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On July 20 2010 05:48 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 05:29 Mogwai wrote:On July 20 2010 05:25 Misder wrote:
Question: Why are regen items considered bad, when people are saying that healing teams are (were) amazing? gradual HP regen < bursting HP heals that's like asking why Malzahar isn't as good a nuker as Annie... That's reasonable. My second question is why was intervening locket popular prenerf? I don't understand it help pushing if the other team can just 5v5 the other team, rendering the locket useless.
it's because the metagame revolved around a pre-fight poking period. Super long ranged guys would just set up shop and harass your team while waiting for the actual fight to break out. Hastily starting a 5v5 is difficult and it would usually fail and result in a bit of kiting that would just get you poked more. So the back and forth poking would usually occur for awhile and having a locket would let you just mitigate all that pre-fight damage for your team while simultaneously keeping everyone topped off on mana.
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On July 20 2010 05:48 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 05:29 Mogwai wrote:On July 20 2010 05:25 Misder wrote:
Question: Why are regen items considered bad, when people are saying that healing teams are (were) amazing? gradual HP regen < bursting HP heals that's like asking why Malzahar isn't as good a nuker as Annie... That's reasonable. My second question is why was intervening locket popular prenerf? I don't understand it help pushing if the other team can just 5v5 the other team, rendering the locket useless.
There are quite a few heroes that could take advantage of locket to do tons of heals to creeps and push down towers. With multiple ppl doing so and several with escape mechanisms or heals (locket udyr, soraka, alistair for example), the heals would stack up and teams with multiple lockets and spammable heals become unkillable as well as pushing to victory with shittons of creeps (since they dont die with all the heals). This strat was subsequently nerfed to death with the nerfing of aoe heals in general. Also, just think about the synergy of locket + spammable heals, the mana return means that you can spam more often and you get yet another aoe heal, it wasn't that locket itself was amazing, it was the redic synergy that went with heroes like soraka and alistair who had good heals already and stacking another on top of it.
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On July 20 2010 05:54 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 05:48 Misder wrote:On July 20 2010 05:29 Mogwai wrote:On July 20 2010 05:25 Misder wrote:
Question: Why are regen items considered bad, when people are saying that healing teams are (were) amazing? gradual HP regen < bursting HP heals that's like asking why Malzahar isn't as good a nuker as Annie... That's reasonable. My second question is why was intervening locket popular prenerf? I don't understand it help pushing if the other team can just 5v5 the other team, rendering the locket useless. you just keep kiting back and even if they have an initiator just let janna blow shit away, have shen ult the person getting focused and taunt everything+ turn on the OP shield prenerf. Then you're all full hp while the other team is torn to little pieces. Then u take down the inhib and Gg
lol those were the good old days huh?
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On July 20 2010 05:49 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 05:42 barbsq wrote:
@ zerg, i actually remember reading a particular soraka solo mid strat that centered around infinite starcall and basically mad pushing/harassing and basically shutting down the mid lane, ofc i read this a long time ago (either during beta or just after release), so it may not be viable anymore, but at one point, soraka was great in mid. It's kind of like a taric going mid. The taric can do amazingly at mid and go like 2-0, but then your team fails and loses really fast. Why might that be?
Taric and Soraka are different - Soraka can kinda carry because if she farms well and builds AP she does a ridiculous amount of damage while healing a lot. As I said, of all the support that can go mid (including stuff like Zilean) Soraka IMO is by far the best choice. It's just, between Soraka and like, an Ezreal mid I'd rather take the Ezreal mid, because he'll output more damage faster. If there's a second solo I would gladly put a Soraka there, though. A tank (Taric) mid, however, is significantly more useless. Unless you try to pull an AP Taric but that doesn't usually work too well AFAIK.
