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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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Nao
Poland166 Posts
On August 05 2010 23:14 spinesheath wrote: Some questions about sheen, I am not entirely sure which sources to trust and how to interpret everything correctly... I think I remember it stating 4 seconds cooldown in game (I really wish you could browse the ingame shop from the game lobby). ... I'm not shure about toggling skills but the facts i know about sheen: - it's doing only 80% of your base dmg (no items, runes, bufs? ,potions?) - every ability has a separate sheen-cooldown so ie:, playing Nidalee i can: spear AA trap AA cougar AA swipe AA takedown-(uses shen +dmg) human AA heal AA, and every AA (autoattack) will trigger sheen even thou whole sequence took like 5s -shen dmg is added after crit and damage multipliers So it's really only a transition item good for chars that don't go pure +dmg items and can shuffle abilites Also it's really 3seconds cooldown | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 06 2010 03:34 Nao wrote: I'm not shure about toggling skills but the facts i know about sheen: - it's doing only 80% of your base dmg (no items, runes, bufs? ,potions?) - every ability has a separate sheen-cooldown so ie:, playing Nidalee i can: spear AA trap AA cougar AA swipe AA takedown-(uses shen +dmg) human AA heal AA, and every AA (autoattack) will trigger sheen even thou whole sequence took like 5s -shen dmg is added after crit and damage multipliers So it's really only a transition item good for chars that don't go pure +dmg items and can shuffle abilites Also it's really 3seconds cooldown Also, there's something weird with the cooldown. It sometimes procs twice in a row very quickly, and sometimes has a longer pause. Kind of like Archangels and Tear, I think they have some kind of a buffer which lets it proc every time for x amount of times and then there's a cooldown... Should investigate it sometime =S | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
On August 06 2010 03:42 Shikyo wrote: Also, there's something weird with the cooldown. It sometimes procs twice in a row very quickly, and sometimes has a longer pause. Kind of like Archangels and Tear, I think they have some kind of a buffer which lets it proc every time for x amount of times and then there's a cooldown... Should investigate it sometime =S The tooltip is correct - Sheen's proc has a 3 second CD. The reason you see it twice in a row sometimes is because the CD starts immediately after the proc - not after you hit with said proc. So, you can activate Sheen, wait 3 seconds, attack and proc again right away. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
Question: Does Sheen Lich Bane and Tri Force stack? I.E. can you get the benefit of all three on the same attack? | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
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Nao
Poland166 Posts
On August 06 2010 03:42 Shikyo wrote: Also, there's something weird with the cooldown. It sometimes procs twice in a row very quickly, and sometimes has a longer pause. Kind of like Archangels and Tear, I think they have some kind of a buffer which lets it proc every time for x amount of times and then there's a cooldown... Should investigate it sometime =S Yeah i noticed it too, i think its because of server lag. Since (i think) cooldowns are separatly couted on client and server side so it can desync sometimes. Simmilar to bugs like ie: gangplank's "rise morale" sometimes not giving the buff but having an internal cooldown (no cooldown shown) - skill is avilable after standard cooldown time. On August 06 2010 03:51 STS17 wrote: Question: Does Sheen Lich Bane and Tri Force stack? I.E. can you get the benefit of all three on the same attack? EDIT: If i remember correctly it But as for Sheen + Triforce it | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Every Wiki etc. I read says that Lichbane/Sheen/Tri don't stack. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
It's just base damage... | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
edit: agreed though, sheen is very overrated on some heroes | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On August 06 2010 04:15 HazMat wrote: Yea, so many people insist on getting a Sheen on champs like Nidalee but I think Sheen is just awful. It's just base damage... Actually on champs like Nidalee/Ezreal/Nasus is because they have abilities that work off their AD, and Sheen gets that up cheaper than say a BF sword. Takedown, MS, and SS all proc the Sheen when you activate their 'on next attack' status, which then makes the abilities even better. It's actually every other champ in the game where it doesn't make much sense(although I see it on Sion ALL THE TIME, does the Enrage +damage factor in as base damage since it's a toggle and not a steroid buff?). Edit: Forgot the person that arguably gets the most out of sheen even if she isn't the best champ on the list, Poppy. DFG gets a ridiculous damage boost from it. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
80% of just base dmg, is still quite a bit. even if its "just base dmg" | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On August 06 2010 04:30 Southlight wrote: Sheen's just the strongest early-game damage item for a non-auto-attack damage-based hero (ie. Ezreal, who hits people once every 3 seconds, and Poppy), especially as it gives a bit of AP and mana pool. It scales really badly unless you turn it into Lichbane. Hence why you can upgrade it ^^ | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
Idd, thanks to the added MR and MS I generally consider it to be an alternative to FoN on fast sheen characters. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 06 2010 04:24 barbsq wrote: people get sheen on nidalee to turn it into lichbane, once you've got guinsoo's + xhonya's, that translates in to quite a bit of extra dmg edit: agreed though, sheen is very overrated on some heroes Well yea, I get my lichbane after i get zhonyas. Which is after Rageblade, which is what I build first. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Well, you're not going to build Lichbane on Ezreal, unless you're building ap but that's different. That's why I don't build sheen on ad ez, I'd rather get my fast bloodthirsters. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
EDIT: oh yea, and then 2 minutes later he got a quadra kill, rofl | ||
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