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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 09 2010 04:41 GMT
#4781
Well twitch gets to 2.3 aspd from just his skills so the only aspd item he needs it phantom dancer, and even that is solely for the crit, dodge and speed. But yeah, I agree =)
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 04:56:17
July 09 2010 04:49 GMT
#4782
Sotd with every 4th hit doing 100 magic dmg rocks with high AS. I need to put it back into my WW build at some point..

The last time i had enough gold after bloodrazor for a BF sword the game was already over.
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
July 09 2010 05:00 GMT
#4783
On July 09 2010 13:49 Khul Sadukar wrote:
Sotd with every 4th hit doing 100 magic dmg rocks with high AS.


/facepalm

I need to put it back into my WW build at some point..

The last time i had enough gold after bloodrazor for a BF sword the game was already over.


Oh, right, I forgot to mention that if you have abilities like WW's ultimate that deal 100% damage from on-hit effects but less damage from AD, then on-hit items are definitely great buys.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
July 09 2010 05:20 GMT
#4784
On July 09 2010 13:32 APurpleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2010 05:29 Mogwai wrote:
0/9/21, 9/0/21, or 9/21/0, really up to you, I like the first the best (<3 strength of spirit).

Attack Speed Marks, HP Quints, Mp5pL Glyphs and Seals

Ghost/Cleanse

open boots + 3 health pots
malady
zerker greaves
madred's razors
phage
madred's bloodrazors
wit's end or SotD
frozen mallet

obviously Wit's End is only useful vs. teams with at least 4 mana users, and there's plenty of room to shuffle the end of the build order up as you see fit, but I like Malady + razors to snipe dragon whenever I have 10-15 seconds alone in the area and to quickly get Lizard buff which is what makes you a real killing machine.

and no guys, I'm not kidding, this is roughly how I've been building TF recently and it's effective despite being full of items we all think are shitty like zerker greaves, malady, and wit's end.

Skills go W,E,E,W,E,R,E,W,E,W,W,R,W,Q,Q,Q,R,Q,Q, spam the shit out of PaC when fighting, with mana regen runes and meditation and picking blues sometimes and the fact that it's the only spell you actually cast, you really should be able to use it pretty much whenever you want. I could see some room for refinement in Seals and Glyphs to compensate for the fact that you don't cast much, but frankly I've been pretty content to just spam like crazy, sometimes even mashing W with no regard for what comes up during teamfights just to get damage out there.

I dunno, the whole thing feels scrubby and I admittedly don't play TF much anymore, but it still feels surprisingly effective every time I run it and don't get FBed by Maknoon :p.


Mathematically, the best way to increase DPS is to balance your AS and damage, since for every point of AS, damage becomes more effective, and for every point of damage, AS becomes more effective. If a character has a +damage effect (like TF), then it's a good idea to get an AS item, but after that you should get a damage item, not stack up on more AS. Likewise, when a character has a +AS effect, you should get a damage item first to maximize DPS. One of the best examples of this is Twitch--he get tons of +AS from his abilities, so he shouldn't be getting items that increase his AS until he has a few high class damage items.

People tend to undervalue AD when they have a character with high AS, thinking that on-hit effects proc much more often when a character has high AS. While this is true, +damage items also deal their damage much more often when a character has high AS. Think of Bloodthirster's has having an on-hit effect of dealing +100 physical damage or Sword of the Divine as adding +25 damage to your hits instead of having an on-hit effect. Would you still get the item or not get the item if this was the case?

Not necessarily saying your TF build suffers from this syndrome, just want to make people more aware of this.

Lol i suffer from stack BF swords and not give a shit about attack speed syndrome. Halp.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 05:33:36
July 09 2010 05:25 GMT
#4785
Yea cause on WW i'll get that bonus dmg 3-4 times before they manage to hit their ghost and flee (if not already dead). Also AS items are cheap

Theres nothing like having near cap AS without even using W. Far more constant stream of dmg raping everything in ur path and regenning ur health same time.

