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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 16:27:29
July 20 2010 16:26 GMT
#7061
Ok, well, I'm perfectly happy to be proved wrong here, as I am pretty out of touch with mid-to-high-level play right now, but it always seemed like people who had that many creep kills were spending too long farming and not enough time actually with their team.

Even if they ended up with good scores, it was because their team carried them, they got lucky in the team fights they were actually present for, or the other team were really bad.

Exceptions to that would be games that dragged on longer than usual, with either team turtling up and creating a stalemate situation, which more often not leads to extra creep kills and free farming for somebody.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 20 2010 16:27 GMT
#7062
It's usually useless to have high creep stats. Sivir and Heimer just happen to rack up creep stats as they push. It's just "what they do" lol. You'll see abnormally high stats on heroes like Singed, too.

Certain heroes also farm ridiculously fast, and their team lets them because they're carries (Trist, Nasus).

On most other heroes, it's either worthless (Mord) or indicative of not helping (Ashe).
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
July 20 2010 16:27 GMT
#7063
well some heroes are just better at farming than others (we're talking about a high level Sivir here)


If you see a Shen with 250 CS, you've already lost.
it's my first day
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 20 2010 16:28 GMT
#7064
Yeah, it's Yiruru. Man's so greedy he robbed me while I was trying to kill wraith spawn a few times. SO GREEDY. fuuuuuuuuu.

It's okay he carried.
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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
July 20 2010 16:29 GMT
#7065
On July 21 2010 01:26 jtype wrote:
Ok, well, I'm perfectly happy to be proved wrong here, as I am pretty out of touch with mid-to-high-level play right now, but it always seemed like people who had that many creep kills were spending too long farming and not enough time actually with their team.

Even if they ended up with good scores, it was because their team carried them, they got lucky in the team fights they were actually present for, or the other team were really bad.

Exceptions to that would be games that dragged on longer than usual, with either team turtling up and creating a stalemate situation, which more often not leads to extra creep kills and free farming for somebody.


yea we actually all agree with you. we were just being buttholes and naming the exceptions =P
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
July 20 2010 16:29 GMT
#7066
I don't think I every really approach 200 as Nasus. I know he farms like a beast and can get loads, but I always find that, if I'm playing well, the game ends before I can even get that many.

I have always preferred to gain momentum through team fights and ganking, rather than just farming, even if my char is good at that.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 20 2010 16:30 GMT
#7067
On July 21 2010 01:29 jtype wrote:
I don't think I every really approach 200 as Nasus. I know he farms like a beast and can get loads, but I always find that, if I'm playing well, the game ends before I can even get that many.

I have always preferred to gain momentum through team fights and ganking, rather than just farming, even if my char is good at that.


Yes, I know. We all know, see Orpheos' post :D
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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 16:35:45
July 20 2010 16:31 GMT
#7068
On July 21 2010 01:29 Orpheos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 01:26 jtype wrote:
Ok, well, I'm perfectly happy to be proved wrong here, as I am pretty out of touch with mid-to-high-level play right now, but it always seemed like people who had that many creep kills were spending too long farming and not enough time actually with their team.

Even if they ended up with good scores, it was because their team carried them, they got lucky in the team fights they were actually present for, or the other team were really bad.

Exceptions to that would be games that dragged on longer than usual, with either team turtling up and creating a stalemate situation, which more often not leads to extra creep kills and free farming for somebody.


yea we actually all agree with you. we were just being buttholes and naming the exceptions =P


Haha! No no that's totally fine. Like I say I'm really out of touch, so I'm happy to have exceptions pointed out to me . :D


edit - South - You mentioned that you think Veigar is horrible now, I think. Why is that? I always found Viegar was one of those champs that was easy to play decently, but harder to play well than most people thought and when he was played well could really dominate right into the late game.

