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HazMat
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On November 02 2010 12:11 HazMat wrote: I don't know anyone who actually uses the revive to suicide in a legit game.... You have to be kidding me, coming into the lane at level 1 with 400 extra hp is huge. If you're taking revive and not suiciding to tower you're wasting it unless you expect to get completely outplayed in the first 10 minutes. | ||
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Juicyfruit
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Pandonetho
Canada321 Posts
You have to be kidding me, coming into the lane at level 1 with 400 extra hp is huge. If you're taking revive and not suiciding to tower you're wasting it unless you expect to get completely outplayed in the first 10 minutes. Is it even worth giving up an entire summoner slot just to do that ONCE at level 1? And not being able to do it again for the next 9 minutes? It only lasts 2 minutes. Anyone who is smart isn't going to die to that while panth loses a summoner spell for 9 minutes just to get a couple of extra minion wave kills. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On November 02 2010 12:26 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: You have to be kidding me, coming into the lane at level 1 with 400 extra hp is huge. If you're taking revive and not suiciding to tower you're wasting it unless you expect to get completely outplayed in the first 10 minutes. Well Smash doesn't do it and neither does Maknoon and those are the 2 really good Panth's I've played with. You have to consider the fact that if there is a lvl 1 fight and you're suiciding as pantheon.... You will get either caught since it's pretty hard to walk through the jungle to die to a turret. or Your team will lose all their buffs since you are dead for a while and their team can just 5 man one of your buffs. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 02 2010 12:47 Pandonetho wrote: Is it even worth giving up an entire summoner slot just to do that ONCE at level 1? And not being able to do it again for the next 9 minutes? It only lasts 2 minutes. Anyone who is smart isn't going to die to that while panth loses a summoner spell for 9 minutes just to get a couple of extra minion wave kills. Sure, they won't die, but they can't exactly trade hits with you anymore, the idea is you use your massive health advantage to zone the crap out of them. That first 400 damage they do is irrelevant, since it's all temporary HP anyway. Those first few minion waves are pretty important. Later in the game, you can use it to revive+ult back into teamfights that you died in. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On November 02 2010 12:47 Pandonetho wrote: Is it even worth giving up an entire summoner slot just to do that ONCE at level 1? And not being able to do it again for the next 9 minutes? It only lasts 2 minutes. Anyone who is smart isn't going to die to that while panth loses a summoner spell for 9 minutes just to get a couple of extra minion wave kills. Not being able to do it again for the next 9 minutes? You don't even have ult for about 6 of those 9, and it's not for the first 9 minutes anyway. You shouldn't be dying as panth in lane, you are probably one of the strongest laners. The extra 400 hp is HUGE in zoning them. You can be super aggressive with no fear because you started at 1k hp when they have 500-600. If you really think you're taking revive for ANYTHING but the midgame/lategame revive-ult-back-in or backdoor I just don't know what to say. You just use it early for one extra use because honestly what does pantheon die to in the first 9 minutes? I can deal with Shake having this discussion with me, but at least he understands the point of the revive. @Shake Even if maknoon and smash don't run it, I'm sure if you asked them they wouldn't say it's terrible. It's an alternative option, but I'm not a huge ignite fan and the only other things I might take over it are exhaust for like twitch/yi/kog or teleport for backdoors. Revive is just really, really strong in midgame when you can ult back in and completely turn a teamfight and lategame it gives you about the same amount of backdoor threat as teleport. [edit] Just saw your post, I gotcha. I dunno I feel like if you pull it off it's a huge advantage with relatively low risk. I guess it's a matter of taste. [/edit] | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On November 02 2010 13:16 Brees wrote: ouch, thats actually a nerf to sivir. didnt know they were decreasing the base numbers, thats brutal. no lane control whatsoever now I think Boomerang Blade loses 1 point of damage with level 1 Boomerang at level 1 with the base number nerf because it includes 75% of AD, and considering that it scales off AD items you can itemize Sivir properly, so it's a massive buff. Massive. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On November 02 2010 13:28 Seiuchi wrote: I think Boomerang Blade loses 1 point of damage with level 1 Boomerang at level 1 with the base number nerf because it includes 75% of AD, and considering that it scales off AD items you can itemize Sivir properly, so it's a massive buff. Massive. does it scale with additional AD only or base damage too? that is the question. If its base damage included well then, of course its an epic buff! | ||
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Garamor
Canada22 Posts
On November 02 2010 13:31 Brees wrote: does it scale with additional AD only or base damage too? that is the question. If its base damage included well then, of course its an epic buff! off of her entire AD, not just base damage | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
quote from phreak, aw yea its sivir time after this patch | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
There's a huge gap in how retardedly aggressive I can zone with 21-defense kennen vs 21-utility...BUT... whatever. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On November 02 2010 13:55 Juicyfruit wrote: It's hard for many to appreciate how strong 21-defensive mastery is for early-laning, but yeah...utility overtakes it eventually. There's a huge gap in how retardedly aggressive I can zone with 21-defense kennen vs 21-utility...BUT... whatever. The higher parts of the utility tree have the best masteries out of the three. Movespeed, CDR and reduced summoner cooldown are all great, meditation is nice, Compare that to defensive tree which has primarily the "take 1 less damage" for mid-range and veteran's scars with the 4% redux, which is all kinda meh now that there's less level 1 red buff-dragon fights. Offense is pretty lackluster after 15% pen as well. [edit] But on pretty much every champ with mana you should be running SoS [/edit] | ||
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