvious.
its mostly just in game item names , you'll intuitively pick them up once you get used to all the items
IE= infinity edge
cs= creep score (from dota not LoL)
On September 13 2010 13:54 On_Slaught wrote:
I'm reading the LoL website forums now, but one thing is still confusing.
Why is "jungling" so important and why are some classes considered better at it? Isn't it just essentially a high dps guy running around sniping people when he gets a shot?
you get more experience and gold with a jungler
some classes are better because they have some sort of lifesteal built in
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On September 13 2010 13:50 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2010 13:47 barbsq wrote:On September 13 2010 13:45 On_Slaught wrote:
All of the jargon used in this thread makes it extremely intimidating to try and pick up this game.
I just got it last night and am thinking of buying Malzahar since he seems like perfect for my playstyle.
All this jargon tho is... ugh. theres a very good first post with lots of descriptions and details, mybe try reading it? Maybe you should try rereading it since it is basic, and good, information regarding specific classes but doesn't explain a single thing that has been talked about on the last 5-10pages. MP/AP/HP kind of stuff is obvious.
You should pick this game up! I started this game without any knowledge of this genre, and I hadn't discovered the LoL thread here. The first few games may be rough, but there is a tutorial, and the first few games, you can just familiarize yourself with the gameflow and items. On the official league of legends site, they give you info also, so you can check that out. If you have any specific questions, you can always ask this thread!
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On September 13 2010 13:50 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2010 13:47 barbsq wrote:On September 13 2010 13:45 On_Slaught wrote:
All of the jargon used in this thread makes it extremely intimidating to try and pick up this game.
I just got it last night and am thinking of buying Malzahar since he seems like perfect for my playstyle.
All this jargon tho is... ugh. theres a very good first post with lots of descriptions and details, mybe try reading it? Maybe you should try rereading it since it is basic, and good, information regarding specific classes but doesn't explain a single thing that has been talked about on the last 5-10pages. MP/AP/HP kind of stuff is obvious.
everything else discussed is either just garabage, or information that you can only get by playing.... every game has jargon, even games like tetris
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On September 13 2010 13:54 On_Slaught wrote:
I'm reading the LoL website forums now, but one thing is still confusing.
Why is "jungling" so important and why are some classes considered better at it? Isn't it just essentially a high dps guy running around sniping people when he gets a shot?
Jungling is important for many reasons. 1. Gives the team two solo lanes and a jungle, which is equivalent to about a solo lane in terms of exp and gold. This means you will have an exp and gold advantage as a whole. 2. Ganking- this means that if the other team is stupid enough, you can go into the lane, hopefully net a kill. This also means that the other team will be afraid of you, and may not be as aggresive as they should be. 3. Dragon control- killing dragon gives global exp and gold, equal to a towers (i believe). This is substantial, and can turn a game around if you are losing, or pull your team to the lead.
The best junglers are the ones who can jungle fast and can gank well. There really isn't a specific class that does well. For example, fiddlesticks is a mage who can jungle well and gank well (fear+drain), udyr is a tanky dps who can jungle well and gank well (BEAR STANCE), amumu is a tank who can jungle well and gank well (bandage toss), yi is a hard carry who can jungle well and gank well (just overall speed and dps).
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ignore that 1-4 chogath. my team forced me to play tank chogath. >> i much prefer ap chogath than pure tank cho
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On September 13 2010 14:03 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2010 13:54 On_Slaught wrote:
I'm reading the LoL website forums now, but one thing is still confusing.
Why is "jungling" so important and why are some classes considered better at it? Isn't it just essentially a high dps guy running around sniping people when he gets a shot? Jungling is important for many reasons. 1. Gives the team two solo lanes and a jungle, which is equivalent to about a solo lane in terms of exp and gold. This means you will have an exp and gold advantage as a whole. 2. Ganking- this means that if the other team is stupid enough, you can go into the lane, hopefully net a kill. This also means that the other team will be afraid of you, and may not be as aggresive as they should be. 3. Dragon control- killing dragon gives global exp and gold, equal to a towers (i believe). This is substantial, and can turn a game around if you are losing, or pull your team to the lead. The best junglers are the ones who can jungle fast and can gank well. There really isn't a specific class that does well. For example, fiddlesticks is a mage who can jungle well and gank well (fear+drain), udyr is a tanky dps who can jungle well and gank well (BEAR STANCE), amumu is a tank who can jungle well and gank well (bandage toss), yi is a hard carry who can jungle well and gank well (just overall speed and dps).
Technoviking disapproves this post.
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but yeah jungler are really important, even if it is just for overall map control.
Imagine if your bot lane gets dominated by taric + whatever, with a jungler they have to be way more careful about pushing the tower, they could get ganked at anytime, and it's the best way to win over a screwed up line.
