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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
July 19 2010 19:46 GMT
#6881
i dont think ashe is OP, she is just a champion that is good at what she does. simple and well designed.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 19:51:17
July 19 2010 19:48 GMT
#6882
I do pretty well mid usually as Karthus, except on some occasions I tend to get pushed back to my turret by highly aggressive harassers but thats not such a big of deal as long as I keep them off the turret. Then I just pop ghost Wall and defile the fuck out of them with LW :D
Never Knows Best.
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
July 19 2010 20:25 GMT
#6883
Question: Why are regen items considered bad, when people are saying that healing teams are (were) amazing?
Whaaaa?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
July 19 2010 20:27 GMT
#6884
On July 20 2010 03:50 Shikyo wrote:
Gragas is a good solo mid as well, Veigar is the worst solo mid

E: I really would prefer a good Nid or Kat at mid over Annie, although I guess Annie can use the mid pretty effortlessly and her gameplay at mid is quite streamlined in comparison

I don't know what your criteria is but eve/shaco/warwick/soraka are all way worse solo mid.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 19 2010 20:29 GMT
#6885
On July 20 2010 05:25 Misder wrote:
Question: Why are regen items considered bad, when people are saying that healing teams are (were) amazing?

gradual HP regen < bursting HP heals

that's like asking why Malzahar isn't as good a nuker as Annie...
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 19 2010 20:29 GMT
#6886
On July 20 2010 05:27 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 03:50 Shikyo wrote:
Gragas is a good solo mid as well, Veigar is the worst solo mid

E: I really would prefer a good Nid or Kat at mid over Annie, although I guess Annie can use the mid pretty effortlessly and her gameplay at mid is quite streamlined in comparison

I don't know what your criteria is but eve/shaco/warwick/soraka are all way worse solo mid.

errrrrr

soraka rapes face solo mid, no idea what you're talking about.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 20:30:55
July 19 2010 20:29 GMT
#6887
On July 20 2010 05:27 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 03:50 Shikyo wrote:
Gragas is a good solo mid as well, Veigar is the worst solo mid

E: I really would prefer a good Nid or Kat at mid over Annie, although I guess Annie can use the mid pretty effortlessly and her gameplay at mid is quite streamlined in comparison

I don't know what your criteria is but eve/shaco/warwick/soraka are all way worse solo mid.


Actually Soraka kicks ass solo mid, it's just usually a waste because Soraka tends to not be able to carry (the same way I feel about Janna, who's a competent 1v2/1v1, but she, too, struggles to actually stop the carry from farming, and a farmed carry > a farmed Janna). If there's any support hero that's gonna solo that I'd prefer Soraka.

Edit:
There was actually a game a week ago where Kass struggled against solo Janna, and the Kass was like NEED GANK TOP NEED GANK TOP really urgently and I was like bitch, it's Janna.

To no surprise (except maybe the Kass) 25 minutes later their Janna still didn't accomplish anything.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 20:33:20
July 19 2010 20:32 GMT
#6888
On July 20 2010 04:13 Fruscainte wrote:
Had to play Ashe instead of Xin when someone else took him on my team, since I build them pretty similarly anyways. Jesus Christ, I forgot how OP ashe is :3


ashe isn't that great i think
kinda sux until late in the game and even then u need some disablers in front of you or you are gonna get stun + insta die

maybe im just a noob though
but since i switched from ashe to ez ive been doing 1000x better. every part of the game is easier.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 19 2010 20:33 GMT
#6889
Ashe is mostly a support hero and an initiator (via Arrow), once of the best in the game at that, but certainly not top-tier and is rough (and boring!) to play.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
July 19 2010 20:36 GMT
#6890
ashe is kinda cool in that she is at least useful regardless of farm, her arrow is a fantastic initiator, she has a great aoe slow and a built in clairvoyance, imo she's not OP, but still provides a looot of utility to any team.
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 19 2010 20:36 GMT
#6891
Kayle and Morgana are also pretty solid solo-mids. Kayle is really good against most of the "God tier" solo mids because her burst is huge and she can heal.

I've yet to lose to ashe, annie, katarina, or ezreal solo mid as kayle.