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On July 20 2010 05:56 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 05:49 Shikyo wrote:On July 20 2010 05:42 barbsq wrote:
@ zerg, i actually remember reading a particular soraka solo mid strat that centered around infinite starcall and basically mad pushing/harassing and basically shutting down the mid lane, ofc i read this a long time ago (either during beta or just after release), so it may not be viable anymore, but at one point, soraka was great in mid. It's kind of like a taric going mid. The taric can do amazingly at mid and go like 2-0, but then your team fails and loses really fast. Why might that be? Taric and Soraka are different - Soraka can kinda carry because if she farms well and builds AP she does a ridiculous amount of damage while healing a lot. As I said, of all the support that can go mid (including stuff like Zilean) Soraka IMO is by far the best choice. It's just, between Soraka and like, an Ezreal mid I'd rather take the Ezreal mid, because he'll output more damage faster. If there's a second solo I would gladly put a Soraka there, though. A tank (Taric) mid, however, is significantly more useless. Unless you try to pull an AP Taric but that doesn't usually work too well AFAIK.
Soraka really can't do much dmg and can't even build that much AP or she gets killed instantly, and if your other lanes are suffering because they lack a healer or your carry cant get enough farm because soraka, a support, is hogging it all, well... I don't think it's a good idea.
Putting Soraka on a solo lane is a complete waste, if your lanes really are rock-solid I'd much rather pick a Katarina or Annie or Nidalee than a Soraka.
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tbh, i agree in many ways that many others are 100% better than soraka getting a solo lane, a goddamn free fountain in my lane? wtb 4 sure, its just that if you have no other viable solos, soraka isnt the worst option out there.
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If you have no heroes viable for solo laning(weak early game), your 2 other lanes are going to feed hardcore
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On July 20 2010 06:03 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 05:56 Southlight wrote:On July 20 2010 05:49 Shikyo wrote:On July 20 2010 05:42 barbsq wrote:
@ zerg, i actually remember reading a particular soraka solo mid strat that centered around infinite starcall and basically mad pushing/harassing and basically shutting down the mid lane, ofc i read this a long time ago (either during beta or just after release), so it may not be viable anymore, but at one point, soraka was great in mid. It's kind of like a taric going mid. The taric can do amazingly at mid and go like 2-0, but then your team fails and loses really fast. Why might that be? Taric and Soraka are different - Soraka can kinda carry because if she farms well and builds AP she does a ridiculous amount of damage while healing a lot. As I said, of all the support that can go mid (including stuff like Zilean) Soraka IMO is by far the best choice. It's just, between Soraka and like, an Ezreal mid I'd rather take the Ezreal mid, because he'll output more damage faster. If there's a second solo I would gladly put a Soraka there, though. A tank (Taric) mid, however, is significantly more useless. Unless you try to pull an AP Taric but that doesn't usually work too well AFAIK. Soraka really can't do much dmg and can't even build that much AP or she gets killed instantly, and if your other lanes are suffering because they lack a healer or your carry cant get enough farm because soraka, a support, is hogging it all, well... I don't think it's a good idea. Putting Soraka on a solo lane is a complete waste, if your lanes really are rock-solid I'd much rather pick a Katarina or Annie or Nidalee than a Soraka.
Nowadays most of the top Sorakas build AP. I see mostly Doran -> Zhon -> X these days. Yiruru going Doran -> Zhon -> Mejai -> Levi and getting 20/20 was hilarious, he owned a Trist straight-up 1v1 like 35 minutes into a game.