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On September 13 2010 14:15 Kexx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2010 14:03 Misder wrote:On September 13 2010 13:54 On_Slaught wrote:
I'm reading the LoL website forums now, but one thing is still confusing.
Why is "jungling" so important and why are some classes considered better at it? Isn't it just essentially a high dps guy running around sniping people when he gets a shot? Jungling is important for many reasons. 1. Gives the team two solo lanes and a jungle, which is equivalent to about a solo lane in terms of exp and gold. This means you will have an exp and gold advantage as a whole. 2. Ganking- this means that if the other team is stupid enough, you can go into the lane, hopefully net a kill. This also means that the other team will be afraid of you, and may not be as aggresive as they should be. 3. Dragon control- killing dragon gives global exp and gold, equal to a towers (i believe). This is substantial, and can turn a game around if you are losing, or pull your team to the lead. The best junglers are the ones who can jungle fast and can gank well. There really isn't a specific class that does well. For example, fiddlesticks is a mage who can jungle well and gank well (fear+drain), udyr is a tanky dps who can jungle well and gank well (BEAR STANCE), amumu is a tank who can jungle well and gank well (bandage toss), yi is a hard carry who can jungle well and gank well (just overall speed and dps). Technoviking disapproves this post. but yeah jungler are really important, even if it is just for overall map control. Imagine if your bot lane gets dominated by taric + whatever, with a jungler they have to be way more careful about pushing the tower, they could get ganked at anytime, and it's the best way to win over a screwed up line.
I would like to point out the picture is actually Brolaf saying Fuck Yeah Jungling.
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this is starting to get weird, 12-2 with malzahar in ranked
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On September 13 2010 15:17 Brees wrote:
this is starting to get weird, 12-2 with malzahar in ranked
dude, ive been fucking LOVING malz now (believe it or not, unrelated to buffs, i played him a bit right before buffs), i still dont know anything about his viability in high level play (you would know much better than me), but i just find him fun to play
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On September 13 2010 15:17 Brees wrote:
this is starting to get weird, 12-2 with malzahar in ranked
malz's buff makes him somewhat viable.....maybe.
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I'm just glad that the competitive scene in LoL isn't too big, the term "tryhard" definitely makes it to the top 5# ugliest game-related words chart.
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On September 13 2010 15:50 r33k wrote:
I'm just glad that the competitive scene in LoL isn't too big, the term "tryhard" definitely makes it to the top 5# ugliest game-related words chart.
Term "tryhard" is usually used by people who are "butthurt"
On September 13 2010 15:26 Soloside wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2010 15:17 Brees wrote:
this is starting to get weird, 12-2 with malzahar in ranked malz's buff makes him somewhat viable.....maybe.
He seems kinda situational character now, he may punish squishy for getting into bad position, also his W is (and always was) quite good skill combined with mass cc but not that easy to pull of for decent duration.
Still his biggest problem is that most casters in late game transition into mass cc'ers (fidd, morgana, annie) and he only has hard to aim silence and ww-like ult that stuns you as well
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The term "butthurt" has been around since forever and its origins have nothing to do with gaming...
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On September 13 2010 12:25 Darkchylde wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2010 07:23 Scipaeus121212 wrote:
And me failing at math again, brutalizer isn't as cost efficient as I thought >_> I'm pretty sure brutalizer is one of the most cost efficient items in the game.
Well, it is "cost efficient" as in giving a lot of damage for its cost, but when building infinity edge you want critical strike, not damage. The armor penetration gives 15%/7,5%/5% damage bonus against 15/100/200 armor respectively, which is very nice, but no one is hanging around at 15 armor and it is worse than infinity edge boosed critical chance. In the end, another agility cloak would simply be much better, unless you REALLY want cooldown reduction.
As for the Youmuu's ghost blade, it is ok-ish DPS item, it is definately worth it if you want the active.
The reason why I don't like buying damage at all beyond infinity edge is this:
Critical strike chance is on average +1% to your damage. With masteries and IE, it is +1,6% bonus to your damage. Let's pretend you have 180 damage, which is reasonable with infinity edge. Each point in critical strike is worth 2,88 damage. One damage costs 39 gold, one point in critical chance costs 48.88. So it isn't efficient to buy damage beyond infinity edge until you have ~85% critical strike chance >_>.
(edit; failed at math again. Everything is correct now ^^)
TL;DR
After infinity edge, buy agility cloaks. You can buy Atma's at around 50% critical chance if you want armor. If you have more/less HP than 2000 buy it sooner/later. Do not build damage until 100% critical chance. Get last whisper in somewhere in there.
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So I've lost 4 games because people want to have stupid picks. 2 support team with no good carry. eve sivir. leavers. Why is this shit happening at 1500. Guess I need to get past 1550 and hope it's different in the 1600's.
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