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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 01 2010 06:08 GMT
#27901
the main problem with shaco is how annoying he is during the laning phase
he was *too* annoying at the beginning of season 1

his nerfs made him less annoying therefor less bans
he's still very strong in the right hands (mine)
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
November 01 2010 06:09 GMT
#27902
On November 01 2010 14:28 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 13:08 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
On November 01 2010 10:49 gtrsrs wrote:
*nerfed* shaco


I have a question about this actually. I've never played Shaco (don't think he's been free in forever) and the changes they made to his abilities seem very "minor" in that he should effectively do the same thing and play the same way. Now the stealth-breaking JITB seems big, the missing blind seems big, and the nerfed ult also seems pretty big (for things like backdooring and doing baron).

But is he really so much worse than he used to be? He used to be 100% auto-ban. Then they nerfed his numbers and utility a bit. It seems like he should go from totally ridiculous to pretty good. What is it about the nerfs that just makes him undesirable?

I ask because I'm interested in buying him to see how he plays out.


He wasn't really 100% autoban. People would ban him at the lower levels but he was definitely overrated. He's ok now. Lots of really good Shaco players that still main him and kick ass.


his level two gank is still vicious, and against teams that don't counterjungle or don't understand to not push lanes, he is still very easy to get rolling

i think he's a very fun character too, but its all up to style and preference; i would probably wait for a free week if you're not sure how he "plays out". level two ganking is fun to see all the rage though ahhahaa
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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-01 06:25:58
November 01 2010 06:14 GMT
#27903
On November 01 2010 13:08 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 10:49 gtrsrs wrote:
*nerfed* shaco


I have a question about this actually. I've never played Shaco (don't think he's been free in forever) and the changes they made to his abilities seem very "minor" in that he should effectively do the same thing and play the same way. Now the stealth-breaking JITB seems big, the missing blind seems big, and the nerfed ult also seems pretty big (for things like backdooring and doing baron).

But is he really so much worse than he used to be? He used to be 100% auto-ban. Then they nerfed his numbers and utility a bit. It seems like he should go from totally ridiculous to pretty good. What is it about the nerfs that just makes him undesirable?

I ask because I'm interested in buying him to see how he plays out.



his nerfs were reallllly noticeable

if you've played ezreal, you would know. it was kind of like ezreals nerf except harder. he's okay, but he's kind of like nidalee, he's just so worthless without some tanky items. he literally does like nothing unless he is quite beefy and has a little bit of dmg. before the nerf his ganks hit harder (jitb/deceive got nerfed) and during midgame he could solo 2-3 guys with just bloodrazors. he would baron at like 20 minutes and was just pretty ridiculous, however against organized teams he was more like tier 2 since if he doesn't get fed early he's more manageable.
TacToSs
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia330 Posts
November 01 2010 06:17 GMT
#27904
So I've read putting 3 in good hands is better than perseverance but when does the opposite occur? I've seen lots of people have 3 in perseverance. What characters benefit from that?
Jaedong <3
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 01 2010 06:20 GMT
#27905
Shaco was top-notch and banned in every top-end game (except for absolutely top-tier 5v5) because his map control was sickening, he was almost impossible to kill if played right, and his buff control (see: map control) was ridiculous. He had a very fast dragon, one of the fastest barons in the game, and was basically impossible to "punish" in the hands of a good player. Not to mention he fucked with the majority of opposing junglers (see: buff control). They nerfed him by working his ganking power (map control) and his escape, making him more punishable. Top-end Shaco players still take over games (ie. Aruss) but he's not longer a hero where you can pick him and strike terror into opponents just by being in the game.

Prior to his chain of nerfs, someone (HeeJongShin I think) failed to ban Shaco and we (HJS, Elementz, Dan Dinh, me, and someone else) got obliterated by Regi, and basically everyone in the game was complaining/laughing at how Shaco wasn't banned because his map control was sick.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
November 01 2010 06:23 GMT
#27906
On November 01 2010 15:06 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 14:22 Dezzimal wrote:
On November 01 2010 14:09 Daxunyrr wrote:
Why not open Dagger & 1 HP Pot? Your Bloodlust can easily keep you in lane, and it has you hit faster so its easier to last hit with him.

Just my 2 cents.


Because if you're getting your eyes poked out, you're not getting in more than one swing each time you run up to the creep wave to last hit.


i thot u were responding to your own post...

damn tl LoL thread and its similar names, srsly wtf


yea so many damn reds. wtf is up with that?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 01 2010 06:37 GMT
#27907
So you have two solo lanes and a 2v2 lane but no jungler and no ranged dps? Jungle trist time:
+ Show Spoiler +
Jungle trist:
1/8/21 for Smite/SoS/Utility capstone
Full attackspeed runes
Cloth + 4 potions

Start at your wraiths
Smite the big one, leave
Jump your wolves
Shoot that big one to death while using potion
Shoot the others and level e
Jump your wraiths
Shoot them to death while using potion
Jump your golems, smite and e to kill them faster
Potion if you have to, which you might
Bluepill
Buy longsword and another potion if you can afford it

Wolves -> Wraiths -> Stone Golems -> bluepill for madreds + ward/pots
Ward dragon
Blue buff -> wolves -> wraiths -> stone golems -> bluepill for boots + wards/pots
Red buff and decide if you can gank

WEWEWRW then R>W>Q>E

Your item build should be something like
Wriggle's Lantern
Zerk boots
Infinity Edge
Last Whisper
Red/Green elixir spam into Stark's Banshee's or GA depending on MU

Alternatively, if they have a ton of tanks, you can go bloodrazor + frozen mallet and drop mad CC on them.