Morgana is probably better as a 2v1 or a 2v2 instead of solo mid because she can farm really well even against two but she doesn't bring a lot to the table when shes outleveling most champions.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
July 19 2010 20:37 GMT
#6892
I mean what is your definition of "kicking ass solo mid" because basically she'll push a tower not as well as heimer and she can only save people from ganks with her ultimate, unable to gank herself, and essentially if you're allowed to solo mid you have a super farmed support char.

I'll give you that she's hard to kill and she harasses really well, but I'd pretty much rather have veigar there every day.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
July 19 2010 20:42 GMT
#6893
@ zerg, i actually remember reading a particular soraka solo mid strat that centered around infinite starcall and basically mad pushing/harassing and basically shutting down the mid lane, ofc i read this a long time ago (either during beta or just after release), so it may not be viable anymore, but at one point, soraka was great in mid.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 19 2010 20:43 GMT
#6894
Problem with Veigar as solo mid is that if he goes vs anyone decent he has no lane control and is going to get denied hard and destroyed
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
July 19 2010 20:44 GMT
#6895
So I packed up my computer last Thursday to move in today, now we delayed it a week, so I'm stuck with my shitty laptop. As a result, I created a new smurf and am trying out Kassadin instead of doing ranked play. He's hilariously fun but I have no idea what I'm doing. Normally I go Dorans -> Mercs/tabi -> Zhonya's -> Whatever I want.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 20:49:02
July 19 2010 20:46 GMT
#6896
She still is a great mid just a useless one. Her only saving grace of her going mid is the possibility that she will shut down their carry, but the chances of that happening are probably pretty low. Most likely scenario is that she'll have your tower down to half health while you've just been last hitting best you can.

Also I got whooped by a Xin mid. I couldn't harass him hard enough with my mystic shot and I couldn't auto attack him enough because of the creep and his stupid ass charge > burst. Actually that whole team was retarded it was Udyr, Xin, Garen, Kayle and Zilean. We didn't have enough damage to take down any of their beefy ass melee and when we were forced to have to attack them even if we finally did manage to hurt one there'd be Kayle/Zil ult to just lol on our faces.
Retvrn to Forvms
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
July 19 2010 20:48 GMT
#6897
On July 20 2010 05:29 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 05:25 Misder wrote:
Question: Why are regen items considered bad, when people are saying that healing teams are (were) amazing?

gradual HP regen < bursting HP heals

that's like asking why Malzahar isn't as good a nuker as Annie...


That's reasonable. My second question is why was intervening locket popular prenerf? I don't understand it help pushing if the other team can just 5v5 the other team, rendering the locket useless.
Whaaaa?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 19 2010 20:49 GMT
#6898
On July 20 2010 05:42 barbsq wrote:
@ zerg, i actually remember reading a particular soraka solo mid strat that centered around infinite starcall and basically mad pushing/harassing and basically shutting down the mid lane, ofc i read this a long time ago (either during beta or just after release), so it may not be viable anymore, but at one point, soraka was great in mid.

It's kind of like a taric going mid. The taric can do amazingly at mid and go like 2-0, but then your team fails and loses really fast. Why might that be?
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 20:53:23
July 19 2010 20:50 GMT
#6899
The locket was amazing on people who could spam skills like Soraka/Udyr because it was seriously unlimited mana and a very decent amount of health regen for the entire team. It's not that easy to just force a 5v5 if the other team doesn't want to either. They can just fall back, while chipping away your health with a character like ezreal or ashe and then the locket soraka can spam heal/spam mana regen your entire team back to full while they are forced to go back to the fountain.
Retvrn to Forvms
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 20:54:58
July 19 2010 20:54 GMT
#6900
On July 20 2010 05:48 Misder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 05:29 Mogwai wrote:
On July 20 2010 05:25 Misder wrote:
Question: Why are regen items considered bad, when people are saying that healing teams are (were) amazing?

gradual HP regen < bursting HP heals

that's like asking why Malzahar isn't as good a nuker as Annie...


That's reasonable. My second question is why was intervening locket popular prenerf? I don't understand it help pushing if the other team can just 5v5 the other team, rendering the locket useless.

you just keep kiting back and even if they have an initiator just let janna blow shit away, have shen ult the person getting focused and taunt everything+ turn on the OP shield prenerf. Then you're all full hp while the other team is torn to little pieces. Then u take down the inhib and Gg
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