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ugh ive been playing kass and i have such a hard time being relevant. i cant quite pickup stacks fast enough. and by the time i get GA, i feel like they already have too much stuff and they just own me. i never feel like any of his spells are nukes. i feel lik im just around throwing silence and slow with no real damage, and then blinking to clean up.
idk maybe hes just too hard for me.
on that note im having a really hard time finding a champ that i really like and am good with. it might have to do with hitting my elo wall and still not having practiced a char enough. kayle would prolly be my best char, but shes abit on the OP side and it seems she gets banned alot. morg i have fun with but i seem to have very up and down games with her. and im not very good with black shield, which usually gets some rage if we are losing. blitz was fun for me at lower elos, but he doesnt quite cut it for me now. i really want a char that is decent all game and can contribute very well to teamfights without being the carry. im really bad at carrying because i dont think i have the best decision making. which is consequently why im kinda bad at being a tank too. argh rage /end rant
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I won a ranked game with Malzahar, Mission impossible complete!
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On July 22 2010 12:23 Orpheos wrote:
ugh ive been playing kass and i have such a hard time being relevant. i cant quite pickup stacks fast enough. and by the time i get GA, i feel like they already have too much stuff and they just own me. i never feel like any of his spells are nukes. i feel lik im just around throwing silence and slow with no real damage, and then blinking to clean up.
idk maybe hes just too hard for me.
on that note im having a really hard time finding a champ that i really like and am good with. it might have to do with hitting my elo wall and still not having practiced a char enough. kayle would prolly be my best char, but shes abit on the OP side and it seems she gets banned alot. morg i have fun with but i seem to have very up and down games with her. and im not very good with black shield, which usually gets some rage if we are losing. blitz was fun for me at lower elos, but he doesnt quite cut it for me now. i really want a char that is decent all game and can contribute very well to teamfights without being the carry. im really bad at carrying because i dont think i have the best decision making. which is consequently why im kinda bad at being a tank too. argh rage /end rant
Twisted Fate?
Katarina as well.
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Level 5 Pulse does 300 damage (at level 9), +24 with 0 stacks and Ring + Soul, also being AoE, cooling down in 5 seconds, and snares. Kassadin is all about abusing this. Over 10 seconds assuming his Pulse keeps being charged he'll output over 1500 damage over those two spells, and Golem/Elixir makes him do even more over a shorter amount of time. With Golem you end up doing like 1500 over ~7 seconds with 0 AP. Combined with another damager (or nuker) he can insta-gib people. Initial burst with Annie at level 9 is easily over 1200, and Kassadin has sustained burst and chases people down.
Incidentally if you can't get stacks it's because you're not being opportunistic enough (map control) or your teammates just can't get anything going. It sucks when that happens but you have to find a way to either get stacks, not make Soulstealer at all, sell it, etc.
On July 22 2010 12:25 Phrost wrote:
I won a ranked game with Malzahar, Mission impossible complete!
His ult can't be cleanse'd out of, I think he's actually a solid hero at the moment.
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Try doing Rod of Ages -> Zhonya on Kassadin and see if he feels more relevant. I don't get stacking items on pretty much anyone because if you have like 2 bad fights you're pretty much fucked and they delay your early game too much.
Also try to rely your game around getting golem and charging ulti like 3-4 times until you ulti on someone and spam your combo and then chase with ulti. It'll make you a lot more relevant and less dependant on your team doing damage. I don't like the disabler kassadin because honestly both Grandjudge and Kobe play him as an AP carry and I believe that's how he functions the best.
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Nice, thx for the Kass guide, im gonna try him out again 
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By the way I'll reiterate that Kassadin is a poke and wear-down hero. You should rarely enter a fight where their team is at full hp, and if that happens you just become an AoE nuker (with Pulse) and clean-up crew. It's rare that you get a full 5v5 where both teams have no hesitation initiating, though. And if it's a messy fight where someone's out of position, starts getting ganked, and it rolls into a 5v5 few heroes are as comfortable as Kassadin because he snares people (really fucks up re-positioning) and can easily re-position himself, save for teleport glitches. You also use Pulse like Volley - it's really annoying initiating into a Kassadin who's backpedaling and nuke/snaring you. It's amazing how much hate Kassadin picks up over a good game because he's so disruptive. I've had a fight start with an opponent Amumu trying to toss into me (teleport!) and then try to run in (pulse), then when he thought he might have a good ult shot I silenced and made him miss his chance, then I just ran past him to slow his teammates and then came right back to gib him as he ulted, etc. It's hectic.
