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On July 05 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 05 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:44 Vei wrote:
Thank you for the Morgana tips. I'm only lvl7 right now, so no Ignite, but I'll try it out whenever it unlocks. I tried Ghost one time and I probably just didn't use it well but I felt like it was completely useless that game. But yeah that was probably bad use/expecting it to get me out of stuns or whatever.
http://www.livestream.com/clgame/video?clipId=pla_00cee554-5a8d-4a14-b992-2dc60f228021
Watch that and then ask if something was left unclear =)
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when season 1 comes out all the top ranked teams will be 'tryhard' though, right?
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On July 05 2010 22:51 GTR wrote:
when season 1 comes out all the top ranked teams will be 'tryhard' though, right? if my understanding of season 1 is correct (that you don't need to premade with the same 5 people to be ranked) then i'm sure it's just gonna be high elo people grabbing each other and racing up the ladder til it's the same group of people at the top again.
although recently it's come to my attention that there's currently an elo cap in place atm (2400 points). that's probably why idiots like heko, honver, and aznwiseguy can stay in high elo despite being so fucking bad.
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On July 05 2010 22:51 GTR wrote:
when season 1 comes out all the top ranked teams will be 'tryhard' though, right?
Yes, but the thing is you can ban the champs you don't want to play against and counterpick against their composition. So it's really your own fault if you let them have an imba team because you suck at picking/banning champs.
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On July 05 2010 22 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 05 2010 22 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:51 GTR wrote:
when season 1 comes out all the top ranked teams will be 'tryhard' though, right?
It's a lot different since you can just ban soraka and janna and the other bs.
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Janna free is the way to be
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Uta -- you really need to learn to use control-QWER to level skills. Taking time to click the little red plusses is insane.
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im 24 right now and soon will reach 30 (ETA ~1,5 week), I will mainly play casters (annie, ryze,morg, zilean...) and partly range dps(tris, ashe,... ) with my sets of runes.
if anybody want to form a team to get ready for season 1, im here for rent :>
meet at liquidparty, name: luongngocson (call me NB :D)
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about anivia, i think they should put 4 mins cd of his passive start from the begining of the game. which mean if some how he got ganked before the 4 mins mark, he wont turn into egg. Its really hard to nerf anivia since he HP is too small already. I dont want to turn him into Crystal Maiden in DotA, i would not be fun anymore ~_~
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playing ryze + annie for so long make me forgot how long the range of morgana spell is... holy cow its long. the Q skill seem like a projectile but its actually a small AoE object which means in 1v1 situation no creep, it is quite easy to aim  .
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somehow 2 out of 2 kennen i saw recently all went for life steal dps... wtf is wrong with them? or am i missing somthing?
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My anivia gets a free flash frost hit every time the enemy levels because of this. Huhuhu.
And yeah, us lowbies need to get our stuff together for season 1; maybe find a good team team comp and consistently win with it.
Lifesteal DPS is basically for endless roaming, and solo tower pushing. Kennen never goes back to base once he gets a stark, and because of the attack speed boost the passive charge on his W is refreshed more often.
I prefer force of nature + rylais. My kennen is VERY ungankable and I do my best not to let the creepline go past the river.
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On July 05 2010 21:18 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 21:15 arb wrote:
Is Chogoth worth buying? i really like him and all and im like 17-4 overall with him, but he's kinda..expensive page 1, first post, free Cho's skin => free cho! IT IS FREE
[edit] I'm dumb, check first lol [/edit]
But yes, Cho's awesome, but he gets exponentially harder to use as you go up in ELO. Do yourself a favor and play him AP on SR.
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On July 05 2010 23 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 05 2010 23 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:19 oberon wrote:
Uta -- you really need to learn to use control-QWER to level skills. Taking time to click the little red plusses is insane.
Well, I use alt.
And yeah wtf how can you do that >_> I got so annoyed after about 2 level-ups that I just had to learn the hotkeys.
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On July 05 2010 23:30 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 21:18 NB wrote:On July 05 2010 21:15 arb wrote:
Is Chogoth worth buying? i really like him and all and im like 17-4 overall with him, but he's kinda..expensive page 1, first post, free Cho's skin => free cho! IT IS FREE [edit] I'm dumb, check first lol [/edit] But yes, Cho's awesome, but he gets exponentially harder to use as you go up in ELO. Do yourself a favor and play him AP on SR.
I humbly disagree, with his ult not being completely useless (read: it works instead of being bugged) he can be a very powerful tank like he was in the earlier days when this game was still in closed beta.
His rupture/feral scream combo does
a) a metric ton of damage, they both have very high AP ratios and high base damage
b) silences and slows a ton (i think feral scream is the longest silence in the game)
c) makes everyone except for a tank in the health range to Feast on
He also has a 800 damage nuke on a 1 min cd.... Don't forget about that!