Also if u got an inihib down and enough gold Tiamat is great for keeping the minions from overunning the place. Back in one of my first few games i got it for farming (noob idea right) and totally solo defended our 2 inhib down base later that game. Man i miss that elo..
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 09 2010 05:27 GMT
#4786
yea, I know, and tbh, I used to run boring old:
doran's shield
boots
last whisper
infinity edge

before that is was:
boots
starks
black cleaver

and both of these have a more powerful late game, but on TF, malady/sotD first builds kick in faster because of level 5 Stacked Deck giving you an effective +40 Magic damage/attack, you can get away with just stacking attack speed because of the innate damage output from your ability. If you can afford it, adding Cleaver in after phage and bloodrazors will result in a stronger end game, but I honestly can't remember the last time I tried this build and got any further than greaves, malady, bloodrazors, phage.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 06:10:47
July 09 2010 06:10 GMT
#4787
On July 09 2010 14:27 Mogwai wrote:
yea, I know, and tbh, I used to run boring old:
doran's shield
boots
last whisper
infinity edge

before that is was:
boots
starks
black cleaver

and both of these have a more powerful late game, but on TF, malady/sotD first builds kick in faster because of level 5 Stacked Deck giving you an effective +40 Magic damage/attack, you can get away with just stacking attack speed because of the innate damage output from your ability. If you can afford it, adding Cleaver in after phage and bloodrazors will result in a stronger end game, but I honestly can't remember the last time I tried this build and got any further than greaves, malady, bloodrazors, phage.
use the jiji build i used to copy
zerkers
dorans blade
dorans blade
SotD
Starks
BTs

edit: though i must mention this was when starks was imba though....
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
July 09 2010 06:27 GMT
#4788
Is it wrong of me that I'd rather play LoL than Starcraft 2? 'Cause mah bro told me the beta started up again and I wuz like "what? let me get back to tankplanking plz"
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 09 2010 06:40 GMT
#4789
just played with a kat who went

ninja tabi
malady first item
vampiric scepter

^this game earned my first ever rage-quit

the game before that was almost as bad though - a TF who would just pill back to base when his ult was off CD so he could ult back to lane to keep auto-attacking (vampiric scepter first, malady core item) and then talked mad shit to me as he went 3-8 (WHERE IS OUR TELEPORTING NINJA TO SAVE ME????), on top of a 500 win soraka who went locket/boots of swiftness and 444 win morgana who never once hit her stun, both of whom talked mad shit as well. tenpromicro as annie and me as shen (4 sunfires rofl) almost won the game 2v5 but kayle + trynd + shen = too much invincibility for us to win any sustained teamfight



i seriously can't solo or 2queue any more... it's so so so so sos so sos os os soso ososoasjsakejf;lwsejf frustrating
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Cirn9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1117 Posts
July 09 2010 07:01 GMT
#4790
On July 09 2010 15:27 phyvo wrote:
Is it wrong of me that I'd rather play LoL than Starcraft 2? 'Cause mah bro told me the beta started up again and I wuz like "what? let me get back to tankplanking plz"



Better than I don't want to play sc2 at all because of how stupid b.net2.0 is
Unprotected sex is like fast expanding in close positions. Its risky, but feels great when it works out
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 07:30:44
July 09 2010 07:21 GMT
#4791
I actually am really hyped about season 1 so i haven't really wanted to go back to SC II for that reason, plus this game is like 100x easier for me :D

Also, nobody tanks so I've been tankplanking once in awhile for fun.. for fun mind you, and I do alright.. but nobody seems to think you can be a tank they just complain :D

EDIT: I usually use Taric/Nasus for that role, I'm a horrible amummu but I am one of those people who like to mix it up constantly :D
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
July 09 2010 08:02 GMT
#4792
thanks for the games red, im still sad my flash/shunpo/bb failed

damn ur reflexes, that was the closest i got
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
July 09 2010 08:24 GMT
#4793
On July 09 2010 16:21 BraveGhost wrote:
I actually am really hyped about season 1 so i haven't really wanted to go back to SC II for that reason, plus this game is like 100x easier for me :D

Also, nobody tanks so I've been tankplanking once in awhile for fun.. for fun mind you, and I do alright.. but nobody seems to think you can be a tank they just complain :D

EDIT: I usually use Taric/Nasus for that role, I'm a horrible amummu but I am one of those people who like to mix it up constantly :D


you should try singed tank this week hes free, really a great tank, just get rod of ages at start and people start dying to poison left and right
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 09 2010 09:17 GMT
#4794
On July 09 2010 17:24 kdgns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2010 16:21 BraveGhost wrote:
I actually am really hyped about season 1 so i haven't really wanted to go back to SC II for that reason, plus this game is like 100x easier for me :D