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On July 22 2010 12:37 Southlight wrote:
By the way I'll reiterate that Kassadin is a poke and wear-down hero. You should rarely enter a fight where their team is at full hp, and if that happens you just become an AoE nuker (with Pulse) and clean-up crew. It's rare that you get a full 5v5 where both teams have no hesitation initiating, though. And if it's a messy fight where someone's out of position, starts getting ganked, and it rolls into a 5v5 few heroes are as comfortable as Kassadin because he snares people (really fucks up re-positioning) and can easily re-position himself, save for teleport glitches. You also use Pulse like Volley - it's really annoying initiating into a Kassadin who's backpedaling and nuke/snaring you. It's amazing how much hate Kassadin picks up over a good game because he's so disruptive. I've had a fight start with an opponent Amumu trying to toss into me (teleport!) and then try to run in (pulse), then when he thought he might have a good ult shot I silenced and made him miss his chance, then I just ran past him to slow his teammates and then came right back to gib him as he ulted, etc. It's hectic.
If you have a good initiator and decent coordination, do you know how much damage a 5 - 8 charge ulti -> E does in an AoE? A fuckton and after an initiation you can clean up incredibly easily. I seriously think he's completely wasted as a 0 damage poker.
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5 charges on Ult is 1500 mana (100 + 200 + 300 + 400 + 500)
Damage done is 60x5 or 90x5 or 120x5 + a flat 0.4 ratio. Aside from using the fountain teleport rift trick (charge it at fountain, teleport, then boom) it's not really viable until really, really late into a game, and draining 1500 mana pre-fight is always pretty hairy for such incredible damage.
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But I'm sorry, 300/450/600 + 0.4AP ratio is a fuckton of damage for 1500 mana. Why didn't I ever think of this?
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Well sorry, it's more like 60x15 or whatnot, but 1500 mana.
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Actually I was right, it's x5, because you're probably not landing every single one on them.
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Hence abusing a golem buff with RoA. You'll regen to full in about 20 seconds and you'll destroy them. After 5 charges from full mana you can actually ulti once more for the chasing and a massive finishing strike.
On July 22 2010 12:42 Southlight wrote:
5 charges on Ult is 1500 mana (100 + 200 + 300 + 400 + 500)
Damage done is 60x5 or 90x5 or 120x5 + a flat 0.4 ratio. Aside from using the fountain teleport rift trick (charge it at fountain, teleport, then boom) it's not really viable until really, really late into a game, and draining 1500 mana pre-fight is always pretty hairy for such incredible damage.
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But I'm sorry, 300/450/600 + 0.4AP ratio is a fuckton of damage for 1500 mana. Why didn't I ever think of this?
Guess what the opposing team thinks when they suddenly lose 75% of their HP?
EDIT2: yeah you basically rift around while waiting for the initiation, if they don't you'll just stop rifting about 3 and regen to full mana in no time with golem buff. Without golem you can't do this unless you stack archangels of course.
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Dude, instead of dicking around for 20 seconds charging up R to do a whopping 600+0.4AP damage at 5 charges for 1500 mana (at level 16), why don't you just stand there and poke them for 300+0.7/8AP over and over again? And when they initiate, which is rough to do through Silence/Snare, you'll most likely have it again for another 600+1.5AP burst, for about 250 mana, which is, amazingly, as much damage as your super charged R does -_-
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I mean, get this.
You're saying, instead of firing 300+0.7 and 300+0.8 salvos while waiting for initiation (and disrupting initiation because silence + snare is really annoying to initiate through) I should rift around in place, use up over a thousand mana, to do a grand 300/450/600 damage (at 5 charges), 6 charges would cost me 2100 mana, 7 would cost 2800, and 8 would cost 3600.
