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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 01 2010 10:42 GMT
#27921
Kennen's mad good but OP is pushing it
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 01 2010 10:47 GMT
#27922
On November 01 2010 15:17 TacToSs wrote:
So I've read putting 3 in good hands is better than perseverance but when does the opposite occur? I've seen lots of people have 3 in perseverance. What characters benefit from that?

Pretty much nobody, good hands is always the better mastery. Perseverance is really inefficient for the points you put in.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
November 01 2010 10:50 GMT
#27923
On November 01 2010 17:27 Southlight wrote:
Also be prepared to start recognizing bad players by name, making you depressed upon loading screen.

LOL I was watching Roku's stream, and he said anyone with lxxxxxxl or xXyyyyyyXx or anyone with "lol" in their name are just terrible.
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
November 01 2010 10:53 GMT
#27924
When I see ppl with XxX's and stuff in their name Ii always asume they want to kiss their nickname or something.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 01 2010 10:53 GMT
#27925
On November 01 2010 19:50 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 17:27 Southlight wrote:
Also be prepared to start recognizing bad players by name, making you depressed upon loading screen.

LOL I was watching Roku's stream, and he said anyone with lxxxxxxl or xXyyyyyyXx or anyone with "lol" in their name are just terrible.

He also predicted him to win the game based on skin ratings. For some reason his prediction was off though.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 01 2010 11:58 GMT
#27926
On November 01 2010 19:42 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Kennen's mad good but OP is pushing it


yeah, i think kennen is right where he should be right now. as people learn to play against him better he'll seem less overwhelming in lane
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
November 01 2010 12:18 GMT
#27927
Why are there not mastery pages? Its such a pain to swap masteries every game.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
November 01 2010 12:24 GMT
#27928
On November 01 2010 19:47 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 15:17 TacToSs wrote:
So I've read putting 3 in good hands is better than perseverance but when does the opposite occur? I've seen lots of people have 3 in perseverance. What characters benefit from that?

Pretty much nobody, good hands is always the better mastery. Perseverance is really inefficient for the points you put in.


I think people don't tend to really think about their masteries, they just go with what "seems" right. Hotshot takes Dodge/Nimbleness on every champion instead of SoS, even though most of the time he's not going to have any other Dodge.
Zero fighting.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 01 2010 12:26 GMT
#27929
On November 01 2010 19:29 mercurial wrote:
Sounds like a clear cut case of stage fright ._.

Btw, is Kennen really OP or is it more like skill gets rewarded? I meet enough people who whine about him being to strong but I've barely met any Kennens who know how to propperly play him.


Barely know how to play him? Do they not have a working R key
?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 01 2010 12:48 GMT
#27930
On November 01 2010 21:24 Jaksiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 19:47 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On November 01 2010 15:17 TacToSs wrote:
So I've read putting 3 in good hands is better than perseverance but when does the opposite occur? I've seen lots of people have 3 in perseverance. What characters benefit from that?

Pretty much nobody, good hands is always the better mastery. Perseverance is really inefficient for the points you put in.


I think people don't tend to really think about their masteries, they just go with what "seems" right. Hotshot takes Dodge/Nimbleness on every champion instead of SoS, even though most of the time he's not going to have any other Dodge.

He uses his "warrior jortz" rune page on many champs (no matter how bad it is for that champ), which has dodge seals afaik. So nimbleness is somewhat rectified there.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 01 2010 13:40 GMT
#27931
On November 01 2010 21:48 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 21:24 Jaksiel wrote:
On November 01 2010 19:47 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On November 01 2010 15:17 TacToSs wrote:
So I've read putting 3 in good hands is better than perseverance but when does the opposite occur? I've seen lots of people have 3 in perseverance. What characters benefit from that?

Pretty much nobody, good hands is always the better mastery. Perseverance is really inefficient for the points you put in.


I think people don't tend to really think about their masteries, they just go with what "seems" right. Hotshot takes Dodge/Nimbleness on every champion instead of SoS, even though most of the time he's not going to have any other Dodge.

He uses his "warrior jortz" rune page on many champs (no matter how bad it is for that champ), which has dodge seals afaik. So nimbleness is somewhat rectified there.

