EPTPretty much, Tryndamere is absolutely useless because he can be shut down with cc and can't do anything about it, Jax has AoE stun every 3 seconds with blue buff and AoE damage and 2.5 attack speed after a while.
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Pretty much, Tryndamere is absolutely useless because he can be shut down with cc and can't do anything about it, Jax has AoE stun every 3 seconds with blue buff and AoE damage and 2.5 attack speed after a while. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Neither, Trynd and Jax are both underwhelming at the moment. They're both supposedly hard carries that only work at lower elos because people let them farm, and once in a blue moon they'll "take off" in a high-elo game. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
*edited out the bro because i hate when people do that to me | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 10 2010 11:52 Orpheos wrote: i really dont want to turn this into a flame thing but shikyo you need to chill out bro. i feel like every post you make on this thread is insulting someone or not contributing very much. not that i do much of the latter, but still. lets keep this thread friendly. Well I've actually contributed alot if you've read the thread. Given many different builds, talked about lasthitting and everything else, I don't know what you're talking about. If someone I've never heard of wants to give me advice, maybe they could try to be correct first if they don't want me to say something about them being wrong, perhaps. It's probably the overly sarcastic manner of speech that I use that gives such an unfriendly image, but well that's what I always do. | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On July 10 2010 11:52 Shikyo wrote: have you even played with dyrus jax though -___-? i'd actually prefer guardsman bob's jax. but even he said that jax is more useless than eve atm.Dyrus jax is pretty beastly, and only Jax works at low ELO, trynd feeds especially well at low elo, even worse than normal. edit: also stop bitching about being in the "wrong elo" and losing with a positive kdr. step up and get in the "right elo" by not kill-whoring but playing a team-oriented character. complain about solo que all you want but i'm pretty sure all of TL's high elo players got there by carrying in solo que. you're not the only one to have a solid kdr and lose. you're the only one to post screenshots and bitch about it though. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Veigar is the master at making people forget he's there. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On July 10 2010 11:52 Shikyo wrote: Dyrus jax is pretty beastly, and only Jax works at low ELO, trynd feeds especially well at low elo, even worse than normal. Well I've actually contributed alot if you've read the thread. Given many different builds, talked about lasthitting and everything else, I don't know what you're talking about. If someone I've never heard of wants to give me advice, maybe they could try to be correct first if they don't want me to say something about them being wrong, perhaps. It's probably the overly sarcastic manner of speech that I use that gives such an unfriendly image, but well that's what I always do. i think its the fact that you think you are really good(and you probably are) and so when someone says something that you dont agree with you get really aggressive and belittling and try to make them out to be stupid. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 10 2010 11:53 redtooth wrote: have you even played with dyrus jax though -___-? i'd actually prefer guardsman bob's jax. but even he said that jax is more useless than eve atm. No, I play on EU. Jax has been pretty underwhelming yeah, but I've had.... uhhh very moderate success with a kind of an AP-ish build with Jax using the new Gunblade for the imba spell vamp and lifesteal. It lets Jax pick people off with the slow and I'm building him kind of tanky and with stuff like Rylai's, Abyssal, and later Atmas, you get a lot more tankyness than normal and your ulti still gives you amazing lifesteal. Still eh I'm not a very good Jax myself but >_> EDIT: oh and I've only seen his Jax on livestream, I think he at least used to be pretty good O_o still prefer singed | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On July 10 2010 11:53 redtooth wrote: have you even played with dyrus jax though -___-? i'd actually prefer guardsman bob's jax. but even he said that jax is more useless than eve atm. He's mid-elo at Euro, so I doubt it, unless Dyrus made a Euro account. I've been rocked by Dan Dinh's Jax once but I felt like that was more my team trying to rush things, and we had too much physical damage, or something weird like that. Like we pushed down their inhib cuz he was just jungling ALL GAME, and then he popped out and triple-killed us a few times, QQ us. Moar like bad team comp amirite alolol? -_- Since switching to Kass I've just laughed at every Jax/Nidalee. They're such terrible heroes. Edit: On a related note, is guardsman bob good? I've only seen his WW and it didn't seem special (actually cost his team a game once), hahah. Man I need to start seeing some peoples' "mains" more often, lol. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 10 2010 11:44 Shikyo wrote: Thanks a lot for your advice, too bad it is absolutely horrendous. Veigar can't carry you say, and you suggest Karthus? Do you know anything about the game, just wondering? Summoner names please so I can go check the win/loss and kill/death ratios? oh right, and if Veigar can't gank early, how do I gank early with him then? Hacks? In the games I lost, if I played my main, Tryndamere, I wouldn't have been able to do anything at all in the game before losing it since my team loses the game in 15-20 minutes every time unless I absolutely megacarry them. Yep, bursting any non-tank champ to death with ulti and half hp without is pretty bad burst. Dude chill out, all you do is read a post, look at a w/l and then talk shit. Sad thing is, your w/l is trash, and that's on the euro server.... You're making this thread worse than the Hon/Dota thread. