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On July 12 2010 23:46 Southlight wrote:
Nashor's stats are based on amounts of Nashor kills, just like how Roshan got stronger after every kill, IIRC.
Baron spawns like 15 minutes in at the earliest (if I'm not mistaken?). There're team compositions that can rush Baron at 15 minutes but it's highly risky because if they ward it (as they should) and they catch you, you're pretty screwed, and of course they can see you building for it (multiple Razors).
psh, who needs multiple razors? Heimer + Shaco, I don't even think you need another dude to mitigate damage.
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On July 12 2010 23:48 BluzMan wrote:
Bleh, killing Rosh the moment he spawns and then ending stuff with one decisive push was the most fun thing to do.
In LoL, Baron hits like a truck, so being caught doing it will often lead to a decisive COUNTERpush post-kill. Flipside one of the dangers of a Heimerpush at the moment is that he can duo Baron upon spawn pretty easily, and of course a Baron + Golem Heimerpush is filthy. It's not like DotA where Roshan hits like a 5-year old girl and gives you a single flimsy revive.
On July 12 2010 23:48 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 23:46 Southlight wrote:
Nashor's stats are based on amounts of Nashor kills, just like how Roshan got stronger after every kill, IIRC.
Baron spawns like 15 minutes in at the earliest (if I'm not mistaken?). There're team compositions that can rush Baron at 15 minutes but it's highly risky because if they ward it (as they should) and they catch you, you're pretty screwed, and of course they can see you building for it (multiple Razors). psh, who needs multiple razors? Heimer + Shaco, I don't even think you need another dude to mitigate damage.
Aside from the usual Shaco/Heimer or Heimer/Taric or Heimer/WW suspect, what was really popular back in the day was MegaZero's 5-smite setup with like 3 Razors that just killed it really fast, obviously they've nerfed it by setting his spawn time to 15, but stacking Razors on a bunch of attack speed heroes (Sivir, Warwick etc) is the "safest" way to do it as it'll punch him down really fast.
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couldn't Troll Warlord solo Rosh at like, level 5 or something no problem?
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Venomancer could solo Rosh at level 1, lol, but it took a while, IIRC.
There were some team comps, IIRC stuff that included Syllabear and such, that would just Rosh at level 1.
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I play Pink Taric, and I'm in the middle of redesigning my item build. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated..
Mana Manipulator
Boots
Finish Soul Shroud
Finish Boots of Swiftness
Stinger
Fiendish Codex
Finish Nashor's Tooth
(Game usually ends here)
Aegis or Zhonya's Ring
Zhonya's Ring or Aegis
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At higher elos the most consistent Taric build I've seen is Clarity/Ghost and going Doran's Ring -> Guardian Angel -> Aegis.
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On July 12 2010 15:14 Southlight wrote:More to Smash than anyone else: http://www.lolbase.net/matches/view/US29331639Yeah, after that fucking pathetic game where I got my ass beat down by Swoozee cuz I picked Ashe. Edit: Pokey might recognize that as statikk's build. Hahah. Steal what works, eh.
yea, didn't he pick Panth mad quick?
I'm really pissed to see that he sucks ass with Panth with how fucking quickly he was picking him last night. (doran's blade... REALLY?)
also related, Skilly was in a game with me last night and he sucked massive dick during laning with his Ez (which is usually alright).
On July 13 2010 00:01 Southlight wrote:
At higher elos the most consistent Taric build I've seen is Clarity/Ghost and going Doran's Ring -> Guardian Angel -> Aegis.
I can second this, this is quite literally the only Taric build I see anymore.
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Going Soul Shroud first? Interesting, never thought about doing that.
Don't get Nashor's Tooth.
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oh and also, it's always treads on Taric from what I've seen.
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On July 13 2010 00:03 Mogwai wrote:yea, didn't he pick Panth mad quick? I'm really pissed to see that he sucks ass with Panth with how fucking quickly he was picking him last night. (doran's blade... REALLY?) also related, Skilly was in a game with me last night and he sucked massive dick during laning with his Ez (which is usually alright).
