• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:12
CET 23:12
KST 07:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage13Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23
StarCraft 2
General
Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top? Liquibets sc2 season 30 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament iNu's Battles #22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage BW General Discussion screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool [BW] Looking for Clan Thread!
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [$1250] International ShieldBattery League Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13300 users

League of Legends [New forum, check OP!] - Page 346

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 344 345 346 347 348 1431 Next
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 19 2010 20:54 GMT
#6901
On July 20 2010 05:48 Misder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 05:29 Mogwai wrote:
On July 20 2010 05:25 Misder wrote:
Question: Why are regen items considered bad, when people are saying that healing teams are (were) amazing?

gradual HP regen < bursting HP heals

that's like asking why Malzahar isn't as good a nuker as Annie...


That's reasonable. My second question is why was intervening locket popular prenerf? I don't understand it help pushing if the other team can just 5v5 the other team, rendering the locket useless.

it's because the metagame revolved around a pre-fight poking period. Super long ranged guys would just set up shop and harass your team while waiting for the actual fight to break out. Hastily starting a 5v5 is difficult and it would usually fail and result in a bit of kiting that would just get you poked more. So the back and forth poking would usually occur for awhile and having a locket would let you just mitigate all that pre-fight damage for your team while simultaneously keeping everyone topped off on mana.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
July 19 2010 20:55 GMT
#6902
On July 20 2010 05:48 Misder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 05:29 Mogwai wrote:
On July 20 2010 05:25 Misder wrote:
Question: Why are regen items considered bad, when people are saying that healing teams are (were) amazing?

gradual HP regen < bursting HP heals

that's like asking why Malzahar isn't as good a nuker as Annie...


That's reasonable. My second question is why was intervening locket popular prenerf? I don't understand it help pushing if the other team can just 5v5 the other team, rendering the locket useless.


There are quite a few heroes that could take advantage of locket to do tons of heals to creeps and push down towers. With multiple ppl doing so and several with escape mechanisms or heals (locket udyr, soraka, alistair for example), the heals would stack up and teams with multiple lockets and spammable heals become unkillable as well as pushing to victory with shittons of creeps (since they dont die with all the heals). This strat was subsequently nerfed to death with the nerfing of aoe heals in general. Also, just think about the synergy of locket + spammable heals, the mana return means that you can spam more often and you get yet another aoe heal, it wasn't that locket itself was amazing, it was the redic synergy that went with heroes like soraka and alistair who had good heals already and stacking another on top of it.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
July 19 2010 20:56 GMT
#6903
On July 20 2010 05:54 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 05:48 Misder wrote:
On July 20 2010 05:29 Mogwai wrote:
On July 20 2010 05:25 Misder wrote:
Question: Why are regen items considered bad, when people are saying that healing teams are (were) amazing?

gradual HP regen < bursting HP heals

that's like asking why Malzahar isn't as good a nuker as Annie...


That's reasonable. My second question is why was intervening locket popular prenerf? I don't understand it help pushing if the other team can just 5v5 the other team, rendering the locket useless.

you just keep kiting back and even if they have an initiator just let janna blow shit away, have shen ult the person getting focused and taunt everything+ turn on the OP shield prenerf. Then you're all full hp while the other team is torn to little pieces. Then u take down the inhib and Gg


lol those were the good old days huh?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 19 2010 20:56 GMT
#6904
On July 20 2010 05:49 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 05:42 barbsq wrote:
@ zerg, i actually remember reading a particular soraka solo mid strat that centered around infinite starcall and basically mad pushing/harassing and basically shutting down the mid lane, ofc i read this a long time ago (either during beta or just after release), so it may not be viable anymore, but at one point, soraka was great in mid.

It's kind of like a taric going mid. The taric can do amazingly at mid and go like 2-0, but then your team fails and loses really fast. Why might that be?


Taric and Soraka are different - Soraka can kinda carry because if she farms well and builds AP she does a ridiculous amount of damage while healing a lot. As I said, of all the support that can go mid (including stuff like Zilean) Soraka IMO is by far the best choice. It's just, between Soraka and like, an Ezreal mid I'd rather take the Ezreal mid, because he'll output more damage faster. If there's a second solo I would gladly put a Soraka there, though. A tank (Taric) mid, however, is significantly more useless. Unless you try to pull an AP Taric but that doesn't usually work too well AFAIK.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 19 2010 21:03 GMT
#6905
On July 20 2010 05:56 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 05:49 Shikyo wrote:
On July 20 2010 05:42 barbsq wrote:
@ zerg, i actually remember reading a particular soraka solo mid strat that centered around infinite starcall and basically mad pushing/harassing and basically shutting down the mid lane, ofc i read this a long time ago (either during beta or just after release), so it may not be viable anymore, but at one point, soraka was great in mid.

