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riyanme
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farvacola
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
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farvacola
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uqc7vGf.png) ][/url]would like to tell me what policies should i usually get first and so on? after all what you've guys shared me, i really feel like a barbarian camp. i need to play more. ㅠㅠㅠㅠ cancelled my previous plan. will start again on >> byantine, standard, continents plus, immortal, domination only and all other normal/default civ settings. | ||
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farvacola
United States18870 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 05 2013 05:24 farvacola wrote: Well I'd say policy choice really has a lot to do with your playstyle. Personally, I have never won a game on immortal that I did not open with Tradition; I dislike expanding enough to make Liberty work, and I really like how flexible a 4 city opening ends up being. I've won domination, culture, diplomacy, and science victories all with Tradition as an opener. The biggest fork in the road ends up being the choice between Piety and Rationalism, and to be honest, I've been enjoying Piety a lot more lately. Rationalism feels OP, and unless I'm going for a science victory, I'd rather be clever with religion, culture, and city state alliances than brute force tech. I also rarely if ever invest in the big three end game policies; Freedom if I'm feeling like it. Pshhh, right side of commerce is where it's at, baby. | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
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farvacola
United States18870 Posts
On March 05 2013 05:35 xDaunt wrote: Pshhh, right side of commerce is where it's at, baby. Haha I almost always go at least the right side of commerce, Mercantilism is pretty much a must in most cases. | ||
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Pseudoku
Canada1279 Posts
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Tosstriss
Canada334 Posts
On March 05 2013 09:18 Pseudoku wrote: Civ 5 gold edition on sale (75% off) on Steam right now - 17 h remaining. Still debating on getting it | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On March 05 2013 02:34 Sufficiency wrote: Opening liberty is fine, but not having tradition is stupid. Cv depends strongly on population per city. Not really. While you can debate which one is better to open with, tradition is only good if you get it first, so if you start Liberty there's not much reason to get Tradition after (though I guess you could time it out to get Tradition for free Opera Houses later). To be honest, there's no clear best way to do culture yet in G+K, and it's not even obvious whether Piety is a much better tree than Rationalism anymore at higher difficulties. I will agree that Tradition is maybe a marginally better tree to open with than Liberty, but it's close. The Liberty finisher is much better, the nerf to settler time doesn't affect cultural victory as much, and with Liberty you'll overall end up with more gold to let you play the CS game, which can help a lot when you're just goldfishing and not teching on the military side of the tree. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
I frankly never bother with cultural victories. It is too much a pain in the ass. It also is a bit of an "all in" strategy. The opportunity cost of pursuing culture is just too high given all that you have to forego to generate culture efficiently enough to get 25 SPs. | ||
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farvacola
United States18870 Posts
On March 05 2013 09:48 Cel.erity wrote: Not really. While you can debate which one is better to open with, tradition is only good if you get it first, so if you start Liberty there's not much reason to get Tradition after (though I guess you could time it out to get Tradition for free Opera Houses later). To be honest, there's no clear best way to do culture yet in G+K, and it's not even obvious whether Piety is a much better tree than Rationalism anymore at higher difficulties. I will agree that Tradition is maybe a marginally better tree to open with than Liberty, but it's close. The Liberty finisher is much better, the nerf to settler time doesn't affect cultural victory as much, and with Liberty you'll overall end up with more gold to let you play the CS game, which can help a lot when you're just goldfishing and not teching on the military side of the tree. Well, after having played 15 or so games at immortal and going for culture victories about half of them iirc, one of the two times I managed a cultural victory I started Tradition, filled Piety ignoring Theocracy, and then anarchied into Rationalism as soon as I entered the Renaissance. I then proceeded to hard tech and wonder whore all of the modern wonders, and ended up completing the utopia project with Commerce and Patronage around turn 420 or so. I did have to nuke a dude trying to go to space, pretty much everything went my way that game, and I ended up in anarchy again to finish Piety, but it turned out alright  | ||
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JumboJohnson
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tokicheese
Canada739 Posts
I really don't have a clue what I'm doing in Civ lol. What is the 4 city start? I usually pick my cities more defensively (rivers on one side, on a hill, flanked by mountains, in a choke etc etc) so I can build as few military units as I can. Do you guys not bother doing this and just create some military units? I feel like playing greedy is the only way I can keep up with the AI. | ||
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farvacola
United States18870 Posts
On March 05 2013 11:23 tokicheese wrote: So you guys think Tradition is better? I always rush Liberty --> Mercantile or w.e --> Order. I really don't have a clue what I'm doing in Civ lol. What is the 4 city start? I usually pick my cities more defensively (rivers on one side, on a hill, flanked by mountains, in a choke etc etc) so I can build as few military units as I can. Do you guys not bother doing this and just create some military units? I feel like playing greedy is the only way I can keep up with the AI. At immortal, you better be incredibly deliberate with the placement of each of your cities, Tradition opening or not. During those first 50 turns or so, literally every single command you issue could end up making a big difference in the long run, whether that be meeting a city state first, nabbing an excellent city spot, or protecting workers from barbarians. Nothing adds to the defense of a city like really choice luxury, production, and food resources, so I'd opt for those over geographical defensive considerations almost every time (if you meet Attila on turn 20, maybe not ). And unless I'm going domination or see the need to defend myself or take a really choice city-state, I try to avoid building military as much as possible. | ||
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iGrok
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 05 2013 09:59 xDaunt wrote: I can't see any scenario where you'd want to get tradition after opening liberty. There have been a few games where I have opened tradition and then gone into liberty to nab the unhappiness reduction policy, but that is about it. I frankly never bother with cultural victories. It is too much a pain in the ass. It also is a bit of an "all in" strategy. The opportunity cost of pursuing culture is just too high given all that you have to forego to generate culture efficiently enough to get 25 SPs. For cultural victory, you can open Liberty first then complete Tradition later on. One of the motivations to do this is that Monuments and Amphitheaters are cheap enough that you can build yourself, and you can use Legalism to pop Opera Houses. What I usually do is Liberty Opener -> Citizenship -> Republic -> Collective Rule or Tradition Opener and go from there. On March 05 2013 11:31 iGrok wrote: I think I'm the only one who plays on Marathon. I have yet to decide if its easier or harder, but what I have noticed is that a lot of interesting timings open up. Hitting Artillery is the strongest tech to hit, navies are more important, etc. Because units stay viable for so much longer, you get much more protracted campaigns. Liberty is hands-down a better opener than tradition for almost any start (currently about to get a culture victory after going Liberty -> Tradition). I much prefer playing on Marathon, anyone else? Marathon is a LOT easier. | ||
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xDaunt
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