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On July 10 2010 10:35 r33k wrote: Thx Shikyo, at least now I know what Akali is supposed to do... But more in detail, by chasing do you mean that I would expect her to dive low hp targets and survive? Since you mentioned that she's basically useless in teamfights, what does she have while laning that katarina doesn't? Even AoE spells briefly decloak Akali, frankly I always found her cloak overrated... imo akali is horrid at laning until level 6, kat on the other hand has an insanely strong laning phase. i think akali should jungle and gank stuff similar to ww during early-mid game. and her shroud is actually decent to escape with if you have flash which is kind of a must to have on her since her ult doesnt target friendly units: in a team fight ult in to kill a squishy and flash out | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 10 2010 11:57 HazMat wrote: Dude chill out, all you do is read a post, look at a w/l and then talk shit. Sad thing is, your w/l is trash, and that's on the euro server.... You're making this thread worse than the Hon/Dota thread. Wait, what? No that's wrong, I think I only know Utahime's and Mogwai's. Do you agree with his advice? It's important to see the stats of a person with questionable advice to see if they actually know what they're talking about. And I know very well my W/L is trash, I also know I'm slightly better than my friend who's +54 and we premade really often. -_- No idea about the hon/dota thread, I think it's only bad because it's so super inactive and I think that this is a lot better anyway. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On July 10 2010 11:53 redtooth wrote: edit: also stop bitching about being in the "wrong elo" and losing with a positive kdr. step up and get in the "right elo" by not kill-whoring but playing a team-oriented character. complain about solo que all you want but i'm pretty sure all of TL's high elo players got there by carrying in solo que. you're not the only one to have a solid kdr and lose. you're the only one to post screenshots and bitch about it though. I got there by... 1) Leaching off of Baikinman's Blitzcrank, before he got nerfed by a thousand cuts 2) Abusing broken heroes (Taric, Sivir, Soraka, Janna) Edit: And Udyr. 3) Leaching off of Mogwai's Pantheon Yeah boy! | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On July 10 2010 11:56 Southlight wrote: i feel like bob is the best jax i've seen so far. he's not on that ethereal plane leaps and bounds above the same-character competition (maknoon, hotshotgg, chauster, etc). he's like that ryze you mentioned - the best one you've seen who knows all the tricks there is to the character but not someone you dread playing again. i've seen him jungle jax, 1v2 jax (and DOMINATE), mid jax, etc etc. he's a solid jax player.On a related note, is guardsman bob good? I've only seen his WW and it didn't seem special (actually cost his team a game once), hahah. Man I need to start seeing some peoples' "mains" more often, lol. | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On July 10 2010 12:02 Southlight wrote: i got there by stealing TT's dragon/lizard 5 times a game with ezreal's ult.I got there by... 1) Leaching off of Baikinman's Blitzcrank, before he got nerfed by a thousand cuts 2) Abusing broken heroes (Taric, Sivir, Soraka, Janna) Edit: And Udyr. 3) Leaching off of Mogwai's Pantheon Yeah boy! | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On July 10 2010 12:04 redtooth wrote: i feel like bob is the best jax i've seen so far. he's not on that ethereal plane leaps and bounds above the same-character competition (maknoon, hotshotgg, chauster, etc). he's like that ryze you mentioned - the best one you've seen who knows all the tricks there is to the character but not someone you dread playing again. i've seen him jungle jax, 1v2 jax (and DOMINATE), mid jax, etc etc. he's a solid jax player. Guess he's like Wazzabi's WW, hahah. Yeah I've only run into him WWing like 3 times. Kind of a pity, but because I've only gone into the +100s in the past few weeks I've prolly just caught him as he's drifted off of Jax. Edit: Though Wazzabi's WW isn't really that scary anymore 'cause he hardly plays. Much more afraid of xdog's WW (oddly enough). Man made a smart career move LOL | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On July 10 2010 12:02 Shikyo wrote: AD annie is awesome.Wait, what? No that's wrong, I think I only know Utahime's and Mogwai's. Do you agree with his advice? It's important to see the stats of a person with questionable advice to see if they actually know what they're talking about. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 10 2010 12:07 redtooth wrote: AD annie is awesome. You sure? Her attack animation is pretty poor so I prefer ASPD annie | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On July 10 2010 11:44 Shikyo wrote: Thanks a lot for your advice, too bad it is absolutely horrendous. Veigar can't carry you say, and you suggest Karthus? Do you know anything about the game, just wondering? Summoner names please so I can go check the win/loss and kill/death ratios? oh right, and if Veigar can't gank early, how do I gank early with him then? Hacks? In the games I lost, if I played my main, Tryndamere, I wouldn't have been able to do anything at all in the game before losing it since my team loses the game in 15-20 minutes every time unless I absolutely megacarry them. Yep, bursting any non-tank champ to death with ulti and half hp without is pretty bad burst. The fact you think W/L means something is very telling. You shouldn't worry about that sort of thing, hell, even going positive isn't important as a support character, so long as you either push the towers, keep your team up, and use your abilities at the right times. Vieger is shit at the beginning because, while his skills have good AP ratios, they don't do the damage needed to kill someone until mid-game when you have a few items and have farmed minions with baleful. Are you trying to tell me you ganked someone with baleful/ignite? Not unless you had a Yi or Trynd with exhaust beating on them first. Sure, you can pick off noobs that over-extend themselves and play it safe for a good KDR, but it doesn't help your team win in the long run. Off topic: I just had literally the best game I ever played with Cxmod/A Purple Cow and a couple other people from liquidparty. Taric/Soraka/Gragas/Anivia/Nid and won in 20 minutes. Everyone landed stuns right when they needed to on Panth/Kat when they did their channels and we utterly wrecked them with only 5 deaths. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On July 10 2010 12:09 deth2munkies wrote: Off topic: I just had literally the best game I ever played with Cxmod/A Purple Cow and a couple other people from liquidparty. Taric/Soraka/Gragas/Anivia/Nid and won in 20 minutes. Everyone landed stuns right when they needed to on Panth/Kat when they did their channels and we utterly wrecked them with only 5 deaths. HEAL TEAM! + one that has essentially a free GA. | ||
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