EPTThanks for the help, Ashe is a really fun champ.
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Thanks for the help, Ashe is a really fun champ. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
On July 22 2010 14:52 NeoIllusions wrote: You rarely build straight RoA. The build is typically Blue Crystal + 2 hp pots => Catalyst + Boots => Mejai's => RoA or Sorc Boots => w/e you didn't get previously. Early hunting? 1.3K for Catalyst is on par with a Mejai's. You'd really take +20 AP over more HP/MP? I know it's a matter of play style, but that kind of logic, you're building squishy. Not very adequate for diving. 20 + earlier stacks -> faster snowball. I dunno, I guess if you run Cata -> SS -> RoA you could get SS fast enough for earlier snowballing, but then RoA kicks in really late (because then you have to get another 1.7k). I think my average Kass income is around 7.5k last I checked, which means by the time I finish RoA I'm usually trying to end the game. If I were to sit in lane and farm more (ie. get more than 70 creep kills in a game) it'd be more plausible, but... yeah. Like the reason why I go for GA after SS is because getting the GA bits (mainly Chainmail and Mantle) give really nice survivability for relatively cheap. I'm not sure which is better, Cata or Chain/Mantle, obviously, I've been opting in favor of Chain/Mantle because I think armor/MR is more valuable than straight HP. I mean as it is, for me it's like Ring + Sorc + SS + RoA vs Ring + Sorc + SS + GA. I've obviously been opting for the latter. Every once in a blue moon I get a longer game. Obviously running GA means I'm not as prepared for the longer game, as opposed to RoA. That's my reasoning for opting off of RoA on Kassadin. Edit: Also instead of having Sapphire opening I have Ring, so are we looking at Sorc + SS + RoA vs Ring + Sorc + SS + GA? | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
pure HP > Armor/MR at early levels. Once you hit 2.5K-3K HP, then the additional armor/MR investment is worth it.  This is basic. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
I am banking a lot on early kills, but as said the build I was running was a straight SS/GA synergy build that was all-in on SS. For the most part I feel like I've been doing remarkably fine building stacks, especially once teamfights break out (takes very little time to roll up to 20), the problem actually began late-game when I'd have like 400 AP and it wasn't enough to carry. It's also why you see me do some random stuff like go Void -> Rylai, or Abyssal (to counter Annie/Veigar/Anivia/etc.) to be more tanky and to maximize effectiveness of what AP I have. Edit: Also that 2.5/3k mark is interesting. Hmmhmmhmm I've been instinctively following something like that on all my tanking. Hahah. Edit: And, ofc, you see how I play him like a tank, because I don't trust other tanks to initiate (because they DON'T friggin pussies). orz | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Guardian angel and then keeping a fort elixir on hand as "backup HP" will net the biggest EHP for the lowest cost, definitely. | ||
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Nailpolish
United States56 Posts
On July 22 2010 14:57 HazMat wrote: Ok, doing this build this game, going to take mid this time. Thanks for the help, Ashe is a really fun champ. If you really like ashe, i suggest getting double mp5p lvl runes and rest armor pen, that way you can skip the catalyst and open doran's blade/shield + pot. If you build catalyst first, your damage will lack early>mid as a carry and will be stuck as a support role. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
On July 22 2010 15:21 Juicyfruit wrote: There isn`t a whole lot of "banking" involved when it comes to getting kills/assists on Kassadin. He's GOING to get them. There're some really slow/bad games where my whole team is on the back foot at the start and I'm staring at 0/1 stacks 20 minutes into a game ;p I think those are the circumstances he's talking about. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
I dunno, rawrgh, so complicated, so many variables hahah  | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On July 22 2010 14:41 NeoIllusions wrote: So much bitching over petty things... RoA, it's a good item. It gives hp/mana/AP, all vital things for casters. The "downside" is the 15 delay to having a fully charged RoA. But whatever, even with base values, it's a good item. You can argue about Rylai's, since it has a good proc but Rylai's doesn't give mana. Not to mention Catalyst is a far superior intermediary item than any Rylai pieces. Catalyst is a good item. Rod of Ages is what catalyst becomes after it's not needed anymore because you're not in lane. If you want AP, one NLR gives as much AP as a fully-charged Rod for half the price. The extra 325-650 hp is nice but honestly if it wasn't for catalyst RoA wouldn't be all that great on anyone but like, Singed, Amumu and Morgana, who are all pretty innately tanky. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
RoA on Amumu is terrible IMO. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
(not confident in yourself) sapphire-> RoA (confident) dorans ring-> boots1 + mejais+3wards to give you more ganking opportunities at least thats my perspective on it. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Do you play this game or do you watch streams 24/7 and praise hotshotgg's crew as gods. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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GTR
51460 Posts
i have to admit the team we played was pretty fucking awfu | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
Then GP critted me ftl (((( | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
The thing is that while these things are not optimal for defense they are a good compromise to squeze in some survivability without gimping your effectivness - unless you are a Tank where Survivability IS effectivness one way or another. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On July 22 2010 12:51 Shikyo wrote: Kobe and Grandjudge both build Rod of Ages for Kassadin every game, Kobe rushes for Zhonya afterwards while Grandjudge got mejais. And the reason is, because they won't be next to me when I'm charging my ulti and it's all situational of course wtf are you thinking, do you know that your ulti burst has Q and E after it and another incredibly damaging ulti 3 seconds later with the golem buff? Maybe you know more about the game than both Kobe and Grandjudge. If you think so, well be my quest. Golem regens you from 0 mana to 4000 mana in 15 seconds. And why do you have to rift in place instead of harrassing with Q and E while charging? [B]Do you always become stupid and get zero gamesense while trying something new or are you not thinking at all? [B] EDIT again: It doesn't even cost that much mana since you regen almost all of it back in between rifts. You can even charge it to the max, 10 stacks, and keep it up there if you rift barely often enough(with golem active) God someone (someone good to be exact) disagrees with you and you begin flames. You are such a bad poster :| And BTW getting 4k mana on kass? Lol GL with that | ||
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