I carried the fuck out of them, lol. Everyone was a meatshield. The only other decent player on our team was Udyr, but he played way the fuck too aggressively (died twice jungling on their side early in the game). And ofc King going rampage-mode from the start by double-killing Garen and Udyr, getting double buff, and pushing down tower in 10 minutes is a recipe for disaster... thank god their Ashe sucked, and a sucky Ashe is food for a Soulstealer Kassadin >_<
Murloc needs to stick to tanks, too.
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my game with cFang last night was really funny (the one before you got on). when it got to teamfights, cFang (on singed) literally just ran around me the entire time doing nothing, waiting on me to heartseeker before he tossed. so I would just run around tossing spears and he would shadow me for the entire length of the fight doing nothing but waiting. then his whole team would be dead and we'd quadruple team him. I felt kinda bad that his team sucked badly enough that their underleveled singed completely taking our solo mid (me) out of teamfights still wasn't enough for them to even break even in those fights.
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They didn't have any other disable? That's pretty fail :x
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they had Singha's fail pantheon who pretty much just tickled with his HSS and evaporated in 5 seconds after I stomped his nuts back to the stone age with a level 2 FB. and um, I wanna say an Ashe as well, but she was always initiating with her arrow, which pretty much never led to a kill.
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On July 13 2010 00:01 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote:
I play Pink Taric, and I'm in the middle of redesigning my item build. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated..
Mana Manipulator
Boots
Finish Soul Shroud
Finish Boots of Swiftness
Stinger
Fiendish Codex
Finish Nashor's Tooth
(Game usually ends here)
Aegis or Zhonya's Ring
Zhonya's Ring or Aegis
Were you the one I played with? Exhaust/Ignite was definitely very weird for Taric. Yeah it'll get you kills against the low level people, but eventually you'll have to play to Taric's strengths to get the best out of him, so Clarity will help a ton. Clarity/Ghost like the others said would be much better imo.
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Oh god, rushing double NLR on Cho is SUCH a strong build. You nuke AoE for 305+160 with 5 points in rupture at level 11 plus feast does 550+80 and scream gets ~90 bonus damage too, regardless of how many points you have in it. My new build is regen boots NLR NLR GA with Boots of Swiftness somewhere inbetween and if the game is gonna go late warmogs, while if it isn't, just giant's belt into either Rylai's or finishing Zhonya's. You hit SO hard and tank everything and holy shit Chogath is so fun to play.
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I run Ghost / Flash on Taric, but Clarity is definitely a possibility.
Items I run:
Doran's + Pot
Boots1
GA
Treads
For there it depends, you can do Aegis, Spirit Visage, Soul Shroud, etc.
If the game is a blowout or you get put in with a bunch of feeders going Dorans -> Zhonya's -> Mejai is hilarious.
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Flash can dodge autotarget projectiles, right? Is it only certain skills? This game I was in yesterday, I had solo top Shen vs another solo top Shen and one of my vorpal blades followed him after he flashed for a kill.
(I totally crushed him btw, running ignite/ghost with doran's shield + Hp pot vs his flash/ghost and ruby crystal, the lane was mine before the minions spawned)
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He has to time it so he uses Flash after you fire the projectile. If he casts it too fast (ie. during pre-cast animation) then he'll Flash, then your projectile fires and chases him anyways.
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On July 12 2010 23:53 Mogwai wrote:
couldn't Troll Warlord solo Rosh at like, level 5 or something no problem?
I don't think so, he needed to be a lot higher and it took a while.
Ulfsaar though could solo Roshan extremely easily at lvl 6 because of his bullshit passive(which also makes him extremely overpowered vs every non-pro team).
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So anyone wanna talk Kat with me? This is how I've been playing her:
Summoner Ability
Ghost/Ignite
Skills
EQEQEREQEQRQWWWRWW
Items
Doran's Shield
Sorcerer's Shoes
Rylai's Scepter
Zhonya's Ring
Void Staff
w/e
My Strat
I'll use E to get easy last hits and when I hit level 2 I start using the EQ combo to get a last hit and some damage on the enemy champ. If they get low enough hp and I'm sure I can close it out I'll use the EQ combo on them and finish them off with an ignite. Typically no one plays that recklessly though so I wait until I hit level 6 then I usually get the kill and after that I start roaming around for ganks.
In team fights I basically wait for it to start, wait a second or two then throw a Q, E in and R. After that EQ is usually off cooldown again so I'll throw another one of each if needed.
Any tips or suggestions for the way I play her?
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