EPThe was *too* annoying at the beginning of season 1
his nerfs made him less annoying therefor less bans
he's still very strong in the right hands (mine)
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
he was *too* annoying at the beginning of season 1 his nerfs made him less annoying therefor less bans he's still very strong in the right hands (mine) | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On November 01 2010 14:28 HazMat wrote: He wasn't really 100% autoban. People would ban him at the lower levels but he was definitely overrated. He's ok now. Lots of really good Shaco players that still main him and kick ass. his level two gank is still vicious, and against teams that don't counterjungle or don't understand to not push lanes, he is still very easy to get rolling  i think he's a very fun character too, but its all up to style and preference; i would probably wait for a free week if you're not sure how he "plays out". level two ganking is fun to see all the rage though ahhahaa | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On November 01 2010 13:08 DefMatrixUltra wrote: I have a question about this actually. I've never played Shaco (don't think he's been free in forever) and the changes they made to his abilities seem very "minor" in that he should effectively do the same thing and play the same way. Now the stealth-breaking JITB seems big, the missing blind seems big, and the nerfed ult also seems pretty big (for things like backdooring and doing baron). But is he really so much worse than he used to be? He used to be 100% auto-ban. Then they nerfed his numbers and utility a bit. It seems like he should go from totally ridiculous to pretty good. What is it about the nerfs that just makes him undesirable? I ask because I'm interested in buying him to see how he plays out. his nerfs were reallllly noticeable if you've played ezreal, you would know. it was kind of like ezreals nerf except harder. he's okay, but he's kind of like nidalee, he's just so worthless without some tanky items. he literally does like nothing unless he is quite beefy and has a little bit of dmg. before the nerf his ganks hit harder (jitb/deceive got nerfed) and during midgame he could solo 2-3 guys with just bloodrazors. he would baron at like 20 minutes and was just pretty ridiculous, however against organized teams he was more like tier 2 since if he doesn't get fed early he's more manageable. | ||
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TacToSs
Australia330 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Prior to his chain of nerfs, someone (HeeJongShin I think) failed to ban Shaco and we (HJS, Elementz, Dan Dinh, me, and someone else) got obliterated by Regi, and basically everyone in the game was complaining/laughing at how Shaco wasn't banned because his map control was sick. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On November 01 2010 15:06 barbsq wrote: i thot u were responding to your own post... damn tl LoL thread and its similar names, srsly wtf yea so many damn reds. wtf is up with that? | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Jungle trist: 1/8/21 for Smite/SoS/Utility capstone Full attackspeed runes Cloth + 4 potions Start at your wraiths Smite the big one, leave Jump your wolves Shoot that big one to death while using potion Shoot the others and level e Jump your wraiths Shoot them to death while using potion Jump your golems, smite and e to kill them faster Potion if you have to, which you might Bluepill Buy longsword and another potion if you can afford it Wolves -> Wraiths -> Stone Golems -> bluepill for madreds + ward/pots Ward dragon Blue buff -> wolves -> wraiths -> stone golems -> bluepill for boots + wards/pots Red buff and decide if you can gank WEWEWRW then R>W>Q>E Your item build should be something like Wriggle's Lantern Zerk boots Infinity Edge Last Whisper Red/Green elixir spam into Stark's Banshee's or GA depending on MU Alternatively, if they have a ton of tanks, you can go bloodrazor + frozen mallet and drop mad CC on them. Midgame grab red/blue and run around saving lanes/farming like you usually do while hitting ganks and pushing towers when you can. Sometimes it's worthwhile to grab oracles if they're aggressive with their wards, you have a lot of escape options if you don't get permastunned with ult and rocket jump. Aside from that it's just standard tristana and standard jungling. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On November 01 2010 15:23 Orpheos wrote: yea so many damn reds. wtf is up with that? Ya all 1 of us(redtooth hasn't posted in like a month, plus he's got the hilariously obnoxious in game name). | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
2 weeks later everybody cry at him being super strong, I guess that was when people figured out how to jungle properly with him... | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On November 01 2010 15:56 Iplaythings wrote: The funny thing is that before he was banned 24/7 you guys told me that he was obnoxious, frustrating and obnoxious to play. 2 weeks later everybody cry at him being super strong, I guess that was when people figured out how to jungle properly with him... For whatever reason, at the time we said he was stupid, 90% of people playing Shaco were horrible. Maybe it was because of free Shaco week, I really don't know. The next week, every single Shaco player had figured out how to abuse him build-wise. I think it was a case of Udyr. *shrugs* | ||
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Therealdevil
Netherlands1021 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + KENNEN, WHOOHOOOHAHAHAAAAAAAA And some cold hard steel. It feels kinda cool to play with all those good players, and the games are more enjoyable aswell. Alot of them know eachother and the games actually seem more mannered. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
1) Any news on the rework? Wasn't that supposed to happen months ago? 2) I used her straight AP tonight with LB and RoA and kicked ass. (4 no-death games in a row tonight! One death I don't count because I stole Baron for the team.) Is jungling even possible with her anymore now that they changed her passive to non-neutral minions? | ||
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bosiddon
308 Posts
On November 01 2010 17:02 mercurial wrote: Hooray, I am now a 1700 elo player, it only required some positive thinking, motivation and + Show Spoiler + KENNEN, WHOOHOOOHAHAHAAAAAAAA And some cold hard steel. It feels kinda cool to play with all those good players, and the games are more enjoyable aswell. Alot of them know eachother and the games actually seem more mannered. prepare to rage so hard when you get put on a team with 4 1400 teammates because of duo queue | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Therealdevil
Netherlands1021 Posts
Recognizing noobs is so anoying though T_T Also I kind of have to dump alot of friends who couldn't keep up with my growth which I'm not sure how to do yet. The ones I ladder with anyway. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
BUT WHO SAW ME STOMP THE OTHER JUNGLER ON STREAM? GIVE IT UP FOR THE #1 JUNGLER WOOOOO! | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
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Therealdevil
Netherlands1021 Posts
Btw, is Kennen really OP or is it more like skill gets rewarded? I meet enough people who whine about him being to strong but I've barely met any Kennens who know how to propperly play him. | ||
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