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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 03:46:01
July 10 2010 03:11 GMT
#4941
on that note, i'm qued with hotshot's nidalee. get to watch some magic happen.

edit: http://tv.zeroboy.net/clgame
yiruru is there too.

edit2: lol he's 1-4 so far.
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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 10 2010 03:12 GMT
#4942
On July 10 2010 11:51 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 11:49 r33k wrote:
On July 10 2010 10:35 kdgns wrote:
On July 10 2010 09:47 r33k wrote:
A small question, what am I supposed to expect from Akali and Tyndamere? Mind you I'm not asking you how to deal with them, I mostly play tanks and know their places in my stun priority line, what I'm asking is what are they good at? Especially Akali, what does she do? I have never seen anyone play one as well as to make me say "wow, this is the best character for this situation, no other character could have done this better".

At my level (20s) it's more common to see a generally considered lowest tier Eve do a lot better than Akalis and Tryndameres, at least some teams can't properly manage their oracles and our blue-faced assassin can end the game with a good k/d/a ratio.


tryndamere is a hard carry, also very difficult to play properly, if you are not at the highest elo bracket, in a team fight you just ignor tryndamere, kill everyone else, then cc him to death, and feed off him early game. In higher elos, you'll need to finish the game before tryndamere gets his items, or else he'll 1v5 your team.

Akali is a high burst dps with good chasing abilities, she is able to finish people off and then get away

You're thinking about Jax...

Pretty much, Tryndamere is absolutely useless because he can be shut down with cc and can't do anything about it, Jax has AoE stun every 3 seconds with blue buff and AoE damage and 2.5 attack speed after a while.

50% dodge at lv 14 also forces many non-fates to get SotD. Depending on what I face ok Jax I go either tabi/raegblade/phantom dancer or tabi/raegblade/vamp/gunblade, starting with either doran's shield+pot or cloth armor+3hp+1mana.

On July 10 2010 12:01 Frolossus wrote:
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On July 10 2010 10:35 r33k wrote:
Thx Shikyo, at least now I know what Akali is supposed to do... But more in detail, by chasing do you mean that I would expect her to dive low hp targets and survive? Since you mentioned that she's basically useless in teamfights, what does she have while laning that katarina doesn't? Even AoE spells briefly decloak Akali, frankly I always found her cloak overrated...

imo akali is horrid at laning until level 6, kat on the other hand has an insanely strong laning phase. i think akali should jungle and gank stuff similar to ww during early-mid game. and her shroud is actually decent to escape with if you have flash which is kind of a must to have on her since her ult doesnt target friendly units: in a team fight ult in to kill a squishy and flash out

Idk why so many people rate her shroud so high, All the characters I play (Sion Jax Alistar) have some sort of PBAoE which does hit+ uncloak her. The only way an Akali can use shroud to escape in my experience is to cast it right besides a bush, but ranged harassers will rarely be focusing so hard on being defensive.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 10 2010 03:14 GMT
#4943
On July 10 2010 12:02 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 11:57 HazMat wrote:
On July 10 2010 11:44 Shikyo wrote:
On July 10 2010 11:38 deth2munkies wrote:
On July 10 2010 11:28 Chrispy wrote:
Here's my advice: Try being someone not Veigar and maybe when you've got the most cs and are fed you'll be able to carry your team to victory.

Pretty much.

In solo queues, always play a carry that can win if fed. I play Taric in premades and Karthus in solo queue, for instance.

Veiger is just trash at the beginning, so you can't early gank, and even if you DO get stacked, you only kill 1 person. Not good for solo queues, but good on burst premades.
Thanks a lot for your advice, too bad it is absolutely horrendous. Veigar can't carry you say, and you suggest Karthus? Do you know anything about the game, just wondering? Summoner names please so I can go check the win/loss and kill/death ratios?

oh right, and if Veigar can't gank early, how do I gank early with him then? Hacks? In the games I lost, if I played my main, Tryndamere, I wouldn't have been able to do anything at all in the game before losing it since my team loses the game in 15-20 minutes every time unless I absolutely megacarry them.

On July 10 2010 11:44 Southlight wrote:
No, he really doesn't :x

Yep, bursting any non-tank champ to death with ulti and half hp without is pretty bad burst.

Dude chill out, all you do is read a post, look at a w/l and then talk shit.
Sad thing is, your w/l is trash, and that's on the euro server....
You're making this thread worse than the Hon/Dota thread.

Wait, what? No that's wrong, I think I only know Utahime's and Mogwai's. Do you agree with his advice? It's important to see the stats of a person with questionable advice to see if they actually know what they're talking about.

And I know very well my W/L is trash, I also know I'm slightly better than my friend who's +54 and we premade really often. -_-

No idea about the hon/dota thread, I think it's only bad because it's so super inactive and I think that this is a lot better anyway.

