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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 31 2010 17:52 GMT
#27761
i saw some one jungle well with poppy once, kept up with warwick in jungling speed

0elle i think was name
Brees on in
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-31 17:54:17
October 31 2010 17:53 GMT
#27762
we just taught some dudes in normal how to play

YOU GOTTA SPIN
TO WIN

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i am... AP TRYND
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Kingske
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium252 Posts
October 31 2010 17:53 GMT
#27763
all 9's, best 9's
Bravery! - Livestream.com/frogtails
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
October 31 2010 17:54 GMT
#27764
On November 01 2010 02:35 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 01:10 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
On November 01 2010 00:47 sekishusai wrote:
hey

noob here

how good is this game? i've just installed DOTA on war3 last night and I'd like to try out League of Legends. Is it competitive, is it fun, is it free, is it balanced, is it ..... ?


You won't be getting any unbiased criticism here in the LoL thread...but you're lucky cos' I play both (still do). I'd say both are worth investing your time in since both are games that reward skill (LoL more so than DotA, simply because you need less effort/skill to succeed in LoL than in DotA).

As a newbie totally new to LoL/DotA/HoN, however, I'd recommend playing LoL. DotA just isn't as newbie-friendly.


You're saying LoL rewards skill more because you don't need skill to win.

wwhhaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAT??!?!?!?!?!

Reading comprehension. You need less skill != don't need skill at all.
If you need less skill then if you have skill you are "higher ranked" than you would be in DotA w/ same amount of skill
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
October 31 2010 17:54 GMT
#27765
I generally use E to last hit >.<. It gets you right into the minions and often scares the other team away.

(not really)

Devastating Blow (Q) lets you "farm really well" if the other team lets you sit amongst their minions because it's friggen hard to not kill the minion with it.

Your lane partner needs to be someone who is good at harassing your opponents so they can stay off of you and let you last hit (sona lux ashe etc) or someone who can help protect you in some way (taric soraka janna etc) or better yet, someone who can just scare the fucking hell out of the enemy team if they get close (sion taric, anyone with a stun) which enables you to position yourself to punt them into a wall and rape them - this fear will usually keep them at a distance unless they have decent range advantage or grass control.

Poppy is really great to have in the jungle because its basically impossible to not get her stun off (note: not jungling, but forcing fights in the jungle) though you can have some hilarious mishaps where you push someone through the wall.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
October 31 2010 17:54 GMT
#27766
Hahaha i'm watching u nerds play now.

Troll harder plz
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
October 31 2010 18:04 GMT
#27767
Thx for all the advice Nony/STS, what skill order do you do in lane? I've been going EQQEQRQ then R>Q>E>W but should I be taking W over E?

Also in related news, #1 first day Udyr. I think I'm the sickest jungler on TL.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Surrealz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States449 Posts
October 31 2010 18:15 GMT
#27768
hey can some of you pro kogmaws help me out with a good build? Should I be going AD or that AP/Hybrid thing?

Any kind of advice as to play him to the max level possible would be nice
1a2a3a
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
October 31 2010 18:19 GMT
#27769
On November 01 2010 02:54 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 02:35 phyvo wrote:
On November 01 2010 01:10 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
On November 01 2010 00:47 sekishusai wrote:
hey

noob here

how good is this game? i've just installed DOTA on war3 last night and I'd like to try out League of Legends. Is it competitive, is it fun, is it free, is it balanced, is it ..... ?


You won't be getting any unbiased criticism here in the LoL thread...but you're lucky cos' I play both (still do). I'd say both are worth investing your time in since both are games that reward skill (LoL more so than DotA, simply because you need less effort/skill to succeed in LoL than in DotA).

As a newbie totally new to LoL/DotA/HoN, however, I'd recommend playing LoL. DotA just isn't as newbie-friendly.


You're saying LoL rewards skill more because you don't need skill to win.

wwhhaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAT??!?!?!?!?!

Reading comprehension. You need less skill != don't need skill at all.
If you need less skill then if you have skill you are "higher ranked" than you would be in DotA w/ same amount of skill


I just have a different definition for "rewarding skill", evidently.

