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On July 08 2010 03:43 Brees wrote:
i dont think the low elo problem is as big a problem as you guys are making it out to be. everytime i make a smurf I can still carry my team to victory 1v5 easily with characters like AP shaco. you can nuke a person for their full hp every 6 seconds when fed...not really that hard
oh singed is epic too. probably the most straightforward 1v5 stomp character. i agree. i've carried with 6boots nidalee many many times on my smurf with no runes playing against all lvl 30s.
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On July 08 2010 03:44 Orpheos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:38 Nokeboy wrote:On July 08 2010 03:32 Shiladie wrote:On July 08 2010 03:23 Nokeboy wrote:On July 08 2010 03:21 Shiladie wrote:On July 08 2010 03:16 Fruscainte wrote:
Seriously. It's not that I'm not good it's that my team freaking sucks. A pantheon who leaves after going 0-10 in the first few minutes, then a Shen who kill steals all game as a tank and keeps trying to solo the entire team, a Katarina who doesn't do ANYTHING at all, and a Warwick who keeps tower diving into the entire team.
I mean seriously. How the hell am I supposed to progress with shit like this? if you are winning 50%+ of the time, you will progress If you are winning less then that, the problem is at least partially with you (if you have over 50 games for a good sample size) This is because, if you play well, there is a better chance that the other team gets a retard then your team (5 chances vs the 4 on your team) If you consistantly can't win, the retard may be you...  I don't think you understand how bad players are. I know exactly what he is talking about. I've said it before in this thread but try averaging 2;1 k/d with 250-300 creep kills a game but still losing more than half of your games. I understand exactly how bad other players are, lets do an experiment to prove this for you then: Take a 6 sided dice, roll it 5 times and total the numbers for the opponent's team's skill level, then roll it 4 times and tally it up for your team, then add a flat 5 for yourself, since we are assuming you are a decently good player. the average total for team 1 is 5 x 3.5 = 17.5, the average total for team 2 (your team) is 4 x 3.5 + 5 = 19 This shows that on average, if you are an above average player, you will win more then 50% of the time. If you are not(over a significant test pool, ie 50+ games), the problem is with yourself. It would be nice if it worked like that. I don't know why but I rarely get premade players on my team while facing a good amount of premade teams. but you do understand our logic right? yes it sucks. i had a losing streak when i was +15 that brought me to even and i didnt feel like my opponents got stronger my teammates just got dumber. but now im out and im 50%. you just have bad streaks. suck it up. or just find a premade.
Oh I understand 100% which is why my responses were very slow cause I really have no way to go against what you guys are saying. I know for a fact I am not the problem though:-/
Maybe I need to try and change up my playstyle for low level games to see if anything changes. I mostly just farm mid/forest and wait for team fights. I always end with close to max items but they are never used to their full advantage looking back because a 5v5 team fight is so rare in games I have played.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
lol shaco imbalanced
it's you.
I guess you just chose to ignore singed out of spite, but uh characters with great escapes is the whole point of carrying low elo. how do you expect to maintain your 20 stacks if you cant escape whenever your in a bad spot?
if you hate "imba escape characters" you will never leave low elo. play the characters you want to when your out of it.
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On July 08 2010 03:53 Brees wrote:
lol shaco imbalanced
it's you.
I guess you just chose to ignore singed out of spite, but uh characters with great escapes is the whole point of carrying low elo. how do you expect to maintain your 20 stacks if you cant escape whenever your in a bad spot?
if you hate "imba escape characters" you will never leave low elo. play the characters you want to when your out of it.
Singed was edited in after I responded. I don't enjoy playing characters like Shaco/Twitch. I enjoy characters like Teemo where I actually feel accomplished when I end a game with a good score:-/ But I guess you have a valid point about playing them kind of heros to get out of low ELO
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On July 08 2010 03:58 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:53 Brees wrote:
lol shaco imbalanced
it's you.
I guess you just chose to ignore singed out of spite, but uh characters with great escapes is the whole point of carrying low elo. how do you expect to maintain your 20 stacks if you cant escape whenever your in a bad spot?
if you hate "imba escape characters" you will never leave low elo. play the characters you want to when your out of it. Singed was edited in after I responded. I don't enjoy playing characters like Shaco/Twitch. I enjoy characters like Teemo where I actually feel accomplished when I end a game with a good score:-/ But I guess you have a valid point about playing them kind of heros to get out of low ELO
I was going to say something along this line, decided against it, and I guess I should bring the point up again.