Midgame grab red/blue and run around saving lanes/farming like you usually do while hitting ganks and pushing towers when you can. Sometimes it's worthwhile to grab oracles if they're aggressive with their wards, you have a lot of escape options if you don't get permastunned with ult and rocket jump. Aside from that it's just standard tristana and standard jungling.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
November 01 2010 06:42 GMT
#27908
On November 01 2010 15:23 Orpheos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 15:06 barbsq wrote:
On November 01 2010 14:22 Dezzimal wrote:
On November 01 2010 14:09 Daxunyrr wrote:
Why not open Dagger & 1 HP Pot? Your Bloodlust can easily keep you in lane, and it has you hit faster so its easier to last hit with him.

Just my 2 cents.


Because if you're getting your eyes poked out, you're not getting in more than one swing each time you run up to the creep wave to last hit.


i thot u were responding to your own post...

damn tl LoL thread and its similar names, srsly wtf


yea so many damn reds. wtf is up with that?


Ya all 1 of us(redtooth hasn't posted in like a month, plus he's got the hilariously obnoxious in game name).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 01 2010 06:42 GMT
#27909
^This reminds me of IlyMm, a guy who basically can only win with WW, so he seemed to have ended up developing a lane WW strat to let him WW even when he's not jungling (and it works), lol.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 01 2010 06:56 GMT
#27910
The funny thing is that before he was banned 24/7 you guys told me that he was obnoxious, frustrating and obnoxious to play.

2 weeks later everybody cry at him being super strong, I guess that was when people figured out how to jungle properly with him...
In the woods, there lurks..
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
November 01 2010 06:58 GMT
#27911
lol, this has probably already been posted, but i havnt seen it. laughed for a good 5 mins
[image loading]

Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 01 2010 07:04 GMT
#27912
On November 01 2010 15:56 Iplaythings wrote:
The funny thing is that before he was banned 24/7 you guys told me that he was obnoxious, frustrating and obnoxious to play.

2 weeks later everybody cry at him being super strong, I guess that was when people figured out how to jungle properly with him...


For whatever reason, at the time we said he was stupid, 90% of people playing Shaco were horrible. Maybe it was because of free Shaco week, I really don't know.

The next week, every single Shaco player had figured out how to abuse him build-wise. I think it was a case of Udyr. *shrugs*
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
November 01 2010 08:02 GMT
#27913
Hooray, I am now a 1700 elo player, it only required some positive thinking, motivation and

+ Show Spoiler +

KENNEN, WHOOHOOOHAHAHAAAAAAAA


And some cold hard steel.
It feels kinda cool to play with all those good players, and the games are more enjoyable aswell. Alot of them know eachother and the games actually seem more mannered.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 01 2010 08:03 GMT
#27914
Evelynn questions:
1) Any news on the rework? Wasn't that supposed to happen months ago?
2) I used her straight AP tonight with LB and RoA and kicked ass. (4 no-death games in a row tonight! One death I don't count because I stole Baron for the team.) Is jungling even possible with her anymore now that they changed her passive to non-neutral minions?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
bosiddon
Profile Joined September 2010
308 Posts
November 01 2010 08:26 GMT
#27915
On November 01 2010 17:02 mercurial wrote:
Hooray, I am now a 1700 elo player, it only required some positive thinking, motivation and

+ Show Spoiler +

KENNEN, WHOOHOOOHAHAHAAAAAAAA


And some cold hard steel.
It feels kinda cool to play with all those good players, and the games are more enjoyable aswell. Alot of them know eachother and the games actually seem more mannered.


prepare to rage so hard when you get put on a team with 4 1400 teammates because of duo queue
2035
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 01 2010 08:27 GMT
#27916
Also be prepared to start recognizing bad players by name, making you depressed upon loading screen.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
November 01 2010 08:43 GMT
#27917
Yeah I already have had those 2 things happen to me, when I was placed in the crappy game i had IMMORTALKAISER cause they don't even know how to kill mordecaiser.

Recognizing noobs is so anoying though T_T

Also I kind of have to dump alot of friends who couldn't keep up with my growth which I'm not sure how to do yet. The ones I ladder with anyway.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 01 2010 08:55 GMT
#27918
All of my IRL friends suck balls at this game except one who's probably around 1500 but doesnt play. I've been scraping at the edges of 1500 because every single game I get a rammus who blind charges the enemy team or wants to 1v2 kogmaw mid with me.

BUT WHO SAW ME STOMP THE OTHER JUNGLER ON STREAM? GIVE IT UP FOR THE #1 JUNGLER WOOOOO!
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
November 01 2010 09:28 GMT
#27919
Yay for being mostly useless until you do pro things near the end of a streamed game. I play so badly when I know people are watching / expecting me to do well
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
November 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#27920
Sounds like a clear cut case of stage fright ._.

Btw, is Kennen really OP or is it more like skill gets rewarded? I meet enough people who whine about him being to strong but I've barely met any Kennens who know how to propperly play him.

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