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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 02 2010 03:11 GMT
#28061
I don't know anyone who actually uses the revive to suicide in a legit game....
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 02 2010 03:26 GMT
#28062
On November 02 2010 12:11 HazMat wrote:
I don't know anyone who actually uses the revive to suicide in a legit game....

You have to be kidding me, coming into the lane at level 1 with 400 extra hp is huge. If you're taking revive and not suiciding to tower you're wasting it unless you expect to get completely outplayed in the first 10 minutes.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
November 02 2010 03:30 GMT
#28063
There's a certain amount of difficulty in suiciding without giving a kill
Pandonetho
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada321 Posts
November 02 2010 03:47 GMT
#28064
You have to be kidding me, coming into the lane at level 1 with 400 extra hp is huge. If you're taking revive and not suiciding to tower you're wasting it unless you expect to get completely outplayed in the first 10 minutes.


Is it even worth giving up an entire summoner slot just to do that ONCE at level 1? And not being able to do it again for the next 9 minutes?

It only lasts 2 minutes. Anyone who is smart isn't going to die to that while panth loses a summoner spell for 9 minutes just to get a couple of extra minion wave kills.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 03:55:06
November 02 2010 03:54 GMT
#28065
On November 02 2010 12:26 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 12:11 HazMat wrote:
I don't know anyone who actually uses the revive to suicide in a legit game....

You have to be kidding me, coming into the lane at level 1 with 400 extra hp is huge. If you're taking revive and not suiciding to tower you're wasting it unless you expect to get completely outplayed in the first 10 minutes.

Well Smash doesn't do it and neither does Maknoon and those are the 2 really good Panth's I've played with. You have to consider the fact that if there is a lvl 1 fight and you're suiciding as pantheon....
You will get either caught since it's pretty hard to walk through the jungle to die to a turret.
or
Your team will lose all their buffs since you are dead for a while and their team can just 5 man one of your buffs.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 04:30:55
November 02 2010 03:55 GMT
#28066
Depends. Usually you can assume they're going to be either scouting your blue buff or protecting theirs and the top tower is pretty safe if you're bot team and the bottom tower if you're top team. There are two good methods for doing it, running straight to the top tower and suiciding or sneaking into their jungle near their red and hide in brush to get to an inner tower or inhib tower. Obviously it's risky but there's a good amount of psychology and game sense about suiciding right. If worse comes to worse and they have every tower covered just die to wraiths and run super fast to lane with the revive speed buff + ghost. Usually I try to go for the second tower in side lane near their red buff if they have a jungler that wants blue, and I try to do it at around 1:20. Obviously if you get hit or a champ shows up just gtfo. Worst case scenario is that their whole team is waiting for you with stuns at their red buff, but if you're fast about it there's a very small chance that will happen and if you see a team full of stuns just rush the top tower before buying items straight away anyway.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 03:56:25
November 02 2010 03:55 GMT
#28067
On November 02 2010 12:47 Pandonetho wrote:
Show nested quote +
You have to be kidding me, coming into the lane at level 1 with 400 extra hp is huge. If you're taking revive and not suiciding to tower you're wasting it unless you expect to get completely outplayed in the first 10 minutes.


Is it even worth giving up an entire summoner slot just to do that ONCE at level 1? And not being able to do it again for the next 9 minutes?

It only lasts 2 minutes. Anyone who is smart isn't going to die to that while panth loses a summoner spell for 9 minutes just to get a couple of extra minion wave kills.

Sure, they won't die, but they can't exactly trade hits with you anymore, the idea is you use your massive health advantage to zone the crap out of them. That first 400 damage they do is irrelevant, since it's all temporary HP anyway. Those first few minion waves are pretty important.
Later in the game, you can use it to revive+ult back into teamfights that you died in.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 02 2010 03:56 GMT
#28068
Revive is great on Panth just not suiciding at lvl 1.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 04:06:57
November 02 2010 04:05 GMT
#28069
On November 02 2010 12:47 Pandonetho wrote:
Show nested quote +
You have to be kidding me, coming into the lane at level 1 with 400 extra hp is huge. If you're taking revive and not suiciding to tower you're wasting it unless you expect to get completely outplayed in the first 10 minutes.


Is it even worth giving up an entire summoner slot just to do that ONCE at level 1? And not being able to do it again for the next 9 minutes?

It only lasts 2 minutes. Anyone who is smart isn't going to die to that while panth loses a summoner spell for 9 minutes just to get a couple of extra minion wave kills.

Not being able to do it again for the next 9 minutes? You don't even have ult for about 6 of those 9, and it's not for the first 9 minutes anyway. You shouldn't be dying as panth in lane, you are probably one of the strongest laners. The extra 400 hp is HUGE in zoning them. You can be super aggressive with no fear because you started at 1k hp when they have 500-600. If you really think you're taking revive for ANYTHING but the midgame/lategame revive-ult-back-in or backdoor I just don't know what to say. You just use it early for one extra use because honestly what does pantheon die to in the first 9 minutes?