When you play an underpowered hero in an area of the game where you're fighting against bad teammates, you're gimping yourself. What, do you honestly think you're going to carry people with VEIGAR?
The other thing I'd mention is that a lot of people really, really aren't as good as you think. Honestly, when I was shooting up the ladder when I started off I thought I was a hotshot, too, coming off of DotA and stomping a lot of crappy players/seeing a lot of crappy teammates. I mean, I pub with some people, and I'm not even playing seriously (I tend to treat smurf games like practice games), but I still stomp people with joke builds/heroes, as redtooth/inept insinuated. And you can bet I see people making mistakes all over the place. Getting baited, not forming up to push, failing to check dragon, not harassing junglers, the list of things people aren't doing well is endless.
I mean, one of the instances that ticked me off was when a few TLers got obviously baited, after 5 ppl pushed bot, then scattered through our jungle. Really? You're chasing them? I mean sure you see one NOW but 15 seconds ago they were all right there. What went through their mind as they chased? And then when I mentioned it, "I'd do it again." Right. And people complain about retarded teammates...
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i don't know how much more plainly we can put it
stop solo queue-ing until you reach a level of play where one baddy won't ruin the game
and if you must solo queue, play someone who can get in and out of battle reliably and mop up every team fight
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On July 08 2010 04:05 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't know how much more plainly we can put it
stop solo queue-ing until you reach a level of play where one baddy won't ruin the game
and if you must solo queue, play someone who can get in and out of battle reliably and mop up every team fight
Actually to me it feels more like at low levels one baddy won't ruin a game. It feels to me like at the beginning stages, you can even reliably win 3v5s and 4v5s if you're actually good enough. Some people may remember me telling uhh, SecretSnake, I think, to just go jungle with Olaf, even if he couldn't pull it off, just because I wanted him out of the way. And there were a handful of games where I'd get leavers/feeders and still carry games with Kat etc. or at least come VERY close to carrying all the way (even 2v5!)... and I'm not even a good Kat lol.
As you go up the game becomes less forgiving of even that one baddy, which is why at high elos you get dodging everywhere, especially because most people recognize one another.
Edit:
When it comes to hero choices, and this is true pretty much all the way through the ladder, the best way to win consistently is to pick a hero that can punish weak players from the start of the game, and do it repeatedly. That's why heroes like Shaco, Katarina, Ezreal etc. are very "hot." If you find a crappy player against you, you go into bloodhunt mode. When I was carrying TL people with Kat on one smurf I was literally destroying their mid player so badly that they were pretty much crying to each other in teamchat, and they'd start rotating players (bad idea), and because Kat can towerdive I'd work myself up to like 10-0 in 10 minutes.
I'd get comments like "you play very gay" but it's like, that's Kat, buddy, I'm going after you, and if you're not good enough to stop me, I'm going to stomp all over your face. I'm sorry if I'm playing at 2 or 3 times the pace you're accustomed to, but I'm good, you're not, and you're going to die every time you play too slowly. That sort of thing.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
on my first account
Cho'gath took me from low to mid elo
shaco took me from mid to upper mid
old gangplank/broken udyr/old nidalee took me to high elo.
dont know why im posting this but its nostalgic.
and uhh nasus is in there somewhere. hes my 2nd most played but i never remember a time where i mass gamed with him.
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I labored through rising elo, because I premaded all the time, and played almost every hero. I think my main culprits were in order...
Morgana <-- was in top 3 for a long time
Ashe <-- still #1 most played
Udyr <-- was in top 3 for a long time
Soraka
Malphite <-- still #2
Janna <-- was in top 3 for a long time
Amumu
Kassadin <-- moved into my top 3 yesterday
Edit:
I've got the same deal with Taric as your Nasus, he's nowhere near my top 3 list I think but I probably have a sparkling 20-5 record or something with him (10-1 on lolbase), he's insane. I've never mass-gamed with him except when I was whoring pushing games with Turkey (Alist Taric lolol, too bad they nerfed the shit out of it).
Edit2:
Is there a bigger support tier whore than me? lol, I've played pretty much every broken hero en masse, except for the old TF (chibiano always took TF anyways, and I was too pathetic to get used to PAC).