Has he been nerfed then? Or is it just that no one plays him well any more?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 20 2010 16:35 GMT
#7069
He got nerfed a couple patches ago. Hahahah.
A nerf in the name of buffing. Epic balancing fail.
Theoretically he got re-buffed last patch but I haven't seen him played since, so I'm not sure if it fixed him.
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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
July 20 2010 16:36 GMT
#7070
On July 21 2010 01:14 jtype wrote:
Well, I've never seen anyone get more than 250 creeps and still be providing any meaningful help to their team.

edit - in anything less than an epically long game.

I have always 200+ creeps with heimer
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
July 20 2010 16:36 GMT
#7071
On July 21 2010 01:31 jtype wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 01:29 Orpheos wrote:
On July 21 2010 01:26 jtype wrote:
Ok, well, I'm perfectly happy to be proved wrong here, as I am pretty out of touch with mid-to-high-level play right now, but it always seemed like people who had that many creep kills were spending too long farming and not enough time actually with their team.

Even if they ended up with good scores, it was because their team carried them, they got lucky in the team fights they were actually present for, or the other team were really bad.

Exceptions to that would be games that dragged on longer than usual, with either team turtling up and creating a stalemate situation, which more often not leads to extra creep kills and free farming for somebody.


yea we actually all agree with you. we were just being buttholes and naming the exceptions =P


Haha! No no that's totally fine. Like I say I'm really out of touch, so I'm happy to have exceptions pointed out to me . :D


edit - South. You mentioned that you think Veigar is horrible now, I think. Why is that? I always found Viegar was one of those champs that was easy to play decently, but harder to play well than most people thought and when he was played well could really dominate right into the late game.

Has he been nerfed then? Or is it just that no one plays him well any more?


its acutally funny what happened to him. riot had a patch where they did a massive overhaul of him, attempting to buff him like they did(successfully) with kayle. but they ended up inadvertently nerfing him. given they did make some of his stuff better, they completely shafted his ult.
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
July 20 2010 16:38 GMT
#7072
On July 21 2010 01:35 Southlight wrote:
He got nerfed a couple patches ago. Hahahah.
A nerf in the name of buffing. Epic balancing fail.
Theoretically he got re-buffed last patch but I haven't seen him played since, so I'm not sure if it fixed him.


Ah ok, fair enough. That's a shame as I used to enjoy playing him.

I can't be bothered to read through months of patch notes, but it does make it sorta difficult to catch up. I'm still going into the item shop and seeing stuff I never saw before.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 16:45:57
July 20 2010 16:42 GMT
#7073
I did hit top 100 with Morde, having an 80% winrate.. As long as you have two solo lanes he seems to do pretty well. Either in mid or in the 1v2 lane.

EDIT: Grammar
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 20 2010 16:44 GMT
#7074
On July 21 2010 01:15 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 01:12 Shikyo wrote:
Why do you think you cant get kills and assists with 300cs


Because that's like 50 creep waves, or like 25 minutes (I don't remember what the interval was), that you've spent waiting for and killing creep waves. And that's assuming you're getting every single one.

Yeah I guess you don't know how to farm, then, since I've had like 10-2-8 games with 300+ cs at 45 mins
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
July 20 2010 16:46 GMT
#7075
On July 21 2010 01:44 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 01:15 Southlight wrote:
On July 21 2010 01:12 Shikyo wrote:
Why do you think you cant get kills and assists with 300cs


Because that's like 50 creep waves, or like 25 minutes (I don't remember what the interval was), that you've spent waiting for and killing creep waves. And that's assuming you're getting every single one.

Yeah I guess you don't know how to farm, then, since I've had like 10-2-8 games with 300+ cs at 45 mins



But is 10-2-8 a decent score for a 45 minute game? I guess it depends on the champ, but 45 is pretty long.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 16:53:02
July 20 2010 16:50 GMT
#7076
On July 21 2010 01:46 jtype wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 01:44 Shikyo wrote:
On July 21 2010 01:15 Southlight wrote:
On July 21 2010 01:12 Shikyo wrote:
Why do you think you cant get kills and assists with 300cs


Because that's like 50 creep waves, or like 25 minutes (I don't remember what the interval was), that you've spent waiting for and killing creep waves. And that's assuming you're getting every single one.

