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On August 30 2010 06:52 APurpleCow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 06:22 spinesheath wrote:On August 30 2010 06:10 APurpleCow wrote:On August 30 2010 06:03 spinesheath wrote:On August 30 2010 05:32 UniversalSnip wrote:It is clear that following a certain "playstyle" isn't optimal in all cases. However it is also hard if not impossibly to deny the existence of several "best" actions.
Take the example of chess: There are situations where you can immediately win the game with either of several moves. None of those moves is superior to another. There might be moves that also lead to certain victory, but require several moves. You might argue that those are worse, but unless your time is running out they are not. Well, at this point competition between good moves is a sham because you're just going through the motions. The game is already over. Autopilot away. Riiiight.... This is a simplified example where it is actually easy to determine a best action. If you ever can determine a best action then by all means all further actions should be clear as well, or else my best action brought me into a state of uncertainty. And I am pretty sure that there will usually be plenty of actions that lead to uncertainty. Anyways, I showed you that there is not always a single best action. That's it, nothing to argue about. It's also not a stretch to assume that equialent situations can appear after 5 minutes of LoL, where 2 different sets of actions would lead to an equally good (and "optimal") outcome at 6 minutes in. Uh... There always is a single best action. There's always an action, which, when taken, gives you the highest probability of winning the game. No. There may be many actions that give you the same highest probability of winning the game. As proven with my chess example. Or if you want a LoL example: I'm at a point where it is clear that I have to wait in a safe area and do nothing for 10 seconds, determined as the BEST action by some miracle. Then I say that walking 5 pixels to the left and back again during those 10 seconds will yield the same chance of winning the game. If the actions all give the same probability of winning the game, then it doesn't matter which one you pick. Could diceroll and it'd be fine.
No problems this way. I never argued against the existence of at least one best action.
And luckily the possibilities in LoL are actually limited thanks to the limited data storage in a computer, so it's impossible that there is an infinite series of actions that approaches but never reaches a best action :p
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On August 30 2010 04:12 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 03:54 redtooth wrote:On August 30 2010 01:04 Shikyo wrote:On August 30 2010 00:39 spinesheath wrote:On August 30 2010 00:23 gtrsrs wrote:
i've tooled around with AP ashe and it's every bit as bad as you are imagining it could be That's one of the major points speaking for it! AP Ashe is bad, Locket Ashe with mass auras is where it's at. tank ashe stacking warmogs. caller isn't brave enough to play her. On August 30 2010 03:09 APurpleCow wrote:On August 30 2010 03:04 cascades wrote:
Nope. That would actually make tiger stance useful, and we can't have that. Yea, an ability with a 3.0 AD ratio and a 4 second cooldown is COMPLETELY useless. are you disagreeing with the statement that tiger stance is useless? On August 30 2010 02:07 mrgerry wrote:
They added suppresion (no summoner spells while stunned) to warwick, malthazar, and someone else's ult that i forget. The delay on malth's q in TR is changed to .25 seconds and range on ult is 750 from 650. To give you an idea of range, Trist is like 700 at lvl 18. pretty sure i cleansed out of WW ult yesterday night. Tiger stance isn't useless it just takes more of an assassin playstyle instead of a teamfighter, since the ticks from the dot can crit IIRC. Tiger Stance = Single Target Assassin, Phoenix Stance = Teamfighter. sorry, but you are very very wrong haha.
On August 30 2010 06:19 myopia wrote:
I'm gonna be the proest Kennen the world has ever known too bad since OXICLEAN is the proest kennen the world has ever known. Sam the Ham is a distant second. you gotta be really amazing to be known as the "most ______ in the server". for instance, HotshotGG is the best nidalee in the server because he said so. LoCicero is the best pantheon in the server since Maknoon started liking airplanes. Caller is the bravest player in the server (have you seen him play? guy has no sense of fear).
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On August 30 2010 07:06 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 04:12 STS17 wrote:On August 30 2010 03:54 redtooth wrote:On August 30 2010 01:04 Shikyo wrote:On August 30 2010 00:39 spinesheath wrote:On August 30 2010 00:23 gtrsrs wrote:
i've tooled around with AP ashe and it's every bit as bad as you are imagining it could be That's one of the major points speaking for it! AP Ashe is bad, Locket Ashe with mass auras is where it's at. tank ashe stacking warmogs. caller isn't brave enough to play her. On August 30 2010 03:09 APurpleCow wrote:On August 30 2010 03:04 cascades wrote:
Nope. That would actually make tiger stance useful, and we can't have that. Yea, an ability with a 3.0 AD ratio and a 4 second cooldown is COMPLETELY useless. are you disagreeing with the statement that tiger stance is useless? On August 30 2010 02:07 mrgerry wrote:
They added suppresion (no summoner spells while stunned) to warwick, malthazar, and someone else's ult that i forget. The delay on malth's q in TR is changed to .25 seconds and range on ult is 750 from 650. To give you an idea of range, Trist is like 700 at lvl 18. pretty sure i cleansed out of WW ult yesterday night. Tiger stance isn't useless it just takes more of an assassin playstyle instead of a teamfighter, since the ticks from the dot can crit IIRC. Tiger Stance = Single Target Assassin, Phoenix Stance = Teamfighter. sorry, but you are very very wrong haha. Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 06:19 myopia wrote:
Please, im the bravest player in LoL, i tower dive with no fear aslong as they die
:D
Also, is Panth a good hero? ive been thinking of buying him or Morde(im not 30 yet) because both of them look fun as fuck but idk which one i want more
I'm gonna be the proest Kennen the world has ever known too bad since OXICLEAN is the proest kennen the world has ever known. Sam the Ham is a distant second. you gotta be really amazing to be known as the "most ______ in the server". for instance, HotshotGG is the best nidalee in the server because he said so. LoCicero is the best pantheon in the server since Maknoon started liking airplanes. Caller is the bravest player in the server (have you seen him play? guy has no sense of fear).