I'm gonna be honest: Dodge seals + Nimbleness just flat out works better on most champs. Obviously there are some that straight up require different seals, but even playing as...I dunno, Ryze or something, being able to dodge a minion hit and get the extra boost to prison the fleeing enemy happens more often than you'd think.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 01 2010 13:57 GMT
#27932
On November 01 2010 22:40 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 21:48 spinesheath wrote:
On November 01 2010 21:24 Jaksiel wrote:
On November 01 2010 19:47 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On November 01 2010 15:17 TacToSs wrote:
So I've read putting 3 in good hands is better than perseverance but when does the opposite occur? I've seen lots of people have 3 in perseverance. What characters benefit from that?

Pretty much nobody, good hands is always the better mastery. Perseverance is really inefficient for the points you put in.


I think people don't tend to really think about their masteries, they just go with what "seems" right. Hotshot takes Dodge/Nimbleness on every champion instead of SoS, even though most of the time he's not going to have any other Dodge.

He uses his "warrior jortz" rune page on many champs (no matter how bad it is for that champ), which has dodge seals afaik. So nimbleness is somewhat rectified there.

I'm gonna be honest: Dodge seals + Nimbleness just flat out works better on most champs. Obviously there are some that straight up require different seals, but even playing as...I dunno, Ryze or something, being able to dodge a minion hit and get the extra boost to prison the fleeing enemy happens more often than you'd think.

Except that at the higher levels more lane staying is usually better than a chance to get a lucky kill as your enemies won't overextend that much.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
November 01 2010 14:08 GMT
#27933
I've been playing a lot of Sion. AP is awesome for laning and poking, but I feel like it's not strong enough late game because if you run in that far and explode your shield you can get bursted easily right after, so I have to build some survivability items.

Usual lane build is Dring, boots, sapphire crystal, boots 2/3 / sheen, lich bane, necessary tank items if needed.

For jungle I open with vamp scepter and try to go AD. Wriggles/Zerk Boots/Trinity Force.

Should I be getting more AP in my laning build?

Btw, MS Quints = shield chasing/harassing all day
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
November 01 2010 14:36 GMT
#27934
Try getting an extra d-ring or two maybe? I guess you want late-game survivability... I'd consider getting more AP before you get Lichbane. Would Zhonya give you enough survivability? Run in, explode one person, VWEEEEOM invincible! That's still 8k gold with boots before survivability, though.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 01 2010 14:44 GMT
#27935
On November 01 2010 19:29 mercurial wrote:
Sounds like a clear cut case of stage fright ._.


Hahah, I was talking about this to red, I think you really have to ditch the fear of looking silly because you'll have bad games. Whenever I'm against "big names" I get fired up and usually play significantly better than when I'm not, and I always enter the lane believing I'll win, because I'm the better player. More often than not I do, but there're games I don't, and there're games I fail catastrophically. It'll happen, though, and you just have to suck it up and keep chugging along ;p

I deffo suck at 1v1 games, though, LOL. The pressure
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 01 2010 15:00 GMT
#27936
1v1 is lame because of 5 d-blades too.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2666 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-01 15:03:41
November 01 2010 15:03 GMT
#27937
Played 3 games today.

Game 1: Two people both try to solomid. Shaco jungles, fails first gank and quits.
Game 2: Have a mordekaiser who goes 0/10/0 in 18 minutes. Starts game with no items.
Game 3: I have to go afk briefly. Ask warwick to cover my lane. I come back 2 minutes later to find both towers in my lane dead.

Europe is fucking shit.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
ProV1
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States980 Posts
November 01 2010 15:09 GMT
#27938
Kennen takes so much skillzzzz....

Not! Autoattack, press W. Win! Press W twice, get a stun!

Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 01 2010 15:17 GMT
#27939
On November 02 2010 00:00 Mogwai wrote:
1v1 is lame because of 5 d-blades too.


lol, I remember being exasperated at EzPz's triple D-Blade shenanigans, but now

D-Blades
D-Blades everywhere

fuuuuuuuu
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
November 01 2010 15:23 GMT
#27940
Kayle - triple D-ring > triple D-blade imo
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