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On November 01 2010 07:56 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 05:57 shawster wrote:
ezreal is completely fine if you know how to play him and it's sub 1800 My point is why would anybody learn to play a hero that isn't viable once you hit 1800 points.
Because he might get buffed (directly or indirectly).
Because knowing a varienty of champs will make you better in general, and you will especially learn how to beat Ez in the case that someone picks him.
The most important thing: You might actually understand WHY he is "not viable". It's certainly not a simple reason.
Or maybe you might find that he actually IS viable, people just don't know HOW yet (remember Garen?).
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On November 01 2010 07:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
But I could play a top tier physical carry like MF or Trist and have an easier time winning in the lower bracket. Now the game will probably be decided upon the mechanics of the players rather than the actual hero choices, but it's far easier to have good mechanics with Trist or MF imo. By picking ezreal I'd just be making life harder for myself for no real reason since clearly he's subpar to the top tier champions.
Noob abuser heroes like eve are in a whole different bracket really. Relying on your opponents being bad to do well is just silly.
lol
What rank are you? I rely on my opponents being bad in games where we face 1900s.
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Also can we fucking get over this notion that eve is a bad champion? She's really dangerous and that already makes her better than, say, Zilean, who's the worst champ in the game but still useful in certain situations.
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On November 01 2010 08:48 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Also can we fucking get over this notion that eve is a bad champion? She's really dangerous and that already makes her better than, say, Zilean, who's the worst champ in the game but still useful in certain situations.
zilean aint bad bro
there aren't that many bad champs anymore, worse is ryze or trynd and they're both somewhat decent
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On November 01 2010 08:48 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Also can we fucking get over this notion that eve is a bad champion? She's really dangerous and that already makes her better than, say, Zilean, who's the worst champ in the game but still useful in certain situations.
bigfatjiji carries with zil! :O
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On November 01 2010 08:53 byFd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:48 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Also can we fucking get over this notion that eve is a bad champion? She's really dangerous and that already makes her better than, say, Zilean, who's the worst champ in the game but still useful in certain situations. bigfatjiji carries with zil! :O
dan dinh carries with eve
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guys what are the best burst AP nukers in teh game? :O
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On November 01 2010 08:56 OutlaW- wrote:
guys what are the best burst AP nukers in teh game? :O
Does Poppy count?
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I mean more like casters who have really high burst damage with potential to carry a game
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On October 31 2010 02:54 SHr3DD3r wrote:
is there a way to play through a proxy? If so - could someone help me?
Anyone? It would really help.
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On November 01 2010 08:59 OutlaW- wrote:
I mean more like casters who have really high burst damage with potential to carry a game
None.
Vladimir is probably right now the closest to a mage carry but he has good damage over time and aoe damage but not a huge amount of burst.
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anvia, annie, vlad are all good burst
oh and karthus too
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On November 01 2010 08:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 07:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
But I could play a top tier physical carry like MF or Trist and have an easier time winning in the lower bracket. Now the game will probably be decided upon the mechanics of the players rather than the actual hero choices, but it's far easier to have good mechanics with Trist or MF imo. By picking ezreal I'd just be making life harder for myself for no real reason since clearly he's subpar to the top tier champions.
Noob abuser heroes like eve are in a whole different bracket really. Relying on your opponents being bad to do well is just silly. lol What rank are you? I rely on my opponents being bad in games where we face 1900s.
Traveling to level 30.
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Ok guys, I took some of your feedback about my yi build having the offensive items too late. New build:
Boots 1
Atma's Impaler (get cloak of agility first)
Warmog's Armor
Banshee's Veil
Mercury Treads
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On November 01 2010 07:56 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 05:57 shawster wrote:
ezreal is completely fine if you know how to play him and it's sub 1800 My point is why would anybody learn to play a hero that isn't viable once you hit 1800 points.
Except, he doesn't stop becoming viable at 1800 if you're good. You can go profile stalk all the front page people and find solid win %'s with all sorts of odd champs. Sure the 'top tier' ones might be their most played, but they are plenty capable of picking Veigar(Locicero) or Teemo(TheRainMan, pre patch even), etc.
ScarletDoom maintains a 90%+ on Karthus at the highest levels of play, and Karthus is hardly what most would consider a 'strong' caster... until Scarlet plays him.
Edit: TLDR: don't be bad.
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Yeah, there isn´t actually a Champion bad enough that an expert would be completely useless. Yeah, you have to adjust Teamcomposition and Strategy but at 1800 you should be able to.
The bigger issue isn´t that at 1800 your champion would be useless but BANNED. If the other Team gets what you are going for...