Having an easy time getting to the top just means the game sucks competitively and isn't worthwhile because no one cares.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 31 2010 18:24 GMT
#27770
On November 01 2010 03:15 Surrealz wrote:
hey can some of you pro kogmaws help me out with a good build? Should I be going AD or that AP/Hybrid thing?

Any kind of advice as to play him to the max level possible would be nice

Infinity Edge + Last Whisper is great on him. It's a lot stronger than bloodrazor imo.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-31 18:38:45
October 31 2010 18:29 GMT
#27771
On November 01 2010 02:54 Kaniol wrote:
Reading comprehension. You need less skill != don't need skill at all.
If you need less skill then if you have skill you are "higher ranked" than you would be in DotA w/ same amount of skill

How much skill you need to be higher ranked has a lot to do with the player quality, not how difficult the game is.

The difficulty of the game factors into how well those skill levels are differentiated--a game that is more difficult is more likely to differentiate skill levels, whereas an easy game is less likely to have skill-dependent outcomes, and more likely to have results based on other factors (e.g. luck).

Incidentally, both are relevant to this discussion, as you might say LoL is less skill-dependent than DotA, but there are less good LoL players as well. AFAIK, "rewarding skill" as a property of the game generally refers to the fact that a difficult game rewards skill by reducing the likelihood that a less-skilled player can beat a more-skilled player.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-31 18:35:47
October 31 2010 18:32 GMT
#27772
On November 01 2010 03:24 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 03:15 Surrealz wrote:
hey can some of you pro kogmaws help me out with a good build? Should I be going AD or that AP/Hybrid thing?

Any kind of advice as to play him to the max level possible would be nice

Infinity Edge + Last Whisper is great on him. It's a lot stronger than bloodrazor imo.

Compare it to BR + Malady or something like that, please. It's not like LW comes for free with IE.

On November 01 2010 03:29 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 02:54 Kaniol wrote:
Reading comprehension. You need less skill != don't need skill at all.
If you need less skill then if you have skill you are "higher ranked" than you would be in DotA w/ same amount of skill

How much skill you need to be higher ranked has to do with the player quality, not how difficult the game is.

The difficulty of the game factors into how well those skill levels are differentiated--a game that is more difficult is more likely to differentiate skill levels, whereas an easy game is less likely to have skill-dependent outcomes, and more likely to have results based on other factors (e.g. luck).

Incidentally, both are relevant to this discussion, as you might say LoL is less skill-dependent than DotA, but there are less good LoL players as well. AFAIK, "rewarding skill" as a property of the game generally refers to the fact that a difficult game rewards skill by reducing the likelihood that a less-skilled player can beat a more-skilled player.


Actually, if a game is "easy", it is HARDER to get to the top and stay there as it is harder to translate whatever advantage you might have over someone into a victory.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
October 31 2010 18:36 GMT
#27773
On November 01 2010 03:32 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 03:24 HazMat wrote:
On November 01 2010 03:15 Surrealz wrote:
hey can some of you pro kogmaws help me out with a good build? Should I be going AD or that AP/Hybrid thing?

Any kind of advice as to play him to the max level possible would be nice

Infinity Edge + Last Whisper is great on him. It's a lot stronger than bloodrazor imo.

Compare it to BR + Malady or something like that, please. It's not like LW comes for free with IE.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 03:29 TheYango wrote:
On November 01 2010 02:54 Kaniol wrote:
Reading comprehension. You need less skill != don't need skill at all.
If you need less skill then if you have skill you are "higher ranked" than you would be in DotA w/ same amount of skill

How much skill you need to be higher ranked has to do with the player quality, not how difficult the game is.

The difficulty of the game factors into how well those skill levels are differentiated--a game that is more difficult is more likely to differentiate skill levels, whereas an easy game is less likely to have skill-dependent outcomes, and more likely to have results based on other factors (e.g. luck).

Incidentally, both are relevant to this discussion, as you might say LoL is less skill-dependent than DotA, but there are less good LoL players as well. AFAIK, "rewarding skill" as a property of the game generally refers to the fact that a difficult game rewards skill by reducing the likelihood that a less-skilled player can beat a more-skilled player.


Actually, if a game is "easy", it is HARDER to get to the top and stay there as it is harder to translate whatever advantage you might have over someone into a victory.

