Lol trust me, the "high elos" in the TL channel dont know much more about the game than the average 500+ game player, you should take their opinions and advice with a grain of salt. You use what you know works, don't let someone tell you how to play because they have 100 or whatever more elo than you in a team game.

Tooplark

United States3977 Posts

November 02 2010 08:01 GMT

#28103

On November 02 2010 16:54 ProdT wrote:
Lol trust me, the "high elos" in the TL channel dont know much more about the game than the average 500+ game player, you should take their opinions and advice with a grain of salt. You use what you know works, don't let someone tell you how to play this game because they have 100 or whatever more elo than you in a team game.

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this thread needed more "civil discussion" and "logical, considered disagreement"

I think avarice quints are best on every hero don't you tell me how to play high elo guys!

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

November 02 2010 08:01 GMT

#28104

On November 02 2010 16:32 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
So wait, why are you telling me I don't understand the game?

I'm half serious about this. I'm being condescending, but if you know something about high elo that I don't know please feel free to tell me =/.

Like, out of curiosity, how many of these names do you recognize?

i think most of us already know you fit in the mid-high elo category (not being sarcastic here, lol), and if you know you're in the upper echelon of elo, you dont need to prove it to anyone here.

on to the panth thing, i think the bigger issue is not that you 'might get caught' and give enemy team fb, but more that once the enemy team sees that you die, they make a beeline straight for your jungler and try to force a 4v5 fight at lvl 1 while you're at fountain, or steal a buff if your team decides to stay safe. i think this is far less of a big deal when it comes to solo queue (esp at the 0-1400/1500 level), where ppl simply dont think like that, but i feel like the big names or an organized 5man would seriously try to put the hurt on while you're guaranteed to be far away from the buff creeps. I'm sure that there is a timing window where you can sneak in, rez, and run to the buff creeps before they spawn, but i feel like that window is based a lot on luck, and against strong teams who coordinate their shit, it just wont fly.

on the other hand, in a solo queue game, i feel like it would have a lot more success. Like i said earlier, the ppl i tend to play with in solo queue dont even think about this kind of shit (im a 1200 scrub), so yeah, lvl 1 revive panth is gonna boss them really hard, and you're probably not gonna die before cd, so no reason not to. I just think that its a bad idea to get stuck in the idea that its something to aim for or something thats just good fundamentally, kus its really just a gimmick, akin to 4pooling someone. To anyone who considers these sorts of things in their gameplay, it will fail miserably, but against some1 who fails to try to exploit it, wreck them.

also, im gonna stop drinking caffeine, i become a goddamn soapbox

ProdT

United States170 Posts

November 02 2010 08:04 GMT

#28105

On November 02 2010 17:01 Tooplark wrote:

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this thread needed more "civil discussion" and "logical, considered disagreement"

I think avarice quints are best on every hero don't you tell me how to play high elo guys!

Putting the obvious sarcasm aside, if you happen to win and feel comfortable with avarice quints, or have some logical reason behind it that you dont feel like explaining then yes, you should use avarice quints. You have to take into consideration the skill of the player as well, I bet bigfatjiji could beat alot of people using avarice quints. You just use what you know works, or have tested, or have a theory about or whatever.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

November 02 2010 08:06 GMT

#28106

i remember some1 telling us about some high-elo ww who uses avarice quints...

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

November 02 2010 08:07 GMT

#28107

I just feel like A) panth would be able to get into that fight with 1k hp because of ghost/revive speed buff and B) your team just doesn't engage them til it happens because buffs don't spawn until 1:55 anyway.

ProdT

United States170 Posts

November 02 2010 08:09 GMT

#28108

Revive Panth has been run by alot of top players, maknoon, TreeEskimo to name a few. I saw a video of TreeEskimo using this strategy, he died to a tower early on and dominated the bottom lane and that set the tone for that lane for a very long time. I personally wouldn't use it. Who is going to engage a panth with the revive buff? You';d have a hard time getting a kill from a scared opponent.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

November 02 2010 08:10 GMT

#28109

On November 02 2010 17:07 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I just feel like A) panth would be able to get into that fight with 1k hp because of ghost/revive speed buff and B) your team just doesn't engage them til it happens because buffs don't spawn until 1:55 anyway.

*shrug* then clearly im missing something, kus i cant think of any other reason why you wouldnt

@ prodt, you can zone them?

ProdT

United States170 Posts

November 02 2010 08:12 GMT

#28110

Yeah your zoning is pretty much unstoppable with that hp, you could deny their farm. I like to player aggressively and get kills rather than doing boring zoning, its just my personal taste. I do believe that strategy is legit though.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

November 02 2010 08:13 GMT

#28111

i used to be like that, but recently ive been trying to tone that down, since i tend to get greedy

Sad[Panda]

United States458 Posts

November 02 2010 08:14 GMT

#28112

its ok 5hitcombo I know you're a baller :D no need to name drop hahaha

Therealdevil

Netherlands1021 Posts

November 02 2010 08:20 GMT

#28113

Mordecaiser's change seems strange, half the damage of ult dealt up front? that means the DoT is quite weak, and what happens to the heal? does it heal less and over a larger amount of time? (which i think is bad)

Also cool that overral iron gain is faster, shame they nerfed E but i think it was quite necessary. I love Q and it seems better (?) now.

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

November 02 2010 08:20 GMT

#28114

Watch out guys, nerd getting defensive in here.

ProdT

United States170 Posts

November 02 2010 08:23 GMT

#28115

On November 02 2010 17:20 mercurial wrote:
Mordecaiser's change seems strange, half the damage of ult dealt up front? that means the DoT is quite weak, and what happens to the heal? does it heal less and over a larger amount of time? (which i think is bad)

Also cool that overral iron gain is faster, shame they nerfed E but i think it was quite necessary. I love Q and it seems better (?) now.

Im curious about this aswell. With his shield getting nerfed and his Q getting buffed pretty well, is riot trying to make him more viable as a dps? I can't see a reason for these changes. I mean I can understand his e getting nerfed that thing made him unstoppable in the laning phase. but why buff his Q?

SnK-Arcbound

United States4423 Posts

November 02 2010 08:23 GMT

#28116

I'm high rated than you are, hows that for serious.

byFd

Germany620 Posts

November 02 2010 08:58 GMT

#28117

new panth skin epic? also sorakas looks not that bad

btw, i learned to love jungle yi, are the guides in the wiki up to date or are there any new things?

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

November 02 2010 09:34 GMT

#28118

On November 02 2010 17:23 SnK-Arcbound wrote:

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I'm high rated than you are, hows that for serious.

This was at the beginning of the season when the highest rank was 1600, how's that for serious? Right now I'm losing because of bad teammates, and if you think otherwise you can watch me on locodoco's stream.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

November 02 2010 09:36 GMT

#28119

But no, you're right, I suck balls, I can't even carry these last 2 ranked games I played with first game fid leaver and second game terrible comp. I have no right to talk shit about skill if I can't even dig my way out of 1450.