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ugh, i swear ppl are way too focused on fucking tier lists in this game. Ezreal is still really fucking good, so are nearly all the heroes, hell even evelynn has a place in the 'high elo' level because none of the heroes are so extraordinarily awful that you cant win with them. Loci plays a wicked veigar, trynd, and sivir. Hotshot plays an amazing nidalee. The eu team this wcg proved to the world that tf is a very strong hero, even when ppl kept saying he was garbage. The basic point is, if you invest enough time in any hero, you can reach the high elo level with that hero, regardless of whatever asshole tells you that something isn't 'viable' or some shit like that.
also, in general, when we speak about champ viability in this thread, its all about relativism. In certain metagames, certain heroes shine brightly. I guarantee you that a soraka + tank team is still extraordinarily difficult and annoying to beat, because i just played one not too long ago, yet we all say soraka is garbage tier support (myself included). We say that certain heroes are more 'viable' then others, but only because our decisions of what roles the 5 hero slots should take have changed, not because the heroes are supposedly 'better' than others.
tl;dr, if you like a champ or champ idea, be brave and fucking play it, dont dick around with viability like a pussy
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On November 01 2010 07:56 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 05:57 shawster wrote:
ezreal is completely fine if you know how to play him and it's sub 1800 My point is why would anybody learn to play a hero that isn't viable once you hit 1800 points.
Because he's fun to play?
On November 01 2010 07:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
But I could play a top tier physical carry like MF or Trist and have an easier time winning in the lower bracket. Now the game will probably be decided upon the mechanics of the players rather than the actual hero choices, but it's far easier to have good mechanics with Trist or MF imo. By picking ezreal I'd just be making life harder for myself for no real reason since clearly he's subpar to the top tier champions.
Noob abuser heroes like eve are in a whole different bracket really. Relying on your opponents being bad to do well is just silly.
1) The fun of the game isn't all in winning.
2) You're assuming that other than Trist or MF being "better" is the only difference between them. Different champions fulfill the same role in different ways. People have preferences based on how those fit their playstyle.
3) A tier list geared toward high-level play already makes assumptions about how well people are going to play--a champ being good at high levels doesn't imply that they'll be easy to win with at lower tiers; e.g. Ashe is the number 1 carry on Elementz' tier list, but IMO playing her in lane is harder than many of the lower-placed carries like Kayle. And an Ashe who dies twice in lane is still going to be worth less than a Kayle that could dominate her lane, top tier or not.
For some theoretical "high-elo player" with minimal playstyle preferences, Trist or MF might be better than Ezreal. But a player who's comfortable with the way Ezreal plays will still be better than a bad Trist or MF.
On November 01 2010 08:53 byFd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:48 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Also can we fucking get over this notion that eve is a bad champion? She's really dangerous and that already makes her better than, say, Zilean, who's the worst champ in the game but still useful in certain situations. bigfatjiji carries with zil! :O
And consequently he gets put in 2nd tier by Elementz.
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I've been rather curt about this, but it frustrates me having people drag around tier lists like they're a divine creed.
This is probably not what you want to hear, but if you don't know why people might take Ezreal over MF/Trist, and/or don't know why people (at the moment) favor MF over all, don't know why people liked Kog'Maw over the other ranged DPS for a while (yet a whole host of top-tier teams didn't bother banning him), then you're not at the level where any of this matters. And it could take months before you reach that level, if you ever do at all, at which point the game will have inevitably changed from patching, either via balancing or introduction of new heroes or both.
Astonishingly, this means for most people none of these tier lists matter.
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On November 01 2010 09:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On November 01 2010 07:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
But I could play a top tier physical carry like MF or Trist and have an easier time winning in the lower bracket. Now the game will probably be decided upon the mechanics of the players rather than the actual hero choices, but it's far easier to have good mechanics with Trist or MF imo. By picking ezreal I'd just be making life harder for myself for no real reason since clearly he's subpar to the top tier champions.
Noob abuser heroes like eve are in a whole different bracket really. Relying on your opponents being bad to do well is just silly. lol What rank are you? I rely on my opponents being bad in games where we face 1900s. Traveling to level 30.
Okay, here's what we're saying:
All of the top ranked players in the thread are telling you that it doesn't matter what champs you play (note: these are some of the top ranked players on the server, too). Take their advice because they know what they're talking about. We understand what you're saying but honestly it doesn't even matter until you get to the super high skill levels and even then it's not that big of a deal. Obviously there are slightly better choices for champions but it really depends on a lot of factors that you can't control like team comp and individual skill and teammates/enemies so just learn everyone and play who you win with. Worry about champion tiers when your games stop being "which team has less feeders" or "whose team has runepages".
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