And IE is more expensive than BR to start with, yes?
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 31 2010 18:38 GMT
#27774
On November 01 2010 03:32 spinesheath wrote:
Actually, if a game is "easy", it is HARDER to get to the top and stay there as it is harder to translate whatever advantage you might have over someone into a victory.

Thats sort of what I was trying to say, but it doesn't come out very clearly, reading over my post again. >.>
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-31 18:40:11
October 31 2010 18:38 GMT
#27775
On November 01 2010 03:36 Haemonculus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 03:32 spinesheath wrote:
On November 01 2010 03:24 HazMat wrote:
On November 01 2010 03:15 Surrealz wrote:
hey can some of you pro kogmaws help me out with a good build? Should I be going AD or that AP/Hybrid thing?

Any kind of advice as to play him to the max level possible would be nice

Infinity Edge + Last Whisper is great on him. It's a lot stronger than bloodrazor imo.

Compare it to BR + Malady or something like that, please. It's not like LW comes for free with IE.

On November 01 2010 03:29 TheYango wrote:
On November 01 2010 02:54 Kaniol wrote:
Reading comprehension. You need less skill != don't need skill at all.
If you need less skill then if you have skill you are "higher ranked" than you would be in DotA w/ same amount of skill

How much skill you need to be higher ranked has to do with the player quality, not how difficult the game is.

The difficulty of the game factors into how well those skill levels are differentiated--a game that is more difficult is more likely to differentiate skill levels, whereas an easy game is less likely to have skill-dependent outcomes, and more likely to have results based on other factors (e.g. luck).

Incidentally, both are relevant to this discussion, as you might say LoL is less skill-dependent than DotA, but there are less good LoL players as well. AFAIK, "rewarding skill" as a property of the game generally refers to the fact that a difficult game rewards skill by reducing the likelihood that a less-skilled player can beat a more-skilled player.


Actually, if a game is "easy", it is HARDER to get to the top and stay there as it is harder to translate whatever advantage you might have over someone into a victory.

And IE is more expensive than BR to start with, yes?

I would think so. Though the 280 difference is not all that much.

On November 01 2010 03:38 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 03:32 spinesheath wrote:
Actually, if a game is "easy", it is HARDER to get to the top and stay there as it is harder to translate whatever advantage you might have over someone into a victory.

Thats sort of what I was trying to say, but it doesn't come out very clearly, reading over my post again. >.>


Yeah it's in there, guess I didn't read it that properly
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
October 31 2010 18:38 GMT
#27776
I thought I saw something about Kog's attacks being nerfed to not apply on-hit effects, like Frozen Mallet and BR?
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
October 31 2010 18:52 GMT
#27777
On November 01 2010 03:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Thx for all the advice Nony/STS, what skill order do you do in lane? I've been going EQQEQRQ then R>Q>E>W but should I be taking W over E?

Also in related news, #1 first day Udyr. I think I'm the sickest jungler on TL.


Yes take W over E. My skilling order is EQWQQR R>Q>W>E

the reason is extra levels in W gives you more movespeed which helps you get to your target asap whereas extra levels in E only gives you some damage, but the skill scales better off AP then levels so it's not too huge.

Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
October 31 2010 18:53 GMT
#27778
Interesting... the Kayle you're playing against rushed a malady... I'd never thought of that as an item for Kayle...

Think it has some merit vs rushing rageblade? Does the extra magic damage get at all turned into splash from her E? How about the debuff from malady? o.O
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 31 2010 18:55 GMT
#27779
She was 7 levels higher than everyone else. Didn't matter what she built.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
October 31 2010 18:57 GMT
#27780
On November 01 2010 03:38 APurpleCow wrote:
I thought I saw something about Kog's attacks being nerfed to not apply on-hit effects, like Frozen Mallet and BR?


I think that was a proposed nerf that never actually went through. Regardless the IE + LW build is "superior" because it diversifies your damage over different types, making you harder to gear against while the BR + Malady is almost exclusively magic damage.

IMO BR + BC is "better" as far as damage output goes but it's expensive and lacks attack speed so I generally avoid it unless I get fed early or my opponents are bad.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
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