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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-31 20:58:42
October 31 2010 20:57 GMT
#27801
ezreal is completely fine if you know how to play him and it's sub 1800

honestly he can still carry really hard against bads or medium level players, at high level he gets outshined because he doesn't snowball on his ridiculous mid game.

if you enjoy him go play him

sheen + brutalizer + red buff mid game is still really strong
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
October 31 2010 21:04 GMT
#27802
On November 01 2010 03:53 Haemonculus wrote:
Interesting... the Kayle you're playing against rushed a malady... I'd never thought of that as an item for Kayle...

Think it has some merit vs rushing rageblade? Does the extra magic damage get at all turned into splash from her E? How about the debuff from malady? o.O


I get malady after GRB (the damage boost from GRB is too high to sidestep) and instead of nashor's because it is much more offensive. After I get Yomumu's and a gunblade. Usually by the malady the game is over but occasionally i have more gold
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
October 31 2010 21:43 GMT
#27803
What do you do for runes on kayle? Still what your guide says? Isn't cdr pretty strong on her? I thought that was a lot of nashor tooths appeal.
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
October 31 2010 21:49 GMT
#27804
I still use ASP marks, mp5 per level glyphs and seals, and hp quints.

The CDR is nice if you're not very experienced with her but I've found that blue buff is sufficient CDR to do well.

If you're not comfortable with the timing of righteous fury you could still make a nashor's tooth but the malady does a lot more damage and is much cheaper.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 31 2010 22:09 GMT
#27805
On November 01 2010 05:57 shawster wrote:
ezreal is completely fine if you know how to play him and it's sub 1800


I don't understand why people say this. Clearly he's not good at top level play by this statement so why would anybody bother playing them ever unless they want to gimp themselves?

Then again, I suppose I have a very narrow mind about how games should be played.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 31 2010 22:12 GMT
#27806
On November 01 2010 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 05:57 shawster wrote:
ezreal is completely fine if you know how to play him and it's sub 1800


I don't understand why people say this. Clearly he's not good at top level play by this statement so why would anybody bother playing them ever unless they want to gimp themselves?

Then again, I suppose I have a very narrow mind about how games should be played.


That's like saying at low levels, Eve isn't fine because at higher level she sucks. Picking eve against newbies isn't gimping yourself.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
October 31 2010 22:14 GMT
#27807
On November 01 2010 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 05:57 shawster wrote:
ezreal is completely fine if you know how to play him and it's sub 1800


I don't understand why people say this. Clearly he's not good at top level play by this statement so why would anybody bother playing them ever unless they want to gimp themselves?

Then again, I suppose I have a very narrow mind about how games should be played.


Because top-tier play only applies to like 1% of the game's population. Odds are, fretting over "top-tier" play won't apply to you, and so there's no need to bother caring unless you're going to try really hard to get good at this game.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
October 31 2010 22:16 GMT
#27808
On November 01 2010 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 05:57 shawster wrote:
ezreal is completely fine if you know how to play him and it's sub 1800


I don't understand why people say this. Clearly he's not good at top level play by this statement so why would anybody bother playing them ever unless they want to gimp themselves?

Then again, I suppose I have a very narrow mind about how games should be played.


Competitively speaking there are a lot of bad champion choices. But 90% of the time champions are fairly effective to the point where you can enjoy a game with them but at like 2400 elo they just dont get picked.

Ezreal isn't really the BEST physical carry anymore but hes still good enough to play in an average game and expect to win.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
October 31 2010 22:42 GMT
#27809
he also has utility still, for example if hes on a team with one of those stronger ranged carries, he can cast W, and buff the carry's attack speed by 40%...what carry is going to complain at getting 40% AS free
You can't milk those!
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 31 2010 22:45 GMT
#27810
WCG taught us that the champs that are considered weak are only weak if used in a "standard" team. Teamfight based, tank/support/carry combination.

If you have a clever gameplan and Ez fits a role there, then he is perfectly viable. For standard teams (what you definitely should do with random allies) he might not be as good.

