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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
February 14 2010 18:52 GMT
#101
On February 15 2010 03:49 Red_Storm wrote:
Its not like ICC is hard, just requires a certain level of non-retardation.


Like every other raid.
Get it by your hands...
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
February 14 2010 18:53 GMT
#102
I'm really tempted, but I doubt i'll play much WoW once SC2 Beta starts this month
iD.NicKy
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
France767 Posts
February 14 2010 18:54 GMT
#103
You should train SF4 jamie and beat dan at bet games, that's what you should do :D

Hi susie!
ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
February 14 2010 19:25 GMT
#104
On February 15 2010 03:40 naventus wrote:
Not to be a dick, but just to get a sense - what are people's raiding experiences?

Susie/midian - have you guys done ICC? How far? Just asking, as I would be interested in rerolling.


We both completed the first wing of ICC10 when in a casual guild that was full of very mediocre players. We are capable of doing more than that for sure, but were held back by those guys. I personally have also downed the 3 princes and the green dragon in 25 man in a different guild's runs, but I was somewhat carried on those occasions I guess since I was way more undergeared than everyone else in raid even though my skill performance was as high as anyone's.

I'm certainly capable of not standing in fire, and it seems like that's all that is really necessary for progress in pretty much any raid nowadays :O We just need more people really. Particularly people who are also capable of not standing in fire.

On February 15 2010 03:54 iD.NicKy wrote:
You should train SF4 jamie and beat dan at bet games, that's what you should do :D

Hi susie!


Haha, last time he came over I beat him like 6:1 when I just came back to Korea after my trip to England, he wasn't happy :D Unfortunately there was no money on the line
Nothing worth doing is devoid of risk
ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
February 14 2010 19:38 GMT
#105
On February 15 2010 02:31 Judicator wrote:
Curious if you guys have ran guilds before?


lilsusie was officer and raid leader in DPS guild back in 05 (?) or so. She can clarify exactly when, but she has experience with raid leading and running guilds for sure, no real need to worry about that.

Though, I'm not entirely sure why you ask anyway? What it is that you think would make it hard for us to manage the guild? If it's time, well I'm logging minimum 6 hours a day since I play poker for a living and don't even play poker much nowadays as I'm totally bored of it, and she's logging 2+ hours a day after she gets back from work on weekdays to do her dailies and randoms dungeon etc and more hours than that on weekends, providing we have no prior arrangements or nerd gatherings etc to attend to. If it's something else that may be bothering you, I'd like to hear cause I dunno what you'd be worried about.

I'm certainly open to suggestions and reccomendations as I don't have experience running this type of thing myself, but right now it really just comes down to recruiting the players. We have about 11~12 players signed up already, but they're all alts so if we're thinking about raiding any time soon we either need to give these guys time to get to 80 and gear up or we need a lot more people to start transferring mains or 80 alts to Bloodscalp.

I think it's just a matter of time though, many people have been signing up and showing interest in a short period of time, and the idea is only 24~ hours old. Jump on the bandwagon! The more the merrier
Nothing worth doing is devoid of risk
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 20:19:15
February 14 2010 20:07 GMT
#106
I was in one of the top 20 US guilds(they've fallen down the rankings a bit haven't gotten LK yet) for about 6 months back in the Ulduar Patch then I quit because of school. All my toons are alliance and this is intriguing. What kind of classes are you guys looking for.

I've also done a bit of raid leading and been GM of 2 guilds if leadership ability is needed.
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naventus
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States1338 Posts
February 14 2010 20:34 GMT
#107
A roster of 11-12 people sounds fine.

Maybe it would be helpful to put together a list of classes and experience. It would suck to reroll/transfer when the class doesn't fit raid comp (if the goal is end game raiding).
hmm.
SwEEt[TearS]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1575 Posts
February 14 2010 21:05 GMT
#108
I'm xferring in 2 tuesdays (not the one coming, the one after)
^_^
ima carry you susie
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stk01001
Profile Joined September 2007
United States786 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 22:41:00
February 14 2010 22:40 GMT
#109
you know.. I think I'm gonna go ahead and give this a shot =) I'll probably transfer my character over within the next few weeks. I'm not going to be able to be very active until after mid april cause of my job (tax accountant)... but I've always wanted to try out horde anyway and I'm not very happy with Winterhoof.. so you can count on having some very good ranged DPS at some point =) I'll let you guys know when I do end up making the transfer. (any suggestions on what race I should go with for my lock on horde side? currently i'm a gnome but I'm assuming I have to change races right?.. I'm thinking undead.. although what race would you say has the best perk for locks?)
a.k.a reLapSe ---
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
February 14 2010 22:57 GMT
#110
On February 15 2010 04:38 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 02:31 Judicator wrote:
Curious if you guys have ran guilds before?


lilsusie was officer and raid leader in DPS guild back in 05 (?) or so. She can clarify exactly when, but she has experience with raid leading and running guilds for sure, no real need to worry about that.