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On July 20 2010 06:03 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 05:56 Southlight wrote:On July 20 2010 05:49 Shikyo wrote:On July 20 2010 05:42 barbsq wrote:
@ zerg, i actually remember reading a particular soraka solo mid strat that centered around infinite starcall and basically mad pushing/harassing and basically shutting down the mid lane, ofc i read this a long time ago (either during beta or just after release), so it may not be viable anymore, but at one point, soraka was great in mid. It's kind of like a taric going mid. The taric can do amazingly at mid and go like 2-0, but then your team fails and loses really fast. Why might that be? Taric and Soraka are different - Soraka can kinda carry because if she farms well and builds AP she does a ridiculous amount of damage while healing a lot. As I said, of all the support that can go mid (including stuff like Zilean) Soraka IMO is by far the best choice. It's just, between Soraka and like, an Ezreal mid I'd rather take the Ezreal mid, because he'll output more damage faster. If there's a second solo I would gladly put a Soraka there, though. A tank (Taric) mid, however, is significantly more useless. Unless you try to pull an AP Taric but that doesn't usually work too well AFAIK. Soraka really can't do much dmg and can't even build that much AP or she gets killed instantly, and if your other lanes are suffering because they lack a healer or your carry cant get enough farm because soraka, a support, is hogging it all, well... I don't think it's a good idea. Putting Soraka on a solo lane is a complete waste, if your lanes really are rock-solid I'd much rather pick a Katarina or Annie or Nidalee than a Soraka.
I'd rather take hte solo lane with Kayle over Soraka any day because an overlevel Kayle can do so much bursty damage she's still able to throw heals around and when a Kayle gets super farmed and gets a really fast Nashor/Guinsoo combo she's sooo hard to stop with just having to shield and speed boost out of trouble heal upa little bit and do more burst damage. Nashor + stacking CDR runes and masteries so that you turn Kayle into a ranged hero while building AP for heal scaling and decent E damage scaling makes her pretty sturdy you can get into situations where if I'm carrying hard I'll even pick up a phantom dancer and with those added dodges plus mega attackspeed + crit she just gets even worse.
Ive been loving Kayle recently and don't get me wrong a team with soraka and Kayle on it is the most annoying thing in the world (or the best thing in the world depending on which side) but I'll kick a Soraka out of solo lane with Kayle every time.
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If the tris wasn't locodoco that really doesn't mean much <_> I can do fine with AP Sivir, doesn't mean it ultimately is viable
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im like 90% sure that yiruru is the guy who wrote what i was talking about earlier :o
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On July 20 2010 05:44 deth2munkies wrote:
So I packed up my computer last Thursday to move in today, now we delayed it a week, so I'm stuck with my shitty laptop. As a result, I created a new smurf and am trying out Kassadin instead of doing ranked play. He's hilariously fun but I have no idea what I'm doing. Normally I go Dorans -> Mercs/tabi -> Zhonya's -> Whatever I want.
I've played so far like 15 games with kass so i'm not the best example, but i usually open doran's (unless i'm really sure i'm gonna have easy lane) and then build something like mejai or catalyst (sometimes both) -> GA -> (if catalyst then banshees if not then just elixirs cause i probably will use all money on wards anyway and not get more than 1,5k)
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? . ? I've never said anything about Soraka
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I'm really looking forward for practice games to come back, I want to do more 1v1's 
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God Nidalee is so fun. First character I've actually felt like I needed to spam stuff with my left hand. Cougar mode rawr!
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HoN or LoL?
I've been playing HoN for about a year now, and the server lag is really starting to piss me off.
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As someone who has played a fair bit of DoTA HoN and LoL I can honestly say that LoL is the game i find the most enjoyable. I also find the LoL community to be the best, though the HoN community is probably better for the competitive aspects of the genre.
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On July 20 2010 08:11 Athos wrote:
God Nidalee is so fun. First character I've actually felt like I needed to spam stuff with my left hand. Cougar mode rawr!
Udyr and Akali~
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I love playing against bad Alistair/Trist/Singed. They do the dumbest things with their tosses. Most of the time it's throwing me out of a dogpile, but this game I played last night had a Singed throw me right on top of the Karthus I was chasing. Got the kill and got out. Good times.
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I find DotA/HoN lend themselve more to 'holy shit' moments of individual play(while still obviously revolving around team play) than LoL, which probably suits high end competition more. I find LoL infinitely more fun for casual/mildly competitive playing though.
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