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The last few pages make no sense to me at all... maybe it's because I haven't played in a while.
And what the FUCK is my new icon supposed to be?
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Frozen Heart vs. Randuin's Omen, which one is better?
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Depends who you are, depends what you want, casters usually run Frozen Heart while tanks run Omen.
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On August 30 2010 07:20 Shikyo wrote:
The last few pages make no sense to me at all... maybe it's because I haven't played in a while.
And what the FUCK is my new icon supposed to be?
infested terran
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On August 30 2010 07:31 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 07:20 Shikyo wrote:
The last few pages make no sense to me at all... maybe it's because I haven't played in a while.
And what the FUCK is my new icon supposed to be? infested terran
Or a turd, whatever
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Nope, that's a wraith. And I'm a dragoon. I didn't even see my 500th!
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just had the most epic game of LoL i've had yet
our team- A Purple Cow as amumu, me as galio, some pub as pirate, and then a gragas/sion. gragas has connection errors, isn't there when game starts. sion gives first blood to anivia and rage-quits.
4 minutes in it looks like we've already lost
somehow, some way, we manage to stick together and get ganks while at the same time keeping lanes pushed. we tie it up at 4-4 kills, and pull ahead to 20-7 by 15 minutes.
"oh just 10 minutes til you can surrender" mocketh the other team
the sick trio of ults is enough to ace them several times and net us 5 towers. we grab baron and try to end it but we're unable to. they finally catch up to us in gear around the 45 minute mark and "ace" the three of us and push an inhib. they catch us at baron and end it at 50-something minutes
overall score was like 40-17 with me going 15-3-15 ^^
still lost 13 elo, which is bullshit. this game needs a bullshit detector to prevent that shit. all three of us played out of our minds, MM needs to take that into account imo.
also this is another reason that AP scaling is a retarded feature. with no true carry/support roles, anyone can buy good gear and just turtle even though it's obvious they're losing that situation. there's no way we could truly push on morgana/anivia, so for 50 minutes they just got to feed and feed (without losing gold.. and being up 2 players meant they could push all three lanes and even if 3 of them died, if they got a tower it was worth it) and farm and farm until they were all rocking 200 AD and 600 AP. incredibly frustrating, especially knowing that in dota/hon, 3 players who are better than their 5 opponents will win every time, *especially* if the game goes to 50 minutes, instead of being handicapped by time in LoL
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How good is Tristana? I'm still newish to LoL (summoner level 10), and I just started using her. I've been getting consistently better kda spreads with her than I have with any of the other champs I've used except the occasional really good Cho'Gath game (I also play Zilean, Soraka, and sort of Ashe).
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On August 30 2010 08:11 Jokey665 wrote:
How good is Tristana? I'm still newish to LoL (summoner level 10), and I just started using her. I've been getting consistently better kda spreads with her than I have with any of the other champs I've used except the occasional really good Cho'Gath game (I also play Zilean, Soraka, and sort of Ashe).
Tristana is great, she's really strong as far as DPS go although quite outshined by ezreal and now kogmaw. Still, she's definitely a playable and mainable character.
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Try and get in one of the many 5mans that go on with WRAWRAWRAWRA. He's insane.
Also ask WRAWRAWRAWRA for a 1v1 mid a few times is a good way to learn how to play her.
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On August 30 2010 07:21 emucxg wrote:
Frozen Heart vs. Randuin's Omen, which one is better?
I really like getting max CDR easily with a 1.5k item
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On August 30 2010 07:55 ghen wrote:
Nope, that's a wraith. And I'm a dragoon. I didn't even see my 500th!
wtf when do i get hydralisk
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On August 30 2010 08:34 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 07:55 ghen wrote:
Nope, that's a wraith. And I'm a dragoon. I didn't even see my 500th! wtf when do i get hydralisk
when you can make out wtf my new display picture is <_<
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also fuck my life, i got to 1420 finally and lost 2 games in a row because of retarded teammates (11/3/9 kog shouldn't lose)
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On August 30 2010 08:37 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 08:34 Phrost wrote:On August 30 2010 07:55 ghen wrote:
Nope, that's a wraith. And I'm a dragoon. I didn't even see my 500th! wtf when do i get hydralisk when you can make out wtf my new display picture is <_<
On August 30 2010 07:31 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 07:20 Shikyo wrote:
The last few pages make no sense to me at all... maybe it's because I haven't played in a while.
And what the FUCK is my new icon supposed to be? infested terran
http://classic.battle.net/scc/zerg/units/iterran.shtml
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On August 30 2010 08:37 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 08:34 Phrost wrote:On August 30 2010 07:55 ghen wrote:
Nope, that's a wraith. And I'm a dragoon. I didn't even see my 500th! wtf when do i get hydralisk when you can make out wtf my new display picture is <_<
I said it was a turd, or an infested terran
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