On December 25 2010 05:25 aseq wrote: Looks nice, but I still don't like Yun and Yang being top tier instantly. Like some skaterboi can just roll by, pick a fight and defeat fighters who train for it all their life, like ryu!
Yun and Yang are from third strike so they're not new xD
I know that. But the whole idea that a character gets introduced and is immediately one of the best, doesn't please me. Maybe it is their character design as well.
Do you guys think Capcom are actively trying to keep the field as diverse as possible, creating new characters to fill gaps and level the field, or is it just 'the more, the better', and get all the popular ones from the past in there as well? I can't figure out why they're making balance changes to Dan, for example.
Well, their last batch of new characters basically all flopped didn't they? hakan, sakura, cody, juri, makoto, basically were all either low-mid of low tier weren't they? Maybe they just over compensated when making yun and yang =p
That's not to mention arcade SF4 to console SF4 too, with that batch of flops...though now it's maybe hard to remember Fei Long, Cammy, and Rose not being any good relative to the rest of the cast.
At this point we don't know that much about Yun and Yang anyway. It's not like Kindevu, Daigo, Nemo, etc. wouldn't be doing well with other characters.
On December 25 2010 05:25 aseq wrote: Looks nice, but I still don't like Yun and Yang being top tier instantly. Like some skaterboi can just roll by, pick a fight and defeat fighters who train for it all their life, like ryu!
Yun and Yang are from third strike so they're not new xD
I know that. But the whole idea that a character gets introduced and is immediately one of the best, doesn't please me. Maybe it is their character design as well.
Do you guys think Capcom are actively trying to keep the field as diverse as possible, creating new characters to fill gaps and level the field, or is it just 'the more, the better', and get all the popular ones from the past in there as well? I can't figure out why they're making balance changes to Dan, for example.
To be fair they've been played for a week, for all we know theres a really easy way to defeat them, just hasn't been figured out yet
Yeah, all the talk about Yun and Yang top tier ruining the balance of the game is pretty ludicrous imo. I can't believe I've seen posts where people are quitting the game because of their hatred for divekick spam and Genei Jin.
I know TL is competitively minded, but: I got my stick and SSF4 for Xmas, I'm a total newb and I'm playing as Akuma, and I'm doing Arcade on Normal. I'm at the last stage now and Ryu is just raping me over and over. I must have continued about twenty times. What should I be doing to beat him?
In all honesty, the best players playing at CF or MGL or Round One arcades, the top 50 players in the US-type, are saying that Zangief and T Hawk are top 5 characters, better than Yun and Yang, the Yun blowup is just cuz Daigo is playing it, its like people saying Ryu is sick ass when in all honesty he's top 10 in SSF4 but never top 5. Grapple characters are disgusting good, and most top americans agree that Yang is actually better than Yun.
On December 27 2010 07:02 ZlaSHeR wrote: In all honesty, the best players playing at CF or MGL or Round One arcades, the top 50 players in the US-type, are saying that Zangief and T Hawk are top 5 characters, better than Yun and Yang, the Yun blowup is just cuz Daigo is playing it, its like people saying Ryu is sick ass when in all honesty he's top 10 in SSF4 but never top 5. Grapple characters are disgusting good, and most top americans agree that Yang is actually better than Yun.
I have a question about stick modding. I recently got a SF4 arcade stick and apparently the thing to do is mod them. Is there any particular reason for this?
On December 27 2010 07:02 ZlaSHeR wrote: In all honesty, the best players playing at CF or MGL or Round One arcades, the top 50 players in the US-type, are saying that Zangief and T Hawk are top 5 characters, better than Yun and Yang, the Yun blowup is just cuz Daigo is playing it, its like people saying Ryu is sick ass when in all honesty he's top 10 in SSF4 but never top 5. Grapple characters are disgusting good, and most top americans agree that Yang is actually better than Yun.