It's kind of like a taric going mid. The taric can do amazingly at mid and go like 2-0, but then your team fails and loses really fast. Why might that be?


Taric and Soraka are different - Soraka can kinda carry because if she farms well and builds AP she does a ridiculous amount of damage while healing a lot. As I said, of all the support that can go mid (including stuff like Zilean) Soraka IMO is by far the best choice. It's just, between Soraka and like, an Ezreal mid I'd rather take the Ezreal mid, because he'll output more damage faster. If there's a second solo I would gladly put a Soraka there, though. A tank (Taric) mid, however, is significantly more useless. Unless you try to pull an AP Taric but that doesn't usually work too well AFAIK.

Soraka really can't do much dmg and can't even build that much AP or she gets killed instantly, and if your other lanes are suffering because they lack a healer or your carry cant get enough farm because soraka, a support, is hogging it all, well... I don't think it's a good idea.

Putting Soraka on a solo lane is a complete waste, if your lanes really are rock-solid I'd much rather pick a Katarina or Annie or Nidalee than a Soraka.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
July 19 2010 21:07 GMT
#6906
tbh, i agree in many ways that many others are 100% better than soraka getting a solo lane, a goddamn free fountain in my lane? wtb 4 sure, its just that if you have no other viable solos, soraka isnt the worst option out there.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 19 2010 21:10 GMT
#6907
If you have no heroes viable for solo laning(weak early game), your 2 other lanes are going to feed hardcore
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 19 2010 21:12 GMT
#6908
On July 20 2010 06:03 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 05:56 Southlight wrote:
On July 20 2010 05:49 Shikyo wrote:
On July 20 2010 05:42 barbsq wrote:
@ zerg, i actually remember reading a particular soraka solo mid strat that centered around infinite starcall and basically mad pushing/harassing and basically shutting down the mid lane, ofc i read this a long time ago (either during beta or just after release), so it may not be viable anymore, but at one point, soraka was great in mid.

It's kind of like a taric going mid. The taric can do amazingly at mid and go like 2-0, but then your team fails and loses really fast. Why might that be?


Taric and Soraka are different - Soraka can kinda carry because if she farms well and builds AP she does a ridiculous amount of damage while healing a lot. As I said, of all the support that can go mid (including stuff like Zilean) Soraka IMO is by far the best choice. It's just, between Soraka and like, an Ezreal mid I'd rather take the Ezreal mid, because he'll output more damage faster. If there's a second solo I would gladly put a Soraka there, though. A tank (Taric) mid, however, is significantly more useless. Unless you try to pull an AP Taric but that doesn't usually work too well AFAIK.

Soraka really can't do much dmg and can't even build that much AP or she gets killed instantly, and if your other lanes are suffering because they lack a healer or your carry cant get enough farm because soraka, a support, is hogging it all, well... I don't think it's a good idea.

Putting Soraka on a solo lane is a complete waste, if your lanes really are rock-solid I'd much rather pick a Katarina or Annie or Nidalee than a Soraka.


Nowadays most of the top Sorakas build AP. I see mostly Doran -> Zhon -> X these days. Yiruru going Doran -> Zhon -> Mejai -> Levi and getting 20/20 was hilarious, he owned a Trist straight-up 1v1 like 35 minutes into a game.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
July 19 2010 21:16 GMT
#6909
On July 20 2010 06:03 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 05:56 Southlight wrote:
On July 20 2010 05:49 Shikyo wrote:
On July 20 2010 05:42 barbsq wrote:
@ zerg, i actually remember reading a particular soraka solo mid strat that centered around infinite starcall and basically mad pushing/harassing and basically shutting down the mid lane, ofc i read this a long time ago (either during beta or just after release), so it may not be viable anymore, but at one point, soraka was great in mid.

It's kind of like a taric going mid. The taric can do amazingly at mid and go like 2-0, but then your team fails and loses really fast. Why might that be?


Taric and Soraka are different - Soraka can kinda carry because if she farms well and builds AP she does a ridiculous amount of damage while healing a lot. As I said, of all the support that can go mid (including stuff like Zilean) Soraka IMO is by far the best choice. It's just, between Soraka and like, an Ezreal mid I'd rather take the Ezreal mid, because he'll output more damage faster. If there's a second solo I would gladly put a Soraka there, though. A tank (Taric) mid, however, is significantly more useless. Unless you try to pull an AP Taric but that doesn't usually work too well AFAIK.

Soraka really can't do much dmg and can't even build that much AP or she gets killed instantly, and if your other lanes are suffering because they lack a healer or your carry cant get enough farm because soraka, a support, is hogging it all, well... I don't think it's a good idea.

