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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On December 21 2009 23:32 lightman wrote: good morning gentlemen, so far everyone has voted for the forced Nxc6 with 7 votes, do you wish me to update earlier since everyone agrees on this move ? well it's forced so yes. | ||
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Emperor_Earth
United States824 Posts
I think your last move was relatively weak. It exposes your king side pawn structure for a very temperate attack. White can 1. Nxc6 bxc6 2.Bd4 and your fianchettoed bishop becomes a liability. Losing this bishop removes a key component of your kingside defense, which you already compromised by 0. .. f4?! Make sure to follow up a 1. Bxf4?! with 1. .. Nxd4. If 1. .. Rxf4, then Ne6 makes the Queen uncomfortable and wins the rook. 2. Bxh6 should be met with 2. .. Nxe2+. Any other second move in this line should be rather obvious. | ||
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Emperor_Earth
United States824 Posts
On December 21 2009 23:56 Emperor_Earth wrote: + Show Spoiler + I think your last move was relatively weak. It exposes your king side pawn structure for a very temperate attack. White can 1. Nxc6 bxc6 2.Bd4 and your fianchettoed bishop becomes a liability. Losing this bishop removes a key component of your kingside defense, which you already compromised by 0. .. f4?! Make sure to follow up a 1. Bxf4?! with 1. .. Nxd4. If 1. .. Rxf4, then Ne6 makes the Queen uncomfortable and wins the rook. 2. Bxh6 should be met with 2. .. Nxe2+. Any other second move in this line should be rather obvious. You're black, right? | ||
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
jfazz I would love to start working on d4 opening is there any books you recommend or some threads in other forums were this particular opening is discussed. It seems like the pace is right for me and has some risky moves wich are always fun to try playing online and with friends wich is what I play with mostly. BTW I think Nxc6 can be posted. Start the discussion for the next move it's already Monday and I don't see anyone discussing the next move. Light post your analysis after the game is done. If you and jfazz post your notes after the games I will love you long time. | ||
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
10...dxc6 + Show Spoiler + The amount of options we have if he goes for this is stagering. I have issues with that move becuase every way I play it I can find a way for black to screw me over but he shouldn't. 10... dxc6 should be a bad move for black so I'm obviously missing something. | ||
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jfazz
Australia672 Posts
Tell me a little more about yourself, there a couple of different ways to play 1.d4. For example, Topalov is super aggressive with 1.d4, as is Aronian or Alekhine. Karpov and Kramnik are much slower, grinding players. To give a more concrete example, take the Grunfeld defence - white has a great number of systems he can employ, depending on exactly how positionally he wants to play. I like the central variation with Nf3, followed by Topalov's exchange sacrifice - this may seem at odds with my repetoire, but white gets SO MUCH positional compensation that it suits me perfectly. I like those sort of positions where black can only play a passive defense while white has a free reign to build up his position greadually. For the super grinders (Kramnik, Petrosian and Karpov notably) there is the russian variation, with the super strong centre, active queen and bishops. Funnily enough it is named after them! Then it is simple things like, do you allow a Nimzo-Indian, or do you instead decline and force a Queen's Indian? If its a Queen's Indian, what variation? Complex 4.Bf4 line (miles variation, scores well for white, but theroetically offers no example), aggressive 4.e3 (counter-intuitive that this gives the strongest attack!) or the mainline 4.g3 with a counter fianchetto? I like the Petrosian system personally, with 5.a3 (its more accurate than 4.a3, as in 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.Bd3 Bb7 5.a3 - by posting your bishop first, you do limit black's deployment slightly). So, I can give some REALLY specific stuff if you let me know a little more about yourself  I can even give a theory dump if you want  That said, books! If you want a good place to start: GETTING A TASTE: -John Cox: Starting Out 1.d4! A Repetoire for the Improving Player (the better one) -Richard Palliser, Play 1.d4 BUILDING A SOLID REPETOIRE: -Joe Gallagher, Play the King's Indian -Matthew Sadler, The Queen's Gambit Declined (probably the best book on this opening for theory) -Matthew Sadler, The Slav and Semi-Slav Defences (great 6.Qc2 section, or 6.Bf4, my favourites) -Jacob Aagaard, Starting Out: The Gruenfeld (amazing book, the best) -John Cox, Dealing with the 1.d4 deviations -Jan Pinski, The Benko Gambit (best book on this) on top of that: -Mark Devoretsky and Artur Yusupov, Positional Play -John Emms, Simple Chess (a MUST buy for an improving player) -Neil McDonald, The Art of Playing Chess Move by Move -Jacob Aagaard, Excelling at Positional Chess -Alexander Baburin, Winning Pawn Structures -Alexander Kotov, Play Like a Grandmaster And certainly get any collection of Petrosians best games, he is MUCH easier to follow than Karpov or Kramnik. To quote noted chess author Raymond Keene, "it is with the simplest of moves that Petrosian dispels his opponent's initiative, making it seem to the rest of us that our own world championship is just a few games away". Let me know what I can do. | ||
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jfazz
Australia672 Posts
amazing. | ||
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Ikari
United States176 Posts
On December 22 2009 01:06 Arhkangel wrote: Can someone please help analysing + Show Spoiler + 10...dxc6 Pretty sure jfazz posted this earlier, but it's + Show Spoiler + 10...dxc6 11.Qxd8 Rxd8 12.Bxf4 | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
If Nxc6 wasn't available what move would you guys do? | ||
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proberecall
United States104 Posts
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lightman
United States731 Posts
just played 10 .... bxc6 Next voting closes on WEDNESDAY | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
11.Bd4 is tempting but then how to respond to 11... e5? Will need to think about this for a while before voting. | ||
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Ikari
United States176 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On December 22 2009 04:48 citi.zen wrote: + Show Spoiler + 11.Bd4 is tempting but then how to respond to 11... e5? Will need to think about this for a while before voting. + Show Spoiler + 11. ... e5? 12. Bc5 And white has a bind on the center. Black can't play an immediate d6 to free his bishop, and 11. ...e5 also closes off the g7 bishop's diagonal. Now the g7 bishop is doing nothing and black has to waste some moves to get it out. +=. I vote for 11. Bd4 | ||
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
I will see wich of those books i can get for Kindle right away the other I will have to wait for later this month when I'm visiting NY. Gotta hit B&N for some books will add the ones I can't get as eBooks. Regarding the next move + Show Spoiler + Instead of 11.Bd4: 11.Bd2 g5 12.g3 fxg3 13.hxg3 Bf5 I think it addreses the e5 threat well and will screw Black position even more. It also weakens his King side a little wich right now is pretty solid. The only downside I see is giving his Knight another space to move to but it's not like there is a way we cant attack it without trading Bishops anyway. We are not loosing the c1-h6 line wich I think is very important Not casting my vote just yet because knowing myself I'm probably doing something wrong :p | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
I don't see any reason to play passively due to the e5 threat because we would gain such a powerful bishop on c5. Also lightman, in the game annotations it says you played f3, when you only played f4. | ||
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lightman
United States731 Posts
On December 22 2009 01:48 jfazz wrote: Arhkangel, I already posted a line in my analysis that is a forced win for white. Enjoy! what !? | ||
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