naaaa, I don't care about it enough to put effort into the post. I was more interested to see if people would call me a noob for calling Warwick a tank than anything else really. They did, so I'm kinda happy I didn't put any time into trying to prove them wrong because they'd probably just bombard me with how WW should build BT after razors or something, lol.

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

August 13 2010 19:56 GMT

#12004

He's completely right though. The value of being tankier vs getting more DPS is completely skewered in favor of tanking items until stuff like void staff and last whisper comes into play, and even then it doesn't solve the problem completely.

Example: annie has about 8000 gold worth of AP item giving her around 500AP.

I buy 2 negatron cloak, costing me 1500gold. Annie's damage is cut down by half, making her lose 4000gold worth of value on her items.

Net profit to me: 2500gold.

Somewhat extreme example, but in general its true that tanky gear scales much better than DPS/AP.

Orpheos

United States1663 Posts

August 13 2010 19:57 GMT

#12005

My Tryndamere will ROLL your Olaf late game, I don't care what items he has.

lawl. thornmail gg

BlueBird.

United States3890 Posts

August 13 2010 19:59 GMT

#12006

i think the sad fact is that Amummu in an avg ranked game for me does 115,000 magic damage and a 140,000 total damage. I don't play any real "carries" other than kayle so let's compare the 2.. total damage on an avg game for kayle 100,000.. although I do believe that my kayle games are much shorter than my mummy games.. so hard to judge, however my annie games are quite long as well.. and she does an avg of 50,000 magic damage... that's half of mummy... There is something wrong there lol

the biggest difference would be that it's all AOE, and mummy can't nuke someone down, but why would he need to when he can just aoe nuke the team down over time

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

August 13 2010 20:04 GMT

#12007

I probably should've pointed out in my post that I was talking about their sustained damage being too high, but w/e, mumu does AoE Madred's Razor aura, lawl, that's totally fair. I guess people still haven't caught onto how hard mumu's abilities hit.

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

August 13 2010 20:08 GMT

#12008

Shen ult nerf doesn't hurt that much, it already only shields shen for like 300 damage at most... If you're using his ult to save yourself, you're doing it wrong. Feint buff again isn't game changing, but it will definitely help against matchups like Morgana. HOPEFULLY people will see these nerfs as breaking him and stop banning him so I can play him

akali is fking HUGE with gunblade now IMO

kennen goes from fun niche champ to unstoppably fun top pick IMO

the anivia buff is nice and subtle

myopia

United States2928 Posts

August 13 2010 20:21 GMT

#12009

why you gotta bring Nasus into this, Smash

I like being useful and unkillable at the same time

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

August 13 2010 20:29 GMT

#12010

Haemonculus

United States6980 Posts

August 13 2010 20:30 GMT

#12011

Good lord I'm still stuck at such shitty ELO....

DPS Nasus? Rushing triforce in a ranked game? Really? Before even ur goddamn BOOTS???

"Hey guys 500 more gold and I get aegis"
-40 minutes into game...

DPS Morde? FML no tanking items.

Ever seen a late game morde with under 70 armor *and* magic res? Yah me neither.

Both of these fellows on the same team? T_T;

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

August 13 2010 20:33 GMT

#12012

*gasp*

he still sucks.

I also think it's funny that you have the corki game highlighted, lol.

but yea, I'd play more Pantheon despite his suckiness (you need to sidelane or jungle, yuck) but I'm frequently a high pick on my team and I really think it puts your team at a big disadvantage to have a high pick spent on not Amumu, Garen, Kayle, Morgana, Taric, Soraka, Heimer or Shaco.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

August 13 2010 20:35 GMT

#12013

Edit:
More the build I'm accustomed to seeing on him.

Before you rag on him playing newbies he's 1620 elo and one of them was apparently on CLG's stream, according to Fishycakes.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

August 13 2010 20:39 GMT

#12014

On August 14 2010 04:14 Southlight wrote:
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This is what happens when I'm too scared to get Soulstealer against a mass AoE team

You do better? Yep, not surprising.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

August 13 2010 20:43 GMT

#12015

More like I couldn't do any damage whatsoever.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

August 13 2010 20:46 GMT

#12016

On August 14 2010 05:35 Southlight wrote:
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Edit:
More the build I'm accustomed to seeing on him.

Before you rag on him playing newbies he's 1620 elo and one of them was apparently on CLG's stream, according to Fishycakes.

look up locicero while you're on your Pantheon is still good kick. he was #8 on ladder this morning and has panth as his most played. I get that pantheon can still be successful, he just still sucks :p.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

August 13 2010 20:47 GMT

#12017

On August 14 2010 05:43 Southlight wrote:
More like I couldn't do any damage whatsoever.

Your awful KDA reflects that

RoieTRS

United States2569 Posts

August 13 2010 20:50 GMT

#12018

Panth mid or its a waste of pick

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

August 13 2010 20:52 GMT

#12019

if your team sends panth mid, I will be there with taric and 80 armor at level 1 and I will push your shit in so hard that you'll never want to play the character ever again, lol.

red_

United States8474 Posts

August 13 2010 20:53 GMT

#12020

On August 14 2010 05:46 Mogwai wrote:

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Locicero solos Panth top and just dominates kids with spear/aegis/autoattack/spear. Also I've been seeing Panth's tearing up games on some streams lately(COMEGETATASTE had like 7 panth games in his recently played yesterday, which will obviously not all be there now, of which 1 was under 10 kills, 3 above 15, one at 23/2/8 or something obscene like that).

I think it just took some time for people to adjust to the HSS'less Panth, he appears to be back to dominating early/mid game for a handful of people sticking with him(or in Loci's case, switching to him).