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On July 05 2010 19:38 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 17:47 Redlol wrote:
It's a good point, almost every Pantheon is reliant on snowballing by the time they're level 10-12. One good gank can mean a lot, but I disagree with your reasoning - at least when Sion/DPS or Alistar/DPS manage to get you they have some help, Pantheon is more than capable of doing it by himself.
Edit: How's your jungle Rammus build go? I really enjoy playing Rammus, but I've only really ever done it once. I've jungled as Amumu a couple of times though and assume it's probably pretty similar? Pantheon can't really do it by himself because they cleanse out of his stun, his HSS gets silenced, etc. It's only if there's a really low-hp hero that he can do it himself, but so can TF, and might I add, TF can do it better because his ult doesn't take ages to channel. If you sit around and be greedy and give Pantheon a chance to ult onto your tower, then yeah, he'll kill you and get away, but if you play slightly less greedy and simply deny Panth a chance to kill you, he'll be pretty sad, and frustrated. And when it comes to side-lane ganks, well, I'm not gonna lie, as Kassadin I find it a bit easier to kill crap with TF because he doesn't whiff his ult as much :p My jungle Rammus went ok but I decided that tanking isn't affecting games enough, fast enough. He jungles faster than Amumu up to level 4-5, which is when you can get some sick ganks off, but he definitely drops off when it comes to killing golem/lizard as time passes (short of using his ult), and he struggles vs dragon. It's those early ganks that really can change games (ie. my ganks to help xpecial vs Panth) but yeah. If I'm better than the other players, then I'd rather just go on the offensive and take them down, as opposed to playing passive in jungle and hoping my teammates don't fail. Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 19:00 BluzMan wrote:On July 05 2010 14:29 Southlight wrote:
I said fuck it and started maining Kass and I've been steamrolling since, yeah :p I guess it was simply time to stop being in denial and admit that he's not as bad as I thought even a month ago and that I'm pretty good with him. I've mained Kass for a while now (should be about 40-50 games) and he definitely ain't bad, just underdesigned. His passive is the most useless skill in the game and his killrates are deceptive. In fact, Kassadin is made for mop-up and killstealing so he is pretty much guaranteed to have kills in any game that involves mid-late enemy kills at all. But that is deceiving, the fact that you accumulate all the kills on your team doesn't really mean you're winning. Besides, I'm level 16 atm and people at this level rarely know how to lane. He is too easy to shut down by a competent laner, needs a thorough lane partner selection and it's really easy to fuck up stacking Soulstealer in the later game. In late game, if he is not fed, he has zero to none teamfight utility. I still expect Riot to do something about his W in the nearest future, it just doesn't work (as well as the AS buff from his innate, no, melee Kassadin doesn't exist). It can't be used to harass in lane, it is useless in late game (gosh I drain 100% mana in 20 hits, but wtf, most people could kill me in 10) and it doesn't work on minions like manadrain spells used to in DotA/HoN. They also need to rework his recommended items list and his page because, once again, AS Kassadin doesn't exist, it's a rather stupid myth. I don't understand why people still think Kassadin needs money. Look at the game I posted a few pages back. I was getting almost no kills, and it didn't bother me. Maybe I play Kassadin differently from people, but I often find myself playing the initiator (most accessible snare in the game, while being able to do it and escape), and his very spammable nukes along with their utility (silence + aoe snare) are quite handy. He transitions very smoothly from lane control (if able) hero to ganker and nuker to a spectacular support/nuker, and as the game goes on (particularly against siege teams, or if my team has no tank) I just build him as tankassadin and roll with that. Obviously upgrading his W would be handy, but I have a hard time seeing myself taking the W anyways (because his two nukes are invaluable), and I fear getting a stronger W would make him liable to having his nuking power nerfed. He's "fine" as is, IMO. His innate passive is also quite nice. Yeah, the AS doesn't matter, but 15% reduction from abilities is INCREDIBLY useful, if not borderline OP. If they were to take out the AS buff I wouldn't care, because the survivability from abilities is fabulous. It's not like most heroes will be able to land multiple autoattacks on you anyways (short of Trist). I also am fine with playing lane very passively. I don't need money, I just need to survive, and level. If I'm denied exp so be it, although it's usually pretty hard denying Kassadin exp (cuz he's got quite a bite). Again, I'm puzzled at people saying you need money and kills with Kassadin. He's very much not a snowball champion, but he's a champion that can gib you and then keep taking advantage of weaknesses. And in teamfights, you just build him tanky as the game goes on (I routinely do stuff like make HoG and Aegis) and play him as a pincering tank (teleport to the other side of their team and force their carry to point in the wrong direction, especially useful against Twitch who has to make a decision of whether to turn and hit you or just eat your damage). By the way I'm playing with high-elo people, or at least people perceived to have high elo, so I'm pretty comfortable saying that, at least with low-queue (single, double or triple) he's more than fine.