I can deal with Shake having this discussion with me, but at least he understands the point of the revive.

@Shake
Even if maknoon and smash don't run it, I'm sure if you asked them they wouldn't say it's terrible. It's an alternative option, but I'm not a huge ignite fan and the only other things I might take over it are exhaust for like twitch/yi/kog or teleport for backdoors. Revive is just really, really strong in midgame when you can ult back in and completely turn a teamfight and lategame it gives you about the same amount of backdoor threat as teleport.

[edit] Just saw your post, I gotcha. I dunno I feel like if you pull it off it's a huge advantage with relatively low risk. I guess it's a matter of taste. [/edit]
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 02 2010 04:16 GMT
#28070
ouch, thats actually a nerf to sivir. didnt know they were decreasing the base numbers, thats brutal. no lane control whatsoever now
Brees on in
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 04:28:49
November 02 2010 04:28 GMT
#28071
On November 02 2010 13:16 Brees wrote:
ouch, thats actually a nerf to sivir. didnt know they were decreasing the base numbers, thats brutal. no lane control whatsoever now


I think Boomerang Blade loses 1 point of damage with level 1 Boomerang at level 1 with the base number nerf because it includes 75% of AD, and considering that it scales off AD items you can itemize Sivir properly, so it's a massive buff. Massive.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
November 02 2010 04:30 GMT
#28072
With this and the last whisper change, sivir's going back to tier 1....
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 02 2010 04:31 GMT
#28073
On November 02 2010 13:28 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 13:16 Brees wrote:
ouch, thats actually a nerf to sivir. didnt know they were decreasing the base numbers, thats brutal. no lane control whatsoever now


I think Boomerang Blade loses 1 point of damage with level 1 Boomerang at level 1 with the base number nerf because it includes 75% of AD, and considering that it scales off AD items you can itemize Sivir properly, so it's a massive buff. Massive.


does it scale with additional AD only or base damage too? that is the question. If its base damage included well then, of course its an epic buff!
Brees on in
Garamor
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada22 Posts
November 02 2010 04:32 GMT
#28074
On November 02 2010 13:31 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 13:28 Seiuchi wrote:
On November 02 2010 13:16 Brees wrote:
ouch, thats actually a nerf to sivir. didnt know they were decreasing the base numbers, thats brutal. no lane control whatsoever now


I think Boomerang Blade loses 1 point of damage with level 1 Boomerang at level 1 with the base number nerf because it includes 75% of AD, and considering that it scales off AD items you can itemize Sivir properly, so it's a massive buff. Massive.


does it scale with additional AD only or base damage too? that is the question. If its base damage included well then, of course its an epic buff!

off of her entire AD, not just base damage
Less is more
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 02 2010 04:42 GMT
#28075
"While I haven't personally played it, I'm pretty certain it's total AD because of the base damage reduction"

quote from phreak, aw yea its sivir time after this patch
Brees on in
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
November 02 2010 04:43 GMT
#28076
Man, utility tree is so broken. I tried running Shen 9/0/21 (instead of my usual 0/21/9) and with the movespeed, buff durations, CDR, constant ghosts and teleports... it felt awesome. Plus 15% mpen means Ki Strike and Sunfires remain ever so slightly relevant come late game.
it's my first day
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
November 02 2010 04:55 GMT
#28077
It's hard for many to appreciate how strong 21-defensive mastery is for early-laning, but yeah...utility overtakes it eventually.

There's a huge gap in how retardedly aggressive I can zone with 21-defense kennen vs 21-utility...BUT... whatever.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 02 2010 04:57 GMT
#28078
Man I can't wait to take sivir out for a spin post-patch. I've been doing so much practice on her with the warmogs->atmas thing so I'm all warmed up to her play style. It's just a shame BB is magic damage and not physical.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
November 02 2010 04:59 GMT
#28079
Yesssssssssssssss more fiddle buffs!
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 05:20:24
November 02 2010 05:02 GMT
#28080
On November 02 2010 13:55 Juicyfruit wrote:
It's hard for many to appreciate how strong 21-defensive mastery is for early-laning, but yeah...utility overtakes it eventually.

There's a huge gap in how retardedly aggressive I can zone with 21-defense kennen vs 21-utility...BUT... whatever.

The higher parts of the utility tree have the best masteries out of the three. Movespeed, CDR and reduced summoner cooldown are all great, meditation is nice, expanded mind AWARENESS LOL is CRUCIAL and improved ghost and good hands are pretty nice too.

Compare that to defensive tree which has primarily the "take 1 less damage" for mid-range and veteran's scars with the 4% redux, which is all kinda meh now that there's less level 1 red buff-dragon fights.

Offense is pretty lackluster after 15% pen as well.

[edit] But on pretty much every champ with mana you should be running SoS [/edit]
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