Putting Soraka on a solo lane is a complete waste, if your lanes really are rock-solid I'd much rather pick a Katarina or Annie or Nidalee than a Soraka.


I'd rather take hte solo lane with Kayle over Soraka any day because an overlevel Kayle can do so much bursty damage she's still able to throw heals around and when a Kayle gets super farmed and gets a really fast Nashor/Guinsoo combo she's sooo hard to stop with just having to shield and speed boost out of trouble heal upa little bit and do more burst damage. Nashor + stacking CDR runes and masteries so that you turn Kayle into a ranged hero while building AP for heal scaling and decent E damage scaling makes her pretty sturdy you can get into situations where if I'm carrying hard I'll even pick up a phantom dancer and with those added dodges plus mega attackspeed + crit she just gets even worse.

Ive been loving Kayle recently and don't get me wrong a team with soraka and Kayle on it is the most annoying thing in the world (or the best thing in the world depending on which side) but I'll kick a Soraka out of solo lane with Kayle every time.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 19 2010 21:16 GMT
#6910
If the tris wasn't locodoco that really doesn't mean much <_> I can do fine with AP Sivir, doesn't mean it ultimately is viable
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
July 19 2010 21:16 GMT
#6911
im like 90% sure that yiruru is the guy who wrote what i was talking about earlier :o
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
July 19 2010 21:27 GMT
#6912
On July 20 2010 05:44 deth2munkies wrote:
So I packed up my computer last Thursday to move in today, now we delayed it a week, so I'm stuck with my shitty laptop. As a result, I created a new smurf and am trying out Kassadin instead of doing ranked play. He's hilariously fun but I have no idea what I'm doing. Normally I go Dorans -> Mercs/tabi -> Zhonya's -> Whatever I want.

I've played so far like 15 games with kass so i'm not the best example, but i usually open doran's (unless i'm really sure i'm gonna have easy lane) and then build something like mejai or catalyst (sometimes both) -> GA -> (if catalyst then banshees if not then just elixirs cause i probably will use all money on wards anyway and not get more than 1,5k)
Yiruru
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada690 Posts
July 19 2010 22:15 GMT
#6913
? . ? I've never said anything about Soraka
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
July 19 2010 22:47 GMT
#6914
I'm really looking forward for practice games to come back, I want to do more 1v1's
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
July 19 2010 23:11 GMT
#6915
God Nidalee is so fun. First character I've actually felt like I needed to spam stuff with my left hand. Cougar mode rawr!
Jadix
Profile Joined September 2004
United States134 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 23:19:22
July 19 2010 23:19 GMT
#6916
HoN or LoL?

I've been playing HoN for about a year now, and the server lag is really starting to piss me off.
Razamataz
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada135 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 23:38:48
July 19 2010 23:37 GMT
#6917
As someone who has played a fair bit of DoTA HoN and LoL I can honestly say that LoL is the game i find the most enjoyable. I also find the LoL community to be the best, though the HoN community is probably better for the competitive aspects of the genre.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 19 2010 23:49 GMT
#6918
On July 20 2010 08:11 Athos wrote:
God Nidalee is so fun. First character I've actually felt like I needed to spam stuff with my left hand. Cougar mode rawr!

Udyr and Akali~
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
July 19 2010 23:50 GMT
#6919
I love playing against bad Alistair/Trist/Singed. They do the dumbest things with their tosses. Most of the time it's throwing me out of a dogpile, but this game I played last night had a Singed throw me right on top of the Karthus I was chasing. Got the kill and got out. Good times.
it's my first day
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 19 2010 23:51 GMT
#6920
I find DotA/HoN lend themselve more to 'holy shit' moments of individual play(while still obviously revolving around team play) than LoL, which probably suits high end competition more. I find LoL infinitely more fun for casual/mildly competitive playing though.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Prev 1 344 345 346 347 348 1431 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
3D!Clan Event
01:30
Autumn Series Playoffs
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 568
Nathanias 56
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 294
soO 14
910 12
LuMiX 12
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps1893
gobbtv198
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox86
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu681
Other Games
tarik_tv5403
summit1g5073
Grubby1979
fl0m941
shahzam458
B2W.Neo448
PiGStarcraft309
syndereN147
C9.Mang0129
ZombieGrub61
Railgan41
Mew2King38
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 50
• FirePhoenix17
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV524
Other Games
• imaqtpie1232
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
11h 48m
KCM Race Survival
11h 48m
WardiTV Invitational
13h 48m
OSC
1d
ArT vs MindelVK
MiniZergUA vs TBD
Shameless vs TBD
Ultimate Battle
1d 13h
OSC
2 days
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
IPSL
2 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
BSL
2 days
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
3 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
3 days
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-09
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.