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On July 04 2010 11:22 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 11 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:02 Juicyfruit wrote:
Trinity force or DFG, trinity force or DFG...
:S
Killing people out of streath in 1 second is fun too. Deathfire grasp is awfully crappy in my opinion. I just played a practice game where I had 920 AP as Kassadin and deathfire grasp only did like 30% of the Sivir's hp and she only had chalice. I don't think it's worth it at all, on just about anything unless you have some tank stacking armor and no mres. However, even in that case I'd get something useful and just use my normal abilities.
Is it broken? That doesn't sound right at all because even with no AP at all, it should still do around 30% damage not factoring in magic resist.
For you to have 920AP and do so little...
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On July 04 2010 11 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:50 Zato-1 wrote:What happens when you lane Soraka + Kassadin vs. Morgana + Tryndamere? + Show Spoiler +
The Tryndamere is 235-213 with mostly a 1:1 KD ratio on his top 3. Tryndamere isn't part of his top 3, and in his last Trynd games he was negative in them all except one where he still had an awful build of Phantom Dancer before anything.
The Morgana is lvl 20, with a 65-54 record. Morgana isn't one of his 3 most-played champions(and all those have 1 - 1.5 KD ratio), and he has no other recent Morgana games.
Don't look too deeply into that imo. Although I guess your lane does have an advantage.
EDIT: Grats though~
On July 04 2010 11 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:54 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 11:22 Shikyo wrote:On July 04 2010 11 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:02 Juicyfruit wrote:
Trinity force or DFG, trinity force or DFG...
:S
Killing people out of streath in 1 second is fun too. Deathfire grasp is awfully crappy in my opinion. I just played a practice game where I had 920 AP as Kassadin and deathfire grasp only did like 30% of the Sivir's hp and she only had chalice. I don't think it's worth it at all, on just about anything unless you have some tank stacking armor and no mres. However, even in that case I'd get something useful and just use my normal abilities. Is it broken? That doesn't sound right at all because even with no AP at all, it should still do around 30% damage not factoring in magic resist. For you to have 920AP and do so little...
Yeah I'm not sure, it did about 500 damage and that's a joke.
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lol Shikyo, why is it that in every one of you posts you disagree with something someone in this thread says. Who are you btw? I'm guessing you're some high lvl EU player or somethin...
edit: I see you're a lvl 9 who mains Trynd, that's about it though 
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Current 10 game history: all tank Olaf, 8-2 record (one of the losses was a 4v5 I went 6/5/3 in).
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On July 04 2010 12 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 12 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 12 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 12 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:16 HazMat wrote:lol Shikyo, why is it that in every one of you posts you disagree with something someone in this thread says. Who are you btw? I'm guessing you're some high lvl EU player or somethin... edit: I see you're a lvl 9 who mains Trynd, that's about it though
I have agreed as well... I think(? >_> ) In general disagreeing brings a lot more discussion and thinking about different possibilities is more interesting than just agreeing about everyone. Maybe I just don't post about it when I agree with someone because that seems like a waste. I guess some people will find it annoying though. Well can't have it all, hopefully for every annoyed person someone else learns something new.
Yeah I main Tryndamere at least for now(it's sooo difficult trying to make him work...), I'm not high level actually, hopefully one day I will be. If you don't have an EU client and are interested:
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On July 04 2010 12:24 oberon wrote:
Current 10 game history: all tank Olaf, 8-2 record (one of the losses was a 4v5 I went 6/5/3 in).
item build? i try jungling Olaf and failed so bad
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the past few days i have lost to:
- heko
- honver
- cornsalad
- healtoast
i am about to uninstall.
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On July 04 2010 12:33 jaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 12:24 oberon wrote:
Current 10 game history: all tank Olaf, 8-2 record (one of the losses was a 4v5 I went 6/5/3 in). item build? i try jungling Olaf and failed so bad
I currently run: Armor pen red, flat health yellow, CDR blue, HP quints
1/16/13 masteries
ghost/smite summoner spells
Open doran's shield + health pot. You'll have about 850HP. Go to golem. Whack golem, then use W so it leeches on your next attack. Continue to whack golem. Use W again when it cools down. When golem is at 550, smite it, then chug your health pot (you'll be pretty low).* Whack the minions, using W on the second one. This will get you to L2, at which point take undertow. Now, go lane. Golem buff means you never, ever run out of mana, which is insane in laning phase -- throw axes and use your W to heal as much as possible. Keep harassing with axes until you either deny your opponents or kill them. When golem buff runs out, start getting more conservative about mana -- try to stick to good harassment axes. When golem comes back up, go back to heal, take it, and repeat.
In the long term you want tank items, but the order you get them, and which ones you get, will vary by enemy team composition. It's not that complicated, though -- sunfires for enemy DPS (thornmail if they're REALLY fed), FoN + negatrons for AP bursters, merc treads for everyone, etc.
*Why the specific ordering? This takes advantage of Olaf's passive to get you to lane with the most HP possible.
Edit: A second opening is to buy cloth armor (and NO POTS) and do golem, then back. You'll get back to fountain with ~340 cash, so you'll have 350 for boots by the time you're healed. The difference is that this takes a bit longer to get to lane, and you have a cloth armor (guardian angel, aegis, thornmail, and heart of gold are also possibilities). I found this less effective.
