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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
You probably didn't know this, Odinsphere, but Juri's fireball-storing kick, QCF+kick, absorbs projectiles. 
Also, you should take a look at the 1st video that keV posted. The Juri in that video is really good, and you'll see a good match between him and Daigo's Ryu as well.
In those videos, once the opponent is close enough, Ryu will not spam fireballs. This is partly because it's too risky: the opponent just needs to jump over 1 fireball to land a big jump-in combo (The timing for this jump-in is basically: you look for Ryu ducking as part of the QCF motion and jump as soon as you see that. Then you can hit him before he recovers from the fireball.).
Furthermore, there is a range where you can jump towards Ryu and be out of range of his shoryuken (as long as you don't do an attack), but if Ryu threw a fireball, you can hit his outstretched arms. Jumping towards Ryu from this distance when you think he's going to throw a fireball is a lot less risky.
Lastly, you should really find people to play with in-person. Online is garbage. Good players don't jump away and throw fireballs because they're smart enough to know that anyone can jump over the fireballs and they're just cornering themselves in the process.
PS: I don't actually have the game myself, but most of my friends play on xbox 360.
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It's not popular because he's good, it's popular because he nerd rages all the time and it's hilariou to watch.
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On July 05 2010 18:31 Aeyn wrote:
It's not popular because he's good, it's popular because he nerd rages all the time and it's hilariou to watch.
I haven't seen many impressive things from him regarding SF4 but he's a very very good ST player.
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United States12252 Posts
On July 05 2010 17:31 Bill307 wrote:You probably didn't know this, Odinsphere, but Juri's fireball-storing kick, QCF+kick, absorbs projectiles. Also, you should take a look at the 1st video that keV posted. The Juri in that video is really good, and you'll see a good match between him and Daigo's Ryu as well. In those videos, once the opponent is close enough, Ryu will not spam fireballs. This is partly because it's too risky: the opponent just needs to jump over 1 fireball to land a big jump-in combo (The timing for this jump-in is basically: you look for Ryu ducking as part of the QCF motion and jump as soon as you see that. Then you can hit him before he recovers from the fireball.). Furthermore, there is a range where you can jump towards Ryu and be out of range of his shoryuken (as long as you don't do an attack), but if Ryu threw a fireball, you can hit his outstretched arms. Jumping towards Ryu from this distance when you think he's going to throw a fireball is a lot less risky. Lastly, you should really find people to play with in-person. Online is garbage. Good players don't jump away and throw fireballs because they're smart enough to know that anyone can jump over the fireballs and they're just cornering themselves in the process. PS: I don't actually have the game myself, but most of my friends play on xbox 360.
Bill you speak of madness.
a) Why do you not have Super =( this game is baller man baller pick that shit up and play with us!
b) Is your internet better than dang ol darn ol FakeSteve's who Canada-lags our games up with his Canada lag
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On July 05 2010 17:41 Panoptic wrote:Anyone know this channel? http://www.youtube.com/user/DSPStreetFighterI'm amazed at how bad mannered this guy is and yet how popular his channel is. Is this the norm in the street fighter community?
No but people tend to have fun watching idiots. The reason is still unknown though.
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On July 06 2010 03:17 iG.ClouD wrote:No but people tend to have fun watching idiots. The reason is still unknown though.
met him in RL. think he does it to be funny. I THINK.....
he was a lot more relax organizing NECX considering how many entrants came in late when their team got called and started bitching that they got DQ'd -_-
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Play this game addictively. Love the franchise. The street fighter series has many similarites to starcraft - very interesting games in their own right. Akuma all day!!
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On July 06 2010 03:17 iG.ClouD wrote:No but people tend to have fun watching idiots. The reason is still unknown though.
hey :D you still playing ssf4 ?
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On July 05 2010 17:31 Bill307 wrote:You probably didn't know this, Odinsphere, but Juri's fireball-storing kick, QCF+kick, absorbs projectiles. Also, you should take a look at the 1st video that keV posted. The Juri in that video is really good, and you'll see a good match between him and Daigo's Ryu as well. In those videos, once the opponent is close enough, Ryu will not spam fireballs. This is partly because it's too risky: the opponent just needs to jump over 1 fireball to land a big jump-in combo (The timing for this jump-in is basically: you look for Ryu ducking as part of the QCF motion and jump as soon as you see that. Then you can hit him before he recovers from the fireball.). Furthermore, there is a range where you can jump towards Ryu and be out of range of his shoryuken (as long as you don't do an attack), but if Ryu threw a fireball, you can hit his outstretched arms. Jumping towards Ryu from this distance when you think he's going to throw a fireball is a lot less risky. Lastly, you should really find people to play with in-person. Online is garbage. Good players don't jump away and throw fireballs because they're smart enough to know that anyone can jump over the fireballs and they're just cornering themselves in the process. PS: I don't actually have the game myself, but most of my friends play on xbox 360.