Those rankings are from japan, i read them too, and a lot of people in japan play casually or not at the highest level so they stick to the shoto's
don't try to argue with BS, I've talked to the pros and I've watched and heard what they said on streams, you just say its bs because people play ryu in japan, come on now
A "what is the top 10 BP for each character" list doesn't really mean much, especially this early. Also, unpopular but strong characters would be low on that kind of ranking. Likewise, I wouldn't put too much stock into what top players think either. Not only do they disagree with each other (so they can't all be right), but they also don't know that much about the game yet either. And you can find plenty of top players with wonky tier lists and character balance ideas even years after a game is out, after everything's stabilized and there's a consensus on character rankings.
On December 28 2010 11:38 KaiserReinhard wrote: I have a question about stick modding. I recently got a SF4 arcade stick and apparently the thing to do is mod them. Is there any particular reason for this?
Some people mod sticks as a hobby. Others want to put in custom art or whatever. But in terms of modding for functionality, the two most common changes would be (1) replacing the stock joystick and/or buttons and (2) wiring up the stick to be used for different consoles (e.g. put a module or PCB inside a Xbox 360 stick so it can also be used on PS3).
If you have the Madcatz SE (standard edition), most players find the stock stick and buttons to be subpar compared to authentic arcade parts, so some players replace those parts. The Madcatz TE edition has the popular Sanwa JLF joystick and Sanwa OBSF-30 pushbuttons that are in many arcade cabinets. But there are other joysticks and buttons that some people prefer over those too.
On most commercial products, replacing the stick and buttons requires some effort and rudimentary soldering skills. However, the Madcatz SE and TE sticks are designed such that standard Japanese joysticks and buttons are simple drop-in replacements.
On December 27 2010 07:02 ZlaSHeR wrote: In all honesty, the best players playing at CF or MGL or Round One arcades, the top 50 players in the US-type, are saying that Zangief and T Hawk are top 5 characters, better than Yun and Yang, the Yun blowup is just cuz Daigo is playing it, its like people saying Ryu is sick ass when in all honesty he's top 10 in SSF4 but never top 5. Grapple characters are disgusting good, and most top americans agree that Yang is actually better than Yun.
Those rankings are from japan, i read them too, and a lot of people in japan play casually or not at the highest level so they stick to the shoto's
don't try to argue with BS, I've talked to the pros and I've watched and heard what they said on streams, you just say its bs because people play ryu in japan, come on now
Lol no I say it's bs because I've watched alot of video and I don't believe they are top 5 based on what I've seen. And that list came out on the 26th and I just thought I would post it because it was new and I wanted to contribute to the thread. Tiers are all subjective really I've even heard rumblings of Sakura being top now at one point so I apologize if I don't believe every "he's top five"! thing that gets said or posted it seems more flavor of the month to me.
Edit: Really good Itabashi (Zangief) vs Nemo (Yang) match right here by the way:
On December 25 2010 05:25 aseq wrote: Looks nice, but I still don't like Yun and Yang being top tier instantly. Like some skaterboi can just roll by, pick a fight and defeat fighters who train for it all their life, like ryu!
Yun and Yang are from third strike so they're not new xD
Man for some reason I can't get sf4 PC version to go online. I click the home button when it tells me to and it says i signed in and shit but then when I select the games for windows live option it says "Online play with games for windows live is not available with the current gamer profile" As far as I know the profile never changed and I played with it before many times. What the hell is going on?
I also tried to edit my status (right ctrl) and I can't change anything, get the same message.
On December 25 2010 05:25 aseq wrote: Looks nice, but I still don't like Yun and Yang being top tier instantly. Like some skaterboi can just roll by, pick a fight and defeat fighters who train for it all their life, like ryu!
Yun and Yang are from third strike so they're not new xD
canonically, i think SF4 is before sf3 3s right?
Yup, it is, which is why a lot of people gave up on the story since it is messed up. Then again, no one plays fg's for the story..
Maybe just maybe they are not supporting online play for SF4 on the PC anymore :s Could also be you are missing a certain patch. The game has been patched a couple of times since it came out.
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