Yeah I guess you don't know how to farm, then, since I've had like 10-2-8 games with 300+ cs at 45 mins



But is 10-2-8 a decent score for a 45 minute game? I guess it depends on the champ, but 45 is pretty long.

Okay then, I know I've already posted this once but:

[image loading]

226 minion kills at 29 minutes. Make it a 35min game and that's really close to 300. I had 4 tower kills and 11 champion kills. Do you really think I wasn't being useful to my team in this game? You probably just can't farm properly.

EDIT: About Ashe, I can take a screeny of the next 12-1-20 game my friend plays with Ashe where he has like 250 minion kills at 35 minutes. I don't know why you think she can't farm.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 16:55:01
July 20 2010 16:53 GMT
#7077
On July 21 2010 01:50 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 01:46 jtype wrote:
On July 21 2010 01:44 Shikyo wrote:
On July 21 2010 01:15 Southlight wrote:
On July 21 2010 01:12 Shikyo wrote:
Why do you think you cant get kills and assists with 300cs


Because that's like 50 creep waves, or like 25 minutes (I don't remember what the interval was), that you've spent waiting for and killing creep waves. And that's assuming you're getting every single one.

Yeah I guess you don't know how to farm, then, since I've had like 10-2-8 games with 300+ cs at 45 mins



But is 10-2-8 a decent score for a 45 minute game? I guess it depends on the champ, but 45 is pretty long.

Okay then, I know I've already posted this once but:

[image loading]

226 minion kills at 29 minutes. Make it a 35min game and that's really close to 300. I had 4 tower kills and 11 champion kills. Do you really think I wasn't being useful to my team in this game? You probably just can't farm properly.


Easy there dude. I'm simply just asking.

Well done for your performance in that game. I'm sure you could teach me a thing or two about farming.


edit - and also, you said 45 mins originally, which is massively different to 29-35 mins.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 20 2010 16:54 GMT
#7078
On July 21 2010 01:16 Southlight wrote:
DotA is different, as is HoN, because both games revolve around "carry heroes," whom are expected to farm and then hit critical mass.


i can't speak for HoN but this isn't really the case for dota. in fact i'd go so far as to say that ganking is even more important in dota than in LoL. having 2 champs that roam from lane to lane, ganking during the entire laning phase is not at all uncommon at higher levels. there are a lot of things that LoL does well, but one thing it does wrong is not losing gold for dying. dota is a way more gank-oriented game because if you can kill a critical support hero or their carry several times, you can negate their farming.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 17:01:03
July 20 2010 16:55 GMT
#7079
Watch hotshotgg games for awesome farming while also being useful~

On July 21 2010 01:54 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 01:16 Southlight wrote:
DotA is different, as is HoN, because both games revolve around "carry heroes," whom are expected to farm and then hit critical mass.


i can't speak for HoN but this isn't really the case for dota. in fact i'd go so far as to say that ganking is even more important in dota than in LoL. having 2 champs that roam from lane to lane, ganking during the entire laning phase is not at all uncommon at higher levels. there are a lot of things that LoL does well, but one thing it does wrong is not losing gold for dying. dota is a way more gank-oriented game because if you can kill a critical support hero or their carry several times, you can negate their farming.

Let's see... what do the names sGty and ZSMJ bring to your mind?

EDIT: Just in case it's nothing, he's probably the most well-known for what's described in the first 13 seconds of this video:

League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
July 20 2010 17:00 GMT
#7080
Free farming is usually pretty bad, but farming while pushing down towers and lanes is pretty helpful for your team, since you're forcing at least one of their team members to come stop you, it won't result in a 4v5 elsewhere across the map, assuming proper map awareness.
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