Though, I'm not entirely sure why you ask anyway? What it is that you think would make it hard for us to manage the guild? If it's time, well I'm logging minimum 6 hours a day since I play poker for a living and don't even play poker much nowadays as I'm totally bored of it, and she's logging 2+ hours a day after she gets back from work on weekdays to do her dailies and randoms dungeon etc and more hours than that on weekends, providing we have no prior arrangements or nerd gatherings etc to attend to. If it's something else that may be bothering you, I'd like to hear cause I dunno what you'd be worried about.

I'm certainly open to suggestions and reccomendations as I don't have experience running this type of thing myself, but right now it really just comes down to recruiting the players. We have about 11~12 players signed up already, but they're all alts so if we're thinking about raiding any time soon we either need to give these guys time to get to 80 and gear up or we need a lot more people to start transferring mains or 80 alts to Bloodscalp.

I think it's just a matter of time though, many people have been signing up and showing interest in a short period of time, and the idea is only 24~ hours old. Jump on the bandwagon! The more the merrier


Running a 25+ man guild isn't easy and managing 25+ people and raid slots aren't easy. Especially when things don't go as planned or well. There's alot of shit that just comes up and after a while it wears down the best of them.

I have noticed that while more guilds are raiding at a semi-serious level since BC/WotLK, the turnover rate on guilds collapsing and forming with any sort of notable progression has been high as well (at least on the 2 servers I have been on, one Alliance dominated and the other Horde).

Just wondering if you guys know what you are getting into, because I know it seems like a great idea right now, it might not be a month or 2 down the line. I know plenty of players from top3 server guilds who broke off and tried to do their own guild and it never panned out to anything. Same for server transfers of guilds.

Here's the problem I do have though, when exactly will be your raid times (face it, this game and your guild will be raid-driven)? How will you distribute loot (the great guild crusher and choosing a proper system will be important)? You should give some concrete information along those lines so those transferring wouldn't be making a leap of faith (let's hope it works out) or those leveling will have something to look forward to. Yes, I know you and susie want it to work out, but guilds don't always.
Get it by your hands...
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
February 14 2010 23:02 GMT
#111
Blah... I'm on US-Firetree...
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
February 14 2010 23:10 GMT
#112
On February 15 2010 07:57 Judicator wrote:
Here's the problem I do have though, when exactly will be your raid times (face it, this game and your guild will be raid-driven)? How will you distribute loot (the great guild crusher and choosing a proper system will be important)? You should give some concrete information along those lines so those transferring wouldn't be making a leap of faith (let's hope it works out) or those leveling will have something to look forward to. Yes, I know you and susie want it to work out, but guilds don't always.


Way to make what sounds like a really fun venture sound like something really boring.

Aspiring British Caster / Masters Protoss
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
February 14 2010 23:11 GMT
#113
i am wishbones on this server now, i just made a new blood elf account, who knows maybe ill start playing again, i have a level 22 on the other server.

"Newbiest msg of the day goes to"

meeeee!

but seriously i did make the account and im a blood elf, oh paladin. never used that yet.
joined TL.net in 2006 (aka GMer) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41944#2
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4664 Posts
February 14 2010 23:12 GMT
#114
But seriously, with Harmonium transferring off the server I could easily see TL.net being the #1 guild on Bloodscalp. The server is just... really fucking bad at progressing. Harmonium sucked, too, and they were far ahead of everyone else.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
February 14 2010 23:45 GMT
#115
On February 15 2010 08:10 Red_Storm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 07:57 Judicator wrote:
Here's the problem I do have though, when exactly will be your raid times (face it, this game and your guild will be raid-driven)? How will you distribute loot (the great guild crusher and choosing a proper system will be important)? You should give some concrete information along those lines so those transferring wouldn't be making a leap of faith (let's hope it works out) or those leveling will have something to look forward to. Yes, I know you and susie want it to work out, but guilds don't always.


Way to make what sounds like a really fun venture sound like something really boring.