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DFG is a great item; just have to pick your targets. I've actually been getting it a lot with Anivia, the added burst damage helps as does the mana regen.
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i get dfg a ton on casters, the extra nuke extremely helps, it also helps cooldowns as well as mana regen
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My first rage quit ever....
My team: Mordekaiser, Signed, Cho'Gath, Ezreal, Heimerdinger.
Their team: Kayle, Soraka, Ezreal, Amumu, Fiddlesticks.
This is solo que, how the fuck?
I (ezreal) lane with Mordekaiser and he runs around like an idiot and gets himself killed twice like 4 mins into the game. I do some harrasing but it doesn't matter because we lane vs fucking Kayle and Soraka.
I just quit 7 mins into the game because the teams were so stupid and we were getting our ass kicked.
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We need to organize more premade groups, with a harder-try team comps, lol
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How's everyone been digging Kog'Maw? I've been trying some caster/physical builds, since it seems the damage split seems to be half. I do realize a lot of people have been going the full AP builds, but it feels really lacking whenever I try.
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On July 04 2010 14:50 Celestial wrote:
How's everyone been digging Kog'Maw? I've been trying some caster/physical builds, since it seems the damage split seems to be half. I do realize a lot of people have been going the full AP builds, but it feels really lacking whenever I try.
I've played about 20-30 games with kog maw, and I happen to agree with AP builds because I think hes simply to squishy to be AD or even hybrid. I'm not saying its bad, but AP builds have won me the most success. The one thing I've noticed building AP is that 80% of the time I will win the game in damage dealt. In ganks, its really easy to just spam your ult and cooldowns on the fighting blob from a nice safe spot from the back. His slow is also REALLY good, especially if your escaping. The secret is to learn peoples dodging habits and get alot of hits with your ult.
I run ghost/clarity and take mid most of the time, because kog maw farms like a beast, but hes super mana intensive. The only champion thats given me trouble is a good ol' heimerfaggot, but who doesnt have trouble with him. Just call for ganks. Here's my core item build:
mana crystal and 2 Hpots
tear of goddess
sorc boots
catalyst
RoA
Archangels
So basically just a shitload of mana. allows you to be a complete douche bag spamming your ult on poor squishies. If theres alot of AD i get frozen heart or if lots of AP i go Banshee veil. If you think youre pretty savvy go for zonyas. the main idea is just be safe and let your tank and other carries do the main fighting while you pound the fight with your slow and ult. trust me, the kills will fall in your lap.
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Anyone have any advice/ideas for a AS/AD Kassadin?
I understand it'll blow but I refused to believe he's THAT bad at AD
I've been trying not to go hybrid in lieu of just pure AD/AS but it's not working very well.
So far i've failed miserably with some combination of
rush brutalizer or wits end
some random combination of phantom/ghostblade/madreds/starks
I'm basically forced to open catalyst half the games because i'm so squishy/mana dependent
I was hoping to make him basically into shaco
blink it, focus squishy, magic burst slow to chase or finish, blink out
I HAVE FAITH IN YOU DARKTEMPLAR
someone help me please :/
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On July 04 2010 14:50 Celestial wrote:
How's everyone been digging Kog'Maw? I've been trying some caster/physical builds, since it seems the damage split seems to be half. I do realize a lot of people have been going the full AP builds, but it feels really lacking whenever I try.
I build him hybrid with a focus on AP, lesser on attack speed and damage. My build is:
Meki Pendent -> Boots of Speed -> Chalice -> Nashor's Tooth (Amplifying Tome -> Fiendish Codex first) -> Boots of Swiftness -> Guinsoo's (Blasting Wand first) -> Zhonya's -> Madred's (Recurve first). Chalice can be replaced with something late game. Start getting elixirs after finishing the Zhonya's. I get all 3 if I can. Otherwise Blue>Red>Green.
If the game lasts to late game, Madreds + Bio-Arcane will wreck tanks that don't have much Magic Resist. The build has a good enough amount of AP to let you do damage with early/mid game Void Ooze + Living Artillery harass. My skills build is EWEQER, then R>E>W>Q. When you get to 6, harass and gank with Void Ooze + Living Artillery. If you're good at predicting movement Living Artillery will own stuff for you. You can chase and kill them without divng deep even if they run a fair bit. Ghost and Cleanse are essential for chasing and getting away from ganks yourself. With max level Bio-Arcane Barrage you can auto-attack from quite a distance away while being mostly safe from being attacked.
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On July 04 2010 15:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Anyone have any advice/ideas for a AS/AD Kassadin?
I understand it'll blow but I refused to believe he's THAT bad at AD
I've been trying not to go hybrid in lieu of just pure AD/AS but it's not working very well.
So far i've failed miserably with some combination of
rush brutalizer or wits end
some random combination of phantom/ghostblade/madreds/starks
I'm basically forced to open catalyst half the games because i'm so squishy/mana dependent
I was hoping to make him basically into shaco
blink it, focus squishy, magic burst slow to chase or finish, blink out
I HAVE FAITH IN YOU DARKTEMPLAR
someone help me please :/
oh god, just don't build AS/AD
100% AP, he's not even a hybrid, just straight up nuker.
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I must say AD kass is fun when ur smurfing
I used to go trinity force AD kass
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real men play 6boots/4elixer kassadins. that's right, 4 elixers.
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You shoulda said 5, cuz 4 is doable and aside from the fort/agility isn't really weird.
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