What does that tell you about questioning ones skill through checking their w/l?
Yup
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 03:26:56
July 10 2010 03:15 GMT
#4944
On July 10 2010 12:11 redtooth wrote:
on that note, i'm qued with hotshot's nidalee. get to watch some magic happen.

edit: http://tv.zeroboy.net/clgame
yiruru is there too.

The game before this one Yiruru went Veigar and lost
Hooray for TL representation though.
edit: Hotshot called you good
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
July 10 2010 03:16 GMT
#4945
On July 10 2010 12:12 r33k wrote:
Idk why so many people rate her shroud so high, All the characters I play (Sion Jax Alistar) have some sort of PBAoE which does hit+ uncloak her. The only way an Akali can use shroud to escape in my experience is to cast it right besides a bush, but ranged harassers will rarely be focusing so hard on being defensive.

shroud near a bush and use flash to juke them
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 03:16:55
July 10 2010 03:16 GMT
#4946
On July 10 2010 12:11 redtooth wrote:
on that note, i'm qued with hotshot's nidalee. get to watch some magic happen.

edit: http://tv.zeroboy.net/clgame
yiruru is there too.

Slideshow for me...


On July 10 2010 12:16 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 12:12 r33k wrote:
Idk why so many people rate her shroud so high, All the characters I play (Sion Jax Alistar) have some sort of PBAoE which does hit+ uncloak her. The only way an Akali can use shroud to escape in my experience is to cast it right besides a bush, but ranged harassers will rarely be focusing so hard on being defensive.

shroud near a bush and use flash to juke them


Why does your flash have 15 sec cooldown?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
July 10 2010 03:16 GMT
#4947
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=159721

5v5 tourney sponsored by Intel and Alienware.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 10 2010 03:23 GMT
#4948
On July 10 2010 12:16 Southlight wrote:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=159721

5v5 tourney sponsored by Intel and Alienware.

Wow that's awesome, really glad LoL is going competetive. E-SPORTS!
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 10 2010 03:25 GMT
#4949
On July 10 2010 12:09 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 11:44 Shikyo wrote:
On July 10 2010 11:38 deth2munkies wrote:
On July 10 2010 11:28 Chrispy wrote:
Here's my advice: Try being someone not Veigar and maybe when you've got the most cs and are fed you'll be able to carry your team to victory.

Pretty much.

In solo queues, always play a carry that can win if fed. I play Taric in premades and Karthus in solo queue, for instance.

Veiger is just trash at the beginning, so you can't early gank, and even if you DO get stacked, you only kill 1 person. Not good for solo queues, but good on burst premades.
Thanks a lot for your advice, too bad it is absolutely horrendous. Veigar can't carry you say, and you suggest Karthus? Do you know anything about the game, just wondering? Summoner names please so I can go check the win/loss and kill/death ratios?

oh right, and if Veigar can't gank early, how do I gank early with him then? Hacks? In the games I lost, if I played my main, Tryndamere, I wouldn't have been able to do anything at all in the game before losing it since my team loses the game in 15-20 minutes every time unless I absolutely megacarry them.

On July 10 2010 11:44 Southlight wrote:
No, he really doesn't :x

Yep, bursting any non-tank champ to death with ulti and half hp without is pretty bad burst.



The fact you think W/L means something is very telling. You shouldn't worry about that sort of thing, hell, even going positive isn't important as a support character, so long as you either push the towers, keep your team up, and use your abilities at the right times.

Vieger is shit at the beginning because, while his skills have good AP ratios, they don't do the damage needed to kill someone until mid-game when you have a few items and have farmed minions with baleful. Are you trying to tell me you ganked someone with baleful/ignite? Not unless you had a Yi or Trynd with exhaust beating on them first.

Sure, you can pick off noobs that over-extend themselves and play it safe for a good KDR, but it doesn't help your team win in the long run.


Off topic:

I just had literally the best game I ever played with Cxmod/A Purple Cow and a couple other people from liquidparty. Taric/Soraka/Gragas/Anivia/Nid and won in 20 minutes. Everyone landed stuns right when they needed to on Panth/Kat when they did their channels and we utterly wrecked them with only 5 deaths.

First of all, I don't use ignite.

Second, I still would like to see the W/L and K/D. If they use a support, I'd take that into account. Oh right, and Veigar actually has relatively mediocre AP ratios.

Early game I farm with Veigar, but he certainly can kill people when he gets his ulti. Stun DM Baleful Ulti combination can do about 450 damage to most people, and in combination with your lane partner might be able to kill someone. It's not necessary though, Veigar doesn't mind farming and increasing his AP.

If you're solo mid(Veigar's not too good of a solo mid because he doesn't have the mana for harrassing or anything) it's a lot harder to get a kill until your lane opponent goes back or the laning phase just ends after a while. If a teammates of yours is good though and comes to gank the mid, Veigar can generally help enough with the kill.