Better boring than frustrating.
Get it by your hands...
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-15 00:03:55
February 14 2010 23:56 GMT
#116
On February 15 2010 08:45 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 08:10 Red_Storm wrote:
On February 15 2010 07:57 Judicator wrote:
Here's the problem I do have though, when exactly will be your raid times (face it, this game and your guild will be raid-driven)? How will you distribute loot (the great guild crusher and choosing a proper system will be important)? You should give some concrete information along those lines so those transferring wouldn't be making a leap of faith (let's hope it works out) or those leveling will have something to look forward to. Yes, I know you and susie want it to work out, but guilds don't always.


Way to make what sounds like a really fun venture sound like something really boring.



Better boring than frustrating.


I agree with that. I ran a guild for about a month, and with everyone feeling they were entitled to something or another, it was an absolute pain in the ass.

Edit: Though I don't think that would be a problem with TL. Everyone shares a common interest, and while it's still possible there may be a few douchebags, the majority of the community has a good head on them, and I think it will translate well into the guild.
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FortuneSyn
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1826 Posts
February 15 2010 00:08 GMT
#117
zero sum dkp and lots of motivational speaches is what made my guild go through vanilla Naxx.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
February 15 2010 00:13 GMT
#118
On February 15 2010 08:56 So no fek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 08:45 Judicator wrote:
On February 15 2010 08:10 Red_Storm wrote:
On February 15 2010 07:57 Judicator wrote:
Here's the problem I do have though, when exactly will be your raid times (face it, this game and your guild will be raid-driven)? How will you distribute loot (the great guild crusher and choosing a proper system will be important)? You should give some concrete information along those lines so those transferring wouldn't be making a leap of faith (let's hope it works out) or those leveling will have something to look forward to. Yes, I know you and susie want it to work out, but guilds don't always.


Way to make what sounds like a really fun venture sound like something really boring.



Better boring than frustrating.


I agree with that. I ran a guild for about a month, and with everyone feeling they were entitled to something or another, it was an absolute pain in the ass.

Edit: Though I don't think that would be a problem with TL. Everyone shares a common interest, and while it's still possible there may be a few douchebags, the majority of the community has a good head on them, and I think it will translate well into the guild.


That's the key. I've ran 2 raiding guilds. One for about 6 months and my current one for about a year and a half. It's more about people with the same goals in mind than about ability, dkp, schedule, etc. If the people you have all share the same goal and mindset; you'll do fine.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
February 15 2010 00:28 GMT
#119
On February 15 2010 09:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 08:56 So no fek wrote:
On February 15 2010 08:45 Judicator wrote:
On February 15 2010 08:10 Red_Storm wrote:
On February 15 2010 07:57 Judicator wrote:
Here's the problem I do have though, when exactly will be your raid times (face it, this game and your guild will be raid-driven)? How will you distribute loot (the great guild crusher and choosing a proper system will be important)? You should give some concrete information along those lines so those transferring wouldn't be making a leap of faith (let's hope it works out) or those leveling will have something to look forward to. Yes, I know you and susie want it to work out, but guilds don't always.


Way to make what sounds like a really fun venture sound like something really boring.



Better boring than frustrating.


I agree with that. I ran a guild for about a month, and with everyone feeling they were entitled to something or another, it was an absolute pain in the ass.

Edit: Though I don't think that would be a problem with TL. Everyone shares a common interest, and while it's still possible there may be a few douchebags, the majority of the community has a good head on them, and I think it will translate well into the guild.


That's the key. I've ran 2 raiding guilds. One for about 6 months and my current one for about a year and a half. It's more about people with the same goals in mind than about ability, dkp, schedule, etc. If the people you have all share the same goal and mindset; you'll do fine.


No ability and competence has everything to do with succeeding at end game raiding. Having the common goal of progression is nice but you can't have 8 shitty players and expect to down bosses even as easy as this game has gotten.
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 15 2010 00:28 GMT
#120
On February 14 2010 20:22 Slox wrote:
I haven't played in some time. I quit several months before WOTLK, but the idea of a TL guild almost makes me want to give the game another shot.

I understand quite a bit has changed since I quit (I would certainly hope so with an expansion and a LOT of patches). It's not like I couldn't look this information up elsewhere, but could anyone provide me with a very brief rundown of what exactly changed since 70 that would make me interested again? I would be returning from the perspective of someone who played entirely too much in the past, but would be interested in some casual raiding / pvp / etc if I were to return.


I'd like to second that request, expect I want to know what happened since vanilla WoW.^^

Also, would I need to buy every expansion or just 1?
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
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