I do know that her kick absorbs a fireball...I was trying to get in close without exposing myself to his shoryuken but I wasn't having luck. You see online there are people who try to be clever and turn the time to like 30 secs and put it on one round and then get what I call a "pity win". But the ryu I was describing was from awhile back and he even got mad and spam messaged me a bunch of trash talk. Also I don't like to play fighters online because a bad connection ruins the entire fight. I was just trying to voice my displeasure at the "deadly" shoryuken. That shit hits me out of low jabs. Its annoying as hell.Thanks for the jumping tips. I'm a lot better than I was at the time of the fight under discussion. And online its harder because like when I fight dhalsim's they teleport behind you and punch you right? I clearly press the other way to block it and I can't press it any faster and I still get hit. Stuff like that annoys me. I do have friends I play with in person. I'll stick to that with fighters for awhile.
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lol yeah just stick to that
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On July 06 2010 05:11 iD.NicKy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 03:17 iG.ClouD wrote:On July 05 2010 17:41 Panoptic wrote:Anyone know this channel? http://www.youtube.com/user/DSPStreetFighterI'm amazed at how bad mannered this guy is and yet how popular his channel is. Is this the norm in the street fighter community? No but people tend to have fun watching idiots. The reason is still unknown though. hey :D you still playing ssf4 ?
Yeah started playing it again out of boredom before sc2 retail
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Man, I'm slumping hard. Can't get a win with Juri at all.
I also wish I could enter Evo. Damnit. I should've actually found a ride for Thursday instead of Friday. Oh well. At least I know a bunch of people...
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On July 06 2010 12:50 kainzero wrote:
Man, I'm slumping hard. Can't get a win with Juri at all.
I also wish I could enter Evo. Damnit. I should've actually found a ride for Thursday instead of Friday. Oh well. At least I know a bunch of people...
Try changing characters. I started with Makoto and couldn't win any games. Literally. I think I won at most 2 games against guys at my level. Then I switched to Cody and immediately I started winning against everybody.
On July 06 2010 09:43 Odinsphere wrote:I was just trying to voice my displeasure at the "deadly" shoryuken. That shit hits me out of low jabs. Its annoying as hell.
I think you'd hate to play against me. >
If I know someone gets hit a lot by DPs (dragon punches / shoryukens), then I will mash that shit out all day. They jump in on me, I block the light/medium attack and then mash DP to hit them after they land. They start a blockstring, I mash DP for a second in case they try to tick throw. They do a combo, I mash DP to hit them in case they miss a link.
(I almost never do wake-up DPs because too many people expect those. But a lot of people, once they start applying pressure, they forget to stop and bait DPs.)
One strong player here, who is usually among our top-3 tournament finishers, has a major weakness: he doesn't bait DP mashing enough. When I play against him I exploit the shit out of it. And he fucking hates it. Says it's like playing on Xbox LIVE. Hates the fact that he can't pressure me because I'll just mash a DP in the middle of his pressure string. Etc. etc.
(I don't understand why he doesn't learn MBAA with us, since you can rush down all day in that game. )
That said, against most good players I will rarely mash DPs. Despite how good DPs are, their big weakness is that if they are blocked, you end up eating a LOT more damage than what you would've inflicted with them. So expect your opponent to try it: stop what you're doing and block for a sec, then push jab. If they didn't do anything, your jab comes out and your pressure continues after a brief pause. If they DP'd, you'll block it and your jab won't come out, and then you can use your most damaging combo against them.
Look at it from their (my) perspective: if you keep getting hit by my DPs, then there's no reason for me to stop. But if you block a DP and take off 1/3 of my life in return, then I'm going to want to avoid letting that happen again.
The deadly shoryuken is only deadly if you permit it. 
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Germany2762 Posts
i played ssf4 this weekend for the first time on my friends xbox and i really like it. hakan seems to be a really fun character to play and i just love, that adon is back in the game. i loved adon back in the days and now he's on the new sf again. awesome!
i have to admit, that i haven't read all the posts of this thread and maybe this question has been asked before: but do you guys know, if they plan to release ssf4 for pc too? as far as i know, there are only rumors about the pc version, aren't there? i really hope they'll do a pc version too T_T
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On July 06 2010 14:40 Bill307 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 12:50 kainzero wrote:
Man, I'm slumping hard. Can't get a win with Juri at all.
I also wish I could enter Evo. Damnit. I should've actually found a ride for Thursday instead of Friday. Oh well. At least I know a bunch of people... Try changing characters. I started with Makoto and couldn't win any games. Literally. I think I won at most 2 games against guys at my level. Then I switched to Cody and immediately I started winning against everybody. Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 09:43 Odinsphere wrote:I was just trying to voice my displeasure at the "deadly" shoryuken. That shit hits me out of low jabs. Its annoying as hell. I think you'd hate to play against me. > The deadly shoryuken is only deadly if you permit it.
Thats the thing though! I'm in the MIDDLE of pressuring and DP comes out of nowhere and stops it like that. I didn't say I expose myself to it every time someone does it. I just said it shouldn't hit me when I'm doing a crouching heavy kick to punish another blocked move. Like when a person does a combo string or a special move and its blocked they should be punished for it, but Ryu has the uncanny ability to just DP his way out of or through anything. I played this cammy a while back..all he did was spiral arrow...I would block..try to crouch heavy kick to trip him..and POW! right in the kisser with a cannon spike. Don't worry..I learn more from my loses than from my victories. Dumb strategies like that are sort of like a protoss proxy...it might work once..but it won't work next time.
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