However the strength of each champ is partly dependant on the level you are playing. At some levels, Ez's free flash might be much stronger than at higher levels. Or at low levels people might suck with it so he loses one of his major advantages.
Just like there are some rushes in SC2 that are really strong at lower levels but perfectly fine at higher levels.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
dotFX
Profile Joined May 2010
United States131 Posts
October 31 2010 22:46 GMT
#27811
Is anyone on a team looking to pick up another player? my solo q elo is 1469 but I am much much better than that. I'll be happy to tryout. PM me or add me in game as Hellz
Democracy is an Illusion
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 31 2010 22:47 GMT
#27812
But I could play a top tier physical carry like MF or Trist and have an easier time winning in the lower bracket. Now the game will probably be decided upon the mechanics of the players rather than the actual hero choices, but it's far easier to have good mechanics with Trist or MF imo. By picking ezreal I'd just be making life harder for myself for no real reason since clearly he's subpar to the top tier champions.

Noob abuser heroes like eve are in a whole different bracket really. Relying on your opponents being bad to do well is just silly.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
October 31 2010 22:50 GMT
#27813
On November 01 2010 07:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
But I could play a top tier physical carry like MF or Trist and have an easier time winning in the lower bracket. Now the game will probably be decided upon the mechanics of the players rather than the actual hero choices, but it's far easier to have good mechanics with Trist or MF imo. By picking ezreal I'd just be making life harder for myself for no real reason since clearly he's subpar to the top tier champions.

Noob abuser heroes like eve are in a whole different bracket really. Relying on your opponents being bad to do well is just silly.


There're top-end players (like Xpecial) that main Ezreal and kick ass. What's your point? Aside from admitting that you're not good at Ezreal and find standard auto-attackers easier?
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
October 31 2010 22:55 GMT
#27814
On November 01 2010 07:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
But I could play a top tier physical carry like MF or Trist and have an easier time winning in the lower bracket. Now the game will probably be decided upon the mechanics of the players rather than the actual hero choices, but it's far easier to have good mechanics with Trist or MF imo. By picking ezreal I'd just be making life harder for myself for no real reason since clearly he's subpar to the top tier champions.

Noob abuser heroes like eve are in a whole different bracket really. Relying on your opponents being bad to do well is just silly.

No actually Ezreal in low or mid skill levels is better than say, Ashe, who skyrockets in value the higher up in average skill level you go. Ezreal is sometimes a better choice than MF in these spots because he has a built in escape and you can't always rely on your team to do things like eat a skillshot cc for you.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 31 2010 22:56 GMT
#27815
On November 01 2010 05:57 shawster wrote:
ezreal is completely fine if you know how to play him and it's sub 1800


My point is why would anybody learn to play a hero that isn't viable once you hit 1800 points.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-31 23:02:40
October 31 2010 22:59 GMT
#27816
On November 01 2010 07:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
But I could play a top tier physical carry like MF or Trist and have an easier time winning in the lower bracket. Now the game will probably be decided upon the mechanics of the players rather than the actual hero choices, but it's far easier to have good mechanics with Trist or MF imo. By picking ezreal I'd just be making life harder for myself for no real reason since clearly he's subpar to the top tier champions.

Noob abuser heroes like eve are in a whole different bracket really. Relying on your opponents being bad to do well is just silly.

That's not the best way of thinking. Some people find some champs better suiting their playstyle (oh no, this word again...).
Every champ has his pros and cons, if your playstyle has "synergy" with a champ (quite simple example would be: if you are good at landing skillshots - you pick skillshot champ), why not use him?

On November 01 2010 07:56 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 05:57 shawster wrote:
ezreal is completely fine if you know how to play him and it's sub 1800


My point is why would anybody learn to play a hero that isn't viable once you hit 1800 points.

Because in LoL term "champ not viable" doesnt exactly mean "you won't do a shit in any game at top elo", it means "lower chances". You still see the "crapest of crap champs" being played at top elo sometimes but at the same time like 40 champs are "not viable" there.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
October 31 2010 23:02 GMT
#27817
because a lot of people will never make it to 1800
also because you enjoy their playstyle
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
October 31 2010 23:02 GMT
#27818
On November 01 2010 07:56 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 05:57 shawster wrote:
ezreal is completely fine if you know how to play him and it's sub 1800


My point is why would anybody learn to play a hero that isn't viable once you hit 1800 points.


because you'll never hit 1800 anyways
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 31 2010 23:03 GMT
#27819
ezrael will be pretty similar to sivir after next patch, cept he's much stronger with red buff while sivir provides more team support. they are both considered bad heroes. People simply dont like carries that arent hard carries since they are hard to play, being squishy and outputting less damage. They can be very strong on teams with a lot of physical damage though
Brees on in
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
October 31 2010 23:05 GMT
#27820
Why play something not viable at 1800?

#1 FIDDLESTICKS THAT'S WHY.
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