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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
August 05 2010 13:30 GMT
#10381
im sure youve mentioned this before but where do you get your inside scoop phrost?
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 05 2010 13:32 GMT
#10382
When I play karthus I get Mejas first then begin stacking as much magic penetration as I possibly can. You get your AP from your magic pen and as a side effect from a couple of the items you buy but the MPen is more important.

Defile is really only useful in teamfights if your team has stacked CC (like Amumu stunning everyone) or if your other team is incompetent. Lay Waste can keep you at a distance and hits decently hard for how fast it can be cast. Really though it's utility is only in keeping your opponent's on their toes and waiting for them to make a mistake (like moving out of position to avoid a lay waste) and letting your team capitalize on that. your Wall of Slowing is amazing in teamfights because of what it does to their resistances.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 05 2010 13:33 GMT
#10383
On August 05 2010 22:30 Orpheos wrote:
im sure youve mentioned this before but where do you get your inside scoop phrost?


People post the datamined skins on the forums. I have a test realm key and the client so i can show splash screens but i dont have any model viewer for lol
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
August 05 2010 13:43 GMT
#10384
what do you guys take as summoner skills on garen? im too used to just taking ghost+cleanse on everyone cause im lazy so when i get to a champ that really doesnt need either im kinda lost.

im thinking exhaust for early kills with judgement and late game CC against dpsers that you cant silence.

not sure what else though. might just take ghost...
Razamataz
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada135 Posts
August 05 2010 13:47 GMT
#10385
My personal favorite summoner skills on Garen are exhaust/flash

Ghost/flash has also worked for me.

I don't know if these are what the pros use, but I've had some good success.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 05 2010 14:14 GMT
#10386
Some questions about sheen, I am not entirely sure which sources to trust and how to interpret everything correctly...

UNIQUE Passive: 100% chance when an ability is used that your next physical attack deals 80% extra base damage. This effect has a 3 second cooldown.

I think I remember it stating 4 seconds cooldown in game (I really wish you could browse the ingame shop from the game lobby).

First of all, not all abilities seem to trigger the effect. I'm playing Ashe, so - toggling frozen arrow doesn't afaik, Volley works, Ult should too. I don't really know about Hawkshot. I guess it doesn't.

The 80% base damage: Does it add 80% of your damage without item bonuses, or 80% of the damage including item bonuses (like BFBlade)? Base damage sounds like it could be your champions natural base damage, or just the damage that is used for calculating skill damage.

The cooldown: So I can only use this effect every 3(or 4) seconds? When I use a skill that triggers the effect, a small timer icon appears above my abilities hud. When it runs out, is the bonus damage lost? Or does it just mean that the effect can be used again? Does cooldown reduction apply here?


So obviously sheen's stats aren't exactly great for Ashe, but I usually play Ashe with high damage/low attack speed (I usually can't really rely on my allies to keep people from attacking me). So I quickly get to 200+ AD. Now sheen would hopefully add an additional 160 damage to that. The cooldown aligns nicely with Volley. For only 2/3rd of the price of a BFBlade. So even if it only adds damage every 3rd or 4th attack, it should still outperform a BFBlade at that point.

The next step (in case I got an overflow of money) would be Trinity Force, of course. I assume that the effect is basically the same as that of Sheen, even though the description is slightly different? Maybe a Brutalizer and/or cooldown runes would be a good idea if they apply to sheen.

Yeah I know that I play a weirdish Ashe. The Bloodthirster? Never. I don't understand why so many people get that thing. What is life leech good for on Ashe? Sure a balance between AD and ASpeed yields more DPS, but only if you can stand still while attacking. If I do that I usually get ~10 Stuns cast on me, and even Cleanse won't get me out.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
August 05 2010 14:15 GMT
#10387
On August 05 2010 22:08 Southlight wrote:
Kill/Death means little - the TF has 7 tower kills, which implies complete and utter map control. Obviously without knowing how buff/dragon/baron control went I can't say for sure, but the impression I get is that all the other team could do was gank people who knew they were going to be ganked but didn't care.


I wish. Our TF pretty much was telling us all game "I jungle you guys fight, I can teleport in when you guys need me." Our Tristana didn't speak English or something, and our Zilean was urging everyone to get GA. Not sure how he got all those tower kills, the only time he actually bd'd was for inhibitors and eventually to snipe the Nexus.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 05 2010 14:29 GMT
#10388
On August 05 2010 23:15 SCC-Faust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2010 22:08 Southlight wrote:
Kill/Death means little - the TF has 7 tower kills, which implies complete and utter map control. Obviously without knowing how buff/dragon/baron control went I can't say for sure, but the impression I get is that all the other team could do was gank people who knew they were going to be ganked but didn't care.


I wish. Our TF pretty much was telling us all game "I jungle you guys fight, I can teleport in when you guys need me." Our Tristana didn't speak English or something, and our Zilean was urging everyone to get GA. Not sure how he got all those tower kills, the only time he actually bd'd was for inhibitors and eventually to snipe the Nexus.

