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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 22 2010 02:20 GMT
#1961
I've seen doran's ring a lot on new jax... seems great for the huge early hp boost and AP + mana regen to leap harass.
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EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
March 22 2010 04:40 GMT
#1962
I'd only go Doran's Ring if I'm laning with someone with a huge lane presence or a heal, since even with Leap spam, there are many lane matchups where you'll get pushed back hard and will need the hp regen to stay in lane and last hit creeps. The hp regen also helps mitigate creep damage, which Jax will occasionally aim to take in order to prep his stun. Even without the Ring, you still have enough mana to capitalize on a strong lane partner like Blitz to drive them out of the lane. Just watch your mana level and don't commit to aggression you can't fuel.
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VelkanKnight
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States69 Posts
March 22 2010 04:52 GMT
#1963
I just started playing a few days ago
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
March 22 2010 13:26 GMT
#1964
general rule of thumb(not just for jax but all characters)

masteries 21-0-9

get the doran ring, or mana crystal or whatever. you will need it. early catalyst works great in this setup. unless you are playing a character that isnt very reliant on mana of course.

masteries 9-0-21

Regen or mana crystal, as you wont need the mana regen.

Brees on in
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 13:42:36
March 22 2010 13:42 GMT
#1965
Jax usually rolls 21-9-0 for Nimbleness. I'm going to test out Doran's Ring more before I give feedback on it as a starter item.
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g1rg10
Profile Joined October 2007
Italy186 Posts
March 22 2010 13:54 GMT
#1966
I've been playing jax since they buffed him, so i can give you some input, tho i'm not top500 material. Doran's Ring is perfect for early game harrassment with leap cause it gives you that most important mana regen jax needs to use his skills, but it lacks that little survivability Doran's Blade offers with its little life leech. I still have to try Doran's Shield, but it doesn't sinergize as well as the other 2 items do with his passive so I don't really like it. And masteries are 21/9/0 for nimblessness absolutely :D
suffeli *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Finland772 Posts
March 22 2010 14:50 GMT
#1967
The basic build for Jax is:

1. Dorans Ring / Shield (Shield offers more staying power)
2. Boots 1
3. Guinsoo
4. Finish either tabi / mercury
5 / 6. Atma + Bloodthirster

Cleanse / Ghost / Flash are viable summoner skills.

I don't like Dorans Blade. Always run elixirs if you are above 13 lvl. You might wanna run some mp5 runes if you are always low on mana.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 22 2010 15:00 GMT
#1968
Blade is only good for ranged heroes, anyways, and even then I kinda feel like it's "bleh." 4% lifesteal is pretty ass; you have to be constantly attacking to get dividends from it, so it's very unreliable as a survival thing.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 22 2010 15:15 GMT
#1969
^tbh, totally agree.

maybe it's just my playstyle or something, but I just have never been happy opening doran's blade on anyone. I've always thought I'd be better off with a longsword or vampiric scepter or regen amulet or anything else that's not doran's blade.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 22 2010 15:17 GMT
#1970
I take it anyways on Twitch, but that's mostly because of the extra HP, and it's still worth pondering taking shield instead, as the regen + armor > 4% lifesteal and 6 measly 6 damage. I've never had a game where I thought, "thank god I'm getting back 3 hp per attack!" yet.
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 15:48:59
March 22 2010 15:47 GMT
#1971
Doran blade is cool as much as opening with the health crystal (or whatever it's called, the 475g healt booster). The health boost grants the chance of being very aggressive and laning better since if you have more health than your opponent he can't engage in a 1on1 fight. I think it's very important to have them on a char that's going mid and is good at it like corki or twitch.

edit: I usually get doran blade on twitch just because I stack 4 of them to dominate mid game. Shield is much better as starter item if you aren't planning to do so :p
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 22 2010 15:51 GMT
#1972
I've been taking blade on Twitch because of the +health and the +6 damage, which adds up during harassment, but if I need to play more defensively shield is obviously the way to go. Usually I lane with a stun teammate so I just need to output more damage = blade.