Also, nobody tanks so I've been tankplanking once in awhile for fun.. for fun mind you, and I do alright.. but nobody seems to think you can be a tank they just complain :D

EDIT: I usually use Taric/Nasus for that role, I'm a horrible amummu but I am one of those people who like to mix it up constantly :D


you should try singed tank this week hes free, really a great tank, just get rod of ages at start and people start dying to poison left and right

Alistar is free aswell and there's nothing better than intercepting ganks and winning thanks to all the bugs it has...
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
July 09 2010 11:05 GMT
#4795
I've found I've actually gotten pretty good at mundo lately!
(On 3v3)

Please look at my build and tell me if I should change something to make it better :D

Doran's shield
Warmogs
BF sword ( infinity edge later)
AS item (sometimes I get zeal/phantom dancer, not sure if this is good.)

By the time my zeal is done or i'm halfway through my phantom dancer the game is over.

That's my solo queue build, as I need the warmogs for survivability, and if the team is full of noobs I go dps, if there's a decent/good carry on the team I just go tank mundo.

I usually focus on maxing cleaver, put 1 point on burning agony (the fire thing), then go for the +AD skill (forgot name, might be masochism)

Any thoughts?
Danzepol
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States211 Posts
July 09 2010 11:50 GMT
#4796
On July 09 2010 20:05 Abenson wrote:
I've found I've actually gotten pretty good at mundo lately!
(On 3v3)

Please look at my build and tell me if I should change something to make it better :D

Doran's shield
Warmogs
BF sword ( infinity edge later)
AS item (sometimes I get zeal/phantom dancer, not sure if this is good.)

By the time my zeal is done or i'm halfway through my phantom dancer the game is over.

That's my solo queue build, as I need the warmogs for survivability, and if the team is full of noobs I go dps, if there's a decent/good carry on the team I just go tank mundo.

I usually focus on maxing cleaver, put 1 point on burning agony (the fire thing), then go for the +AD skill (forgot name, might be masochism)

Any thoughts?



i play mundo on 3v3 every once and awhile...hes pretty op there.

i usually go for dorans shield>phage>starks>mallet>infinity edge

the game is usually over once you grab a starks.
in a fox with a box
lgd-haze
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden547 Posts
July 09 2010 12:18 GMT
#4797
I just bought Ezreal, and I'm curious if there is any way to aim with the teleport spell? Hate it when a minion gets closer whenever I do it and it takes the hit, and the enemy champ lives :/
Flying Tushin!!
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 12:59:03
July 09 2010 12:58 GMT
#4798
played a new champ practice game. each team had like 3 lvl 25-30 and 2 lvl1-5s that were just HORRENDOUS. i thought we were gonna lose cause we were lik 0-8 early game. but at the end game i just carried with teemo. blind = fucking awesome(feeder TF and ashe that didnt know what blind did). and i got so many imba mushroom snares for the kill it was so sweet. what a stupid game. it was the lulz.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51500 Posts
July 09 2010 13:00 GMT
#4799
On July 09 2010 21:18 lgd-haze wrote:
I just bought Ezreal, and I'm curious if there is any way to aim with the teleport spell? Hate it when a minion gets closer whenever I do it and it takes the hit, and the enemy champ lives :/


get used to practicing alt clicking your spells. it's the only efficient way of playing ezrael efficiently imo.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 13:06:35
July 09 2010 13:04 GMT
#4800
Did chat just go down for anyone else? I got dced. Anyway ggs tonight guys, sorry about that last one. I guess I need to retire tristana forever, I'm pretty terrible with her.

On July 09 2010 17:24 kdgns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2010 16:21 BraveGhost wrote:
I actually am really hyped about season 1 so i haven't really wanted to go back to SC II for that reason, plus this game is like 100x easier for me :D

Also, nobody tanks so I've been tankplanking once in awhile for fun.. for fun mind you, and I do alright.. but nobody seems to think you can be a tank they just complain :D

EDIT: I usually use Taric/Nasus for that role, I'm a horrible amummu but I am one of those people who like to mix it up constantly :D


you should try singed tank this week hes free, really a great tank, just get rod of ages at start and people start dying to poison left and right

Singed build:
Regen
Boots1
HoG
Catalyst
Boots of Swiftness
Rod
FoN (or Thornmail depending on their team comp, but still get FoN)
GA
Rylai's

Finish Randuin's whenever

Skills:
EQQWQRQ --> R>Q>W=E
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