This makes 0 sense whatsoever.
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Kobe and Grandjudge both build Rod of Ages for Kassadin every game, Kobe rushes for Zhonya afterwards while Grandjudge got mejais.
And the reason is, because they won't be next to me when I'm charging my ulti and it's all situational of course wtf are you thinking, do you know that your ulti burst has Q and E after it and another incredibly damaging ulti 3 seconds later with the golem buff?
Maybe you know more about the game than both Kobe and Grandjudge. If you think so, well be my quest.
On July 22 2010 12:51 Southlight wrote:
I mean, get this.
You're saying, instead of firing 300+0.7 and 300+0.8 salvos while waiting for initiation (and disrupting initiation because silence + snare is really annoying to initiate through) I should rift around in place, use up over a thousand mana, to do a grand 300/450/600 damage (at 5 charges), 6 charges would cost me 2100 mana, 7 would cost 2800, and 8 would cost 3600.
This makes 0 sense whatsoever.
Golem regens you from 0 mana to 4000 mana in 15 seconds.
And why do you have to rift in place instead of harrassing with Q and E while charging? Do you always become stupid and get zero gamesense while trying something new or are you not thinking at all?
EDIT again: It doesn't even cost that much mana since you regen almost all of it back in between rifts. You can even charge it to the max, 10 stacks, and keep it up there if you rift barely often enough(with golem active)
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BLOW ME RIOT 2 RANKED LOSSES CAUSE OF YOUR STUPID ASS FISHER PRICE SERVERS
yes, lesson learned
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On July 22 2010 12:31 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 12:25 Phrost wrote:
I won a ranked game with Malzahar, Mission impossible complete! His ult can't be cleanse'd out of, I think he's actually a solid hero at the moment.
Suppression was added? I didn't read it in the patch notes.
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Yeah dude. Every night at 10pm est - 11pm is a massive lag spike. My whole team D/C it takes 4 tries to reconnect and when we do there 8 levels up on us.
I go to the forums to complain and my forum thread gets a closes automatically.
Im going to find a way to sue there ass
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On July 22 2010 12:51 Shikyo wrote:
Kobe and Grandjudge both build Rod of Ages for Kassadin every game, Kobe rushes for Zhonya afterwards while Grandjudge got mejais.
And the reason is, because they won't be next to me when I'm charging my ulti and it's all situational of course wtf are you thinking, do you know that your ulti burst has Q and E after it and another incredibly damaging ulti 3 seconds later with the golem buff?
Maybe you know more about the game than both Kobe and Grandjudge. If you think so, well be my quest.
Just because 2 top players who don't main a character builds a character a particular way doesn't mean someone who regularly queues w/ and against top players and actually mains the character can't build his main a different way...
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On July 22 2010 13:13 ArC_man wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 12:51 Shikyo wrote:
Kobe and Grandjudge both build Rod of Ages for Kassadin every game, Kobe rushes for Zhonya afterwards while Grandjudge got mejais.
And the reason is, because they won't be next to me when I'm charging my ulti and it's all situational of course wtf are you thinking, do you know that your ulti burst has Q and E after it and another incredibly damaging ulti 3 seconds later with the golem buff?
Maybe you know more about the game than both Kobe and Grandjudge. If you think so, well be my quest.
Just because 2 top players who don't main a character builds a character a particular way doesn't mean someone who regularly queues w/ and against top players and actually mains the character can't build his main a different way...
Yeah, his way just is worse and isn't playing the character to its fullest potential. He'll switch from this build when he realizes it's inferior, just like he did from the past one.
EDIT: And kobe might not main Kassadin, but it's clearly one of his most-played and he knows the champion.
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This game is pretty sick. I was playing today for the first time and on my third game, I was called a "reroll" and cursed out for ruining the game. I think it was my beastly micro from SC that led him to that conclusion  .
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Grandjudge has Kassadin as one of his most-played as well.
You say they don't main him, what's your source? You don't have to play one champion 5000 games to be good as him, they play many champions well and Kassadin is one of their most-played.
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