I dunno really, the base damage on all of his spells is not that high (well, no, the AoE nuke is ok), it's the AP part that matters. I can't initiate with Kassadin for shit - either you run in and risk being nuked to death to riftwalk out or you riftwalk in an unload your spells and you're essentially dead. But I indeed play a "glass cannon" (tho recently it occured to me that if you're building Mejal's there's no harm in spending 1k more on Leviathan, didn't have too much success with this tho).
If you build him as tank, without focus on AP and MPen, then he's just a useless HP sink that blinks, the last target in a teamfight. Tankiness when you already have the AP is really cool, because you need to preserve your Soulstealer stacks, but when you do nothing why bother increasing your HP?
It all makes sense if you can reliably instagib a wounded Ashe that stays too far behind her vanguard. If you need 2 volleys of your spells, it's all lost. To be able to do that, you need AP, lots of it. While silence can be nifty in some MU's (Fiddlesticks ololo, Nunu, Karthus), mass slow just doesn't cut it as a teamfight contribution if you have 0 MPen and 300 damage. It's range ain't godly tbh so you can't expect to hit many people with it without dying.
And yeah I kinda worry that the "fix" to Kassadin will involve nerfing his spells to give him a better W. They better think of something that either boosts his early game or gives him some utility in case he doesn't get farmed. And yeah I don't mind if they remove the AS part of his innate totally, the 15% redux is very good on it's own.
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You can call the AS part of the passive as useless as you want, but I'm pretty sure it's helped seal a few kills for you before -_-.
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On July 05 2010 23:53 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 23:30 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On July 05 2010 21:18 NB wrote:On July 05 2010 21:15 arb wrote:
Is Chogoth worth buying? i really like him and all and im like 17-4 overall with him, but he's kinda..expensive page 1, first post, free Cho's skin => free cho! IT IS FREE [edit] I'm dumb, check first lol [/edit] But yes, Cho's awesome, but he gets exponentially harder to use as you go up in ELO. Do yourself a favor and play him AP on SR. I humbly disagree, with his ult not being completely useless (read: it works instead of being bugged) he can be a very powerful tank like he was in the earlier days when this game was still in closed beta. His rupture/feral scream combo does a) a metric ton of damage, they both have very high AP ratios and high base damage b) silences and slows a ton (i think feral scream is the longest silence in the game) c) makes everyone except for a tank in the health range to Feast on He also has a 800 damage nuke on a 1 min cd.... Don't forget about that!
Oh, I'm the first to agree with you here, the guide I wrote on him is called "Chogath is top-tier (again)"
I just think he's a lot harder to play at the high ELO whereas at mid and low you can do whatever and you'll win on his skillshots and nuke cd alone.
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Oh man what an awful game. Can't play up at a higher ELO if I miss half my axes and get overaggressive against a Shaco/Kat lane with half-health. Always good to start the day with some raw embarassment.
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On July 05 2010 22:40 redtooth wrote:
my view of tryhard team is to get everybody to play their mains...
i think mastery of character > imbaness of character.
It helps when the mains are like Soraka/Amumu/Pantheon/Kat/Kayle though :D.
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Nah it's all good, we all have our off games, that shaco was really hard to deal with and twitch didn't help. I didn't get oracles for the team and I was only in about half the teamfights plus it was my third game with singed so there's a lot going on there besides any one of us slipping up.
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anivia is a girl, her passive is fine as it is
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On July 05 2010 23 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 05 2010 23 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:53 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 23:30 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On July 05 2010 21:18 NB wrote:On July 05 2010 21:15 arb wrote:
Is Chogoth worth buying? i really like him and all and im like 17-4 overall with him, but he's kinda..expensive page 1, first post, free Cho's skin => free cho! IT IS FREE [edit] I'm dumb, check first lol [/edit] But yes, Cho's awesome, but he gets exponentially harder to use as you go up in ELO. Do yourself a favor and play him AP on SR. I humbly disagree, with his ult not being completely useless (read: it works instead of being bugged) he can be a very powerful tank like he was in the earlier days when this game was still in closed beta. His rupture/feral scream combo does a) a metric ton of damage, they both have very high AP ratios and high base damage b) silences and slows a ton (i think feral scream is the longest silence in the game)c) makes everyone except for a tank in the health range to Feast on He also has a 800 damage nuke on a 1 min cd.... Don't forget about that!
Hmmm I'm pretty certain that Dark Wind silences Shacos who try to deceive away for approximately 15 seconds.
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