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Ashe
Teemo
Amumu
Pantheon
TF
Pantheon
for me.
with like, a 2-3 week diversion where we were being heal whores and I ran AP Ez/Nid for our gay gay gay team.
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Used to be Mundo Zilean Karthus, but then open beta started and I had to buy champs and Karth was 6300. When I finally bought him I was suddenly a whole lot worse than I remembered (also I could never get solo mid because every game had an Ashe who thought she was really good).
Now I've settled into Mundo Mordekaiser Zilean. For some reason I can't stand playing viable heroes.
I still rage in Liquidparty every now and then, because the enemy team is more geared to take advantage of our stupidity or because my teammates are calling me a feeder when they're totally useless (5KAGE'S BEFORE BOOTS KAT SO PRO!!!). Mord's just so much fun when your entire team evaporates and you still keep beating down their team.
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On July 08 2010 04:09 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 04:05 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't know how much more plainly we can put it
stop solo queue-ing until you reach a level of play where one baddy won't ruin the game
and if you must solo queue, play someone who can get in and out of battle reliably and mop up every team fight Actually to me it feels more like at low levels one baddy won't ruin a game. It feels to me like at the beginning stages, you can even reliably win 3v5s and 4v5s if you're actually good enough. Some people may remember me telling uhh, SecretSnake, I think, to just go jungle with Olaf, even if he couldn't pull it off, just because I wanted him out of the way. And there were a handful of games where I'd get leavers/feeders and still carry games with Kat etc. or at least come VERY close to carrying all the way (even 2v5!)... and I'm not even a good Kat lol.
well obviously these guys aren't you or me, they're not good enough to carry their team at even low levels
pre-made is the cure to that problem
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On July 08 2010 04:20 Southlight wrote:
I labored through rising elo, because I premaded all the time, and played almost every hero.
I play every hero right now <3 trying to find one that is the most fun and the most imba at the same time LoL. I feel good that I'm 72/72 because I think I suck more than 50% :D
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Just played with a nasus who had to back for mana 6 times before level 3.
Oh I love life.
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My most played are Ezreal (back when he was broken and nobody knew it), shen (ditto), and teemo (when i would solo mid against Ashe/tristana with exhaust heal and just wreck them every game) and then the rest are just random character but i think my highest w/l ratio is with udyr (when he was broken i had 15 wins in a row) taric and shen. I have the most games played with ezreal but i wasnt really playing to carry the team (i was AD not AP in his AP hayday)
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Shen with OP feint got me to +50 solo queue before he got nerfed. Before I got the IP for T2 runes on Shen/buy him though, I found I could reliably carry a team with Annie by roaming around and ganking to gain momentum for the team. Not too hard either since as its stated, Annie is boring and when she hits 6 its basically a kill every time her ult is up in low-elo.
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I've only got two games played so far. 1-1. Any tips for
1) a new player in general
2) playing tristana while I get a hold of the game.
Also, if anyone wants to play (with someone completely new) add cirn9
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mikku
couple of suggestions-
play practice games with bots. it really helps alot (add some friends too for funs), esp to try out all of the free heroes of the rotation, ur gonna want to get as familiar as possible with all of the heroes, even if you dont like them.
practice games also help if u are unfamiliar with the whole dota theme
if you want to main trist, thats fine, but dont get stuck in a rut where that is the only hero u kno how to play and ur stuck wondering 'huh, what does that hero do'. also, you may find another hero that you like better than trist.
finally, look at guides, they really help u get a general feel for champs
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On July 08 2010 03:26 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 08 2010 03 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:20 Nokeboy wrote:
Shikyo I swear I asked this before but why do all of your quoted posts do this? Does skype auto-insert this text or something?
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On July 08 2010 06:40 Fruscainte wrote:
Just played with a nasus who had to back for mana 6 times before level 3.
Oh I love life.
wtf? was he spamcasting SF and withers?
I can sit in a lane indefinitely against non-ranged/gay heroes as nasus. it's amusing when I end up being the same/higher lvl then the soloers when they begin looking around for ganks, because i havn't left the lane yet...
bit of an odd question, what heroes have global passives?
TF = +2 gold/kill
zilean = +8% xp
janna = +3% movement
are the ones I know of, which interestingly makes a TF+zilean team fun to play on when you have the +5% xp from support mastery, and are a minion farmer...
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