Well, those are 7 building kills, not necessarily only towers. And since you got a total of 16 building kills and there are only 11 towers... it is safe to assume that part of his 7 building kills were inhibs.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
August 05 2010 15:30 GMT
#10389
How unusual.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 05 2010 15:40 GMT
#10390
On August 05 2010 23:15 SCC-Faust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2010 22:08 Southlight wrote:
Kill/Death means little - the TF has 7 tower kills, which implies complete and utter map control. Obviously without knowing how buff/dragon/baron control went I can't say for sure, but the impression I get is that all the other team could do was gank people who knew they were going to be ganked but didn't care.


I wish. Our TF pretty much was telling us all game "I jungle you guys fight, I can teleport in when you guys need me." Our Tristana didn't speak English or something, and our Zilean was urging everyone to get GA.


1) That`s actually a good way of playing TF; farming as much as possible and showing up only when he`s needed. Of course, this is assuming he actually showed up at all and was useful.

2) Getting GA with a zilean on your team is actually really good.


Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 05 2010 15:42 GMT
#10391
Yeah I'm... really not seeing the issues here. Obviously whether people pulled off the stuff they can and perhaps should do is a different question, but... from a face-value look at the teams, the resulting kda stats, and obviously which team won it's really not that shocking as a whole.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-05 15:50:40
August 05 2010 15:50 GMT
#10392
Uhg, I'm glad Riot finally posted in my fucking Pantheon thread, but it's the same old bullshit about how everything else was needed, but they might've overnerfed the AD ratios on HSS.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=2269817#post2269817

God, comparing Judgment to HSS made me pissed:

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=173530&page=26#post2281181

Guess I just need to play Garen now or something.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 05 2010 15:53 GMT
#10393
Uh, to be really honest, if they fix HSS damage, I'd bump him right back up because of the stun duration. He'll never be a dominant 1v1 lolwin hero again but as I (and a few others like Odonnell) implied before he was sitting in a very iffy spot of possibly being too strong in the hands of a skilled player - knocking down imbaspear was a nerf that was incoming.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
ProdT
Profile Joined January 2009
United States170 Posts
August 05 2010 15:59 GMT
#10394
I just used Panth and he seemed very underwhelming, hes pretty squishy and his HSS doesn't do much even at level 5, its very hard to get a kill with him unless the hero you are targeting is fairly low.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 05 2010 16:00 GMT
#10395
oh yea, old spear shot's busted, right, totally.

30 mana for a 100% AD + 30 on 600 range, WOW SO FUCKING IMBA

Mystic shot is fucking:

30 mana for a 110% AD + 40 on 1000 range, applies on hit effects, checks brush, reduces your CDs and comes attached to a hero that stays strong all game long regardless of whether he gets kills early.

come on, this is bullshit. THE ONLY THING SPEAR SHOT ACTUALLY HAD GOING FOR IT WAS LOW MANA COST. That's gone, now we're left with the most underwhelming nuke in the game, fucking great, gj. You took an ability that was good for the first six levels and made it a bad version of every other fucking nuke in the game all game long. whoop dee fucking doo! If the early game's a problem, ok, fine, W/E, that's bullshit, but at least give me something to keep me interested in the goddamn ability rather than keeping it as VANILLA NUKE, LOL!!!
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 05 2010 16:14 GMT
#10396
Rofl now it's actually better to autoattack and spam spear after stunning instead of doing HSS at all >_>
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-05 16:19:58
August 05 2010 16:18 GMT
#10397
I just stun, attack, spear, and then run away scared like a sissy because I honestly got no follow-up after that, lol. Shield blocks 1 attack on the way in and 1 on the way out so it actually wears them down eventually assuming I still have mana by that point.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 05 2010 16:33 GMT
#10398
On August 05 2010 15:56 Slaughter wrote:
Karthus takes some skill to play, yes at lower levels you can rape with it because his damage can be wff but due to the nature of his skills dont expect to survive many teamfights. He can be game changing but you have to master his skills to be really useful. I usually go mid and vs ms matchups I can usually win but if people are aware you will get stunned/bust down fast. DF is really useful then as you can continue casting and get your ult off which can wtf own some teams. And I hear the no getting mejals stacks while dead isn't an intended effect so it could make him better if they ever fix that,

tbh, i dont know how to play karth but after playing him once, everytime i go mid vs him, i raped him HARD.

simply bc of the cursor always ways from the champ when he tried to cast the skill so you can always find an opening to screw him over. his slow skill is dangerous but his nukes are quite easy to dodge. if you are annie or ryze, killing him at level 5/6 with lane dominace is something expected.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 05 2010 16:38 GMT
#10399
You know what's fun? Playing karthus leveling up only wall and lay waste, and going to lane with like 5-10 mana potions.

Every 20 seconds: wall + 5 unavoidable lay wastes.
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
August 05 2010 16:47 GMT
#10400
got a question for u guys, it says in the tool tip for Garen's Judgement that critical strike chance increases the damage of judgement, how exactly does that work? i bought a phantom dancer once and din notice the tooltip bonus damage changed at all.
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