Veigar isn't exactly an early game champion but he still can burst someone with the help of a teammate. After he goes back for the first time and gets the Catalyst or whatever, it's going to become a lot easier to control your lane. If they don't have cleanse, you can horizon -> DM -> baleful all day until they're low enough to be killed by one full combo. It's quite a remarkable transformation, to be honest. At this point, it's pretty normal to get some kills, you can also DM any jungle camp while travelling and lasthit every jungle creep with Baleful for the extra AP. At this point in game I like to just lasthit with baleful and if the situation arises, do a stun -> DM -> (baleful) combo at them and well, you'll gain some lane control.

The stun should be able to net you some kills along with some of your teammates, although Veigar can't really solokill anyone from full hp at this point. You just keep farming everything you can and use your stun along with your combo to kill stuff with your team. Blahblah rod of ages, baleful farm -> amazing AP.

Then near the end of the game you can pick off any AP champ that doesn't have a super high mres and other squishies as well, wonder why I even wrote all this O_o No idea, maybe someone will pick something useful from it.

"Sure, you can pick off noobs that over-extend themselves and play it safe for a good KDR, but it doesn't help your team win in the long run." Sigh -.- I always defend towers and ping people to defend them, ping team to do dragon, ask people to gank even if it's not on my lane(like if I'm bot and think it'd be good, I ask ryze at top lane to gank mid), and so on. I don't just pick off people to abuse KDR or something -_-

Oh well, maybe ranked mode will have less terrible players.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Onisparda
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada516 Posts
July 10 2010 03:29 GMT
#4950
Hotshotgg sure whines alot lol
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 03:34:35
July 10 2010 03:29 GMT
#4951
Lol if that's Hotshot talking he's kind of raging/lzgamer sighing all over the place with this game haha.

Lol damn what a slaughter.
Retvrn to Forvms
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 10 2010 03:33 GMT
#4952
Hotshot is playing really bad lol.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 10 2010 03:43 GMT
#4953
Man, what would season 1 be without new skins?

[image loading]
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Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
July 10 2010 03:49 GMT
#4954
Wow, that Udyr skin is hot.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
July 10 2010 03:51 GMT
#4955
On July 10 2010 12:33 HazMat wrote:
Hotshot is playing really bad lol.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
why????
when i just said he was leaps and bounds above his opponents with nidalee?
why????????
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 10 2010 03:52 GMT
#4956
On July 10 2010 12:51 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 12:33 HazMat wrote:
Hotshot is playing really bad lol.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
why????
when i just said he was leaps and bounds above his opponents with nidalee?
why????????

Wait what?
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
July 10 2010 03:55 GMT
#4957
On July 10 2010 12:52 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 12:51 redtooth wrote:
On July 10 2010 12:33 HazMat wrote:
Hotshot is playing really bad lol.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
why????
when i just said he was leaps and bounds above his opponents with nidalee?
why????????

Wait what?
reason why i posted that i was being streamed was that you guys could watch his nidalee and be wowed by it. my earlier post his nidalee was on an 'ethereal plane' (lol) leaps and bounds above other nidalees.

then he starts 0-4 lol.
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
July 10 2010 03:55 GMT
#4958
Is that udyr skin supposed to be super saiyan Udyr? Looks awesome anyway.
Retvrn to Forvms
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 03:57:02
July 10 2010 03:55 GMT
#4959
On July 10 2010 12:14 HazMat wrote:
What does that tell you about questioning ones skill through checking their w/l?
Yup
I also mentioned KD though, and it tells me that the avg K:D of my top 3 chars is about 2.1 : 1 -.-


Hmm the Yi was really stupid, guess you can never escape those genius people even at the high elos o_O

On July 10 2010 12:55 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 12:52 HazMat wrote:
On July 10 2010 12:51 redtooth wrote:
On July 10 2010 12:33 HazMat wrote:
Hotshot is playing really bad lol.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
why????
when i just said he was leaps and bounds above his opponents with nidalee?
why????????

Wait what?
reason why i posted that i was being streamed was that you guys could watch his nidalee and be wowed by it. my earlier post his nidalee was on an 'ethereal plane' (lol) leaps and bounds above other nidalees.

then he starts 0-4 lol.

And he complained about having no team the whole time, think he also said that the kat was useless at some point :/ That was really poorly played by him although the Yi was even worse
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 10 2010 03:56 GMT
#4960
On July 10 2010 12:55 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 12:14 HazMat wrote:
What does that tell you about questioning ones skill through checking their w/l?
Yup
I also mentioned KD though, and it tells me that the avg K:D of my top 3 chars is about 2.1 : 1 -.-


Hmm the Yi was really stupid, guess you can never escape those genius people even at the high elos o_O

Do you ever stop bragging lol.
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