Point remains, it's a horrible item on a hero like Jax, especially as you're supposed to go AP on him.
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Jawa~
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States291 Posts
March 22 2010 16:01 GMT
#1973
On March 23 2010 00:47 iG.ClouD wrote:
edit: I usually get doran blade on twitch just because I stack 4 of them to dominate mid game. Shield is much better as starter item if you aren't planning to do so :p


FYI - it is almost never good to stack any doran's items.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
March 22 2010 16:05 GMT
#1974
It's very effective on Twitch
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oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
March 22 2010 16:31 GMT
#1975
On March 23 2010 01:01 Jawa~ wrote:
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On March 23 2010 00:47 iG.ClouD wrote:
edit: I usually get doran blade on twitch just because I stack 4 of them to dominate mid game. Shield is much better as starter item if you aren't planning to do so :p


FYI - it is almost never good to stack any doran's items.


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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
March 22 2010 16:36 GMT
#1976
nah stacking doran's is always bad as it means you arent getting useful items like catalyst/bf sword/etc. it just delays the inevitable and if you play at a high level of play ( hate to toot my own horn but im trying to make a point) games end EXTREMELY fast. rarely does a game go over 30 minutes for me because teams are good enough to mark an advantage of take advantage of it very quickly. if you stack doran items you will find the game is over before you even get 1 premier item, which is never a good thing, especially when you are a carry like twitch. this is another reason its impossible to stack avarice blades and shit like that
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oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
March 22 2010 16:38 GMT
#1977
On March 23 2010 01:36 Brees wrote:
nah stacking doran's is always bad as it means you arent getting useful items like catalyst/bf sword/etc. it just delays the inevitable and if you play at a high level of play ( hate to toot my own horn but im trying to make a point) games end EXTREMELY fast. rarely does a game go over 30 minutes for me because teams are good enough to mark an advantage of take advantage of it very quickly. if you stack doran items you will find the game is over before you even get 1 premier item, which is never a good thing, especially when you are a carry like twitch. this is another reason its impossible to stack avarice blades and shit like that


Actually, this makes no sense. Twitch with many Doran's Blades is quite effective early, and the sacrifice is small -- they can be sold later at a very small loss. Perhaps your level of play isn't as high as you think?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 16:41:56
March 22 2010 16:39 GMT
#1978
Games usually end for me as Twitch after I get Last Whisper, heh. Blade/Shield -> Boots -> LW -> Treads, gg.

If it's a good game I'll get BF before the game ends.

Otherwise it'll be a long-as-hell game where I have the ability to get IE and sometimes more. But that's like one-in-five, at best, for me now.

I'm in Brees' boat. Twitch's farming power and speed sucks too much to waste money on dead-end items, but whatever works for you, until it stops working ;p

Edit:
Not to mention this is even with my team always working to delay the end of games as long as possible for me to get farmed. Even so games usually end in about 30 minutes or less. Everyone and their mother knows the longer the game goes, the more likely Twitch will have one good attack on your team and turn the game around.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 22 2010 16:45 GMT
#1979
4 doran's sword = + 480 HP, + 24 AD, + 16% Lifesteal for 1740

Lifesteal value is about 12%/450 gold (from vampiric scepter), so the value of the lifesteal is ~ 600 gold
AD value is about 25/925 gold (from pickax), so the value of the AD is ~ 888 gold
HP value is about 430/1100 gold (from giant's belt), so the value of the HP is ~ 1227

So the value of 4 doran's swords is equivalent to about 2715 gold worth of basic items.

Doing a less hypothetical analysis, you can get similar bonuses to 4 doran's swords by just buying a vampiric scepter, a pickax and a giant's belt, but you'll end up paying 735 more gold, having 1 more AD, 4% less lifesteal, and 50 less HP.

I did this sort of analysis, and it (along with suggestions in this thread) led me to try stacking doran's swords. It's just never really worked out for me, and I wouldn't recommend people do it. I suppose it makes sense when you are playing a character that sucks at farming and doesn't expect to get more than about 5K throughout the course of a game (enough to get LW, treads, + 4 doran's swords) or plans on spending a buttload after that on the next item and wants some midgame staying power. I just find myself building towards 2-3 items after my treads, and stacking doran's swords just slows down my builds too much.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 22 2010 16:50 GMT
#1980
Yeah, if you get LW and Treads with Twitch and you think the game might end too soon for you to get going for IE (BF Sword) then you can just stack DSwords to try to extend the game. That's about it for the practicality of that, IMO.

By the way Mog, assuming you start with a DSword you only need 3 more, so it's actually like 1305. To which I say I'd rather keep going for a BF sword or just buy a Pickaxe/+18% crit cloak, and that's usually what happens for me :x
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