• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 20:56
CET 02:56
KST 10:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada0SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA2StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4
StarCraft 2
General
Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time? SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
Tenacious Turtle Tussle Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1511 users

League of Legends - Page 100

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 98 99 100 101 102 281 Next
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 22 2010 17:00 GMT
#1981
On March 23 2010 01:50 Southlight wrote:
Yeah, if you get LW and Treads with Twitch and you think the game might end too soon for you to get going for IE (BF Sword) then you can just stack DSwords to try to extend the game. That's about it for the practicality of that, IMO.

By the way Mog, assuming you start with a DSword you only need 3 more, so it's actually like 1305. To which I say I'd rather keep going for a BF sword or just buy a Pickaxe/+18% crit cloak, and that's usually what happens for me :x

Again, I don't really support the stacking Doran's Swords gameplan, but for the sake of argument...

I believe the point of the doran's swords stacking is to increase your lifesteal and HP to make yourself much sturdier, while still maintaining some respectable offensive bonuses. I also think you're supposed to invest your first 1655 into 3 more doran's + boots, and then you just work towards LW and then Treads, not work towards LW first and then add more doran's later. Again the whole point, as I see it, is to make yourself as durable and difficult to instantaneously kill with 1 stun in group fights as possible, as quickly as possible, and later worry about upgrading to more efficient offense. Since Twitch's built in offensive capablities are so good, you shouldn't need to worry about it until the other team starts investing considerably in defense, and should first be working on balancing your character out to not have a glass jaw.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 17:04:46
March 22 2010 17:04 GMT
#1982
And my (and Brees' ) point is that in our games we don't have the time to do that ESPECIALLY if you're ganking/team fighting, because then you have even less money.

Literally, if I were to build four DSwords and Boots, more than half my games would end without me even finishing Last Whisper.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
March 22 2010 17:08 GMT
#1983
there is a long post on the forums about why lifesteal early is stupid and you should stop rushing that malady and other stuff. with 4 doran blades, you have 24 attack and 16% lifesteal, ok. that means you aren't even getting 5 hp per hit, which makes it completely and utterly worthless in a teamfight. compare this to spending it on a simple BF sword(only need like 200 gold) and its easy to see why its much better. not to mention on a glass cannon like twitch you shouldnt be trying to build for survivability, but absolutely destroying teams. your team isnt doing their job if you die, its not your fault exactly unless your positioning blows.
Brees on in
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
March 22 2010 17:09 GMT
#1984
Off topic to the current topic, but...
Last night i played a game where we won rather easily, however, I encountered a really annoying style of Eve.
What she did was mass sunfire capes. Cloak, and follow people around. When she was revealed she could tank like crazy and get away. So How do you play against this style?
I was confused at first, but then i noticed that there were new items. =X
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 17:16:25
March 22 2010 17:09 GMT
#1985
On March 23 2010 02:08 Brees wrote:your team isnt doing their job if you die, its not your fault exactly unless your positioning blows.


In fairness, of late I've found it ridiculously hard staying alive against the Jaxes and Nidalees of the world.

F them.

Edit:
Pretty much the only time I've made survivability items that actually help me win the game is when I was playing against Locust that time I made the post about running into him, and he came in guns ablazing Parrleying me and stuff. The 1k crit Parrley/attacks were getting on my nerves (he was two-shotting me and it's not really possible to stop a Gangplank from closing in on target) so I was forced to build armor into GA. Eventually in the crucial battle we killed each other, except I had GA, so we won. Otherwise you're usually forced to build pure offensive due to character design :p
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
March 22 2010 17:10 GMT
#1986
oracles elixir ^
Brees on in
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 22 2010 17:11 GMT
#1987
On March 23 2010 02:09 Gao Xi wrote:
Off topic to the current topic, but...
Last night i played a game where we won rather easily, however, I encountered a really annoying style of Eve.
What she did was mass sunfire capes. Cloak, and follow people around. When she was revealed she could tank like crazy and get away. So How do you play against this style?
I was confused at first, but then i noticed that there were new items. =X


Um, not let Eve somehow mass up several thousand gold? A Sunfire Cape costs 2810 gold. Also learn to ward/buy oracle.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
March 22 2010 17:19 GMT
#1988
On March 23 2010 02:11 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2010 02:09 Gao Xi wrote:
Off topic to the current topic, but...
Last night i played a game where we won rather easily, however, I encountered a really annoying style of Eve.
What she did was mass sunfire capes. Cloak, and follow people around. When she was revealed she could tank like crazy and get away. So How do you play against this style?
I was confused at first, but then i noticed that there were new items. =X


Um, not let Eve somehow mass up several thousand gold? A Sunfire Cape costs 2810 gold. Also learn to ward/buy oracle.

I dont even know how she got soo much money. The game was only 25 minutes. And by the end she had 3 or 4. And surprisingly, her hate spike still did a lot of damage. =/
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 22 2010 17:21 GMT
#1989
On March 23 2010 02:08 Brees wrote:
there is a long post on the forums about why lifesteal early is stupid and you should stop rushing that malady and other stuff. with 4 doran blades, you have 24 attack and 16% lifesteal, ok. that means you aren't even getting 5 hp per hit, which makes it completely and utterly worthless in a teamfight.

well, you're assuming 0 base attack which is wrong... it's much more likely that you'll be doing 80-90 after the +24 from those swords, which is ~13-15 hp/attack. This still isn't tremendously useful in a teamfight, but what it does mean is that after taking some hits in a skirmish, you don't necessarily have to go back home and can instead get back up to decent HP by farming. The bigger issue that you're just avoiding is the almost +500 HP, which is a much bigger deal for surviving bursts in teamfights. The lifesteal is just gravy really.

compare this to spending it on a simple BF sword(only need like 200 gold) and its easy to see why its much better.

well, as southlight pointed out... even though 4 doran's swords = 1740 gold, you get to invest in them piecewise, which means that you're really spending 1305 after the first one and if you come up short on any trip home, you can still get something rather than building towards BF where it's 1850 gold or you get nothing.

not to mention on a glass cannon like twitch you shouldnt be trying to build for survivability, but absolutely destroying teams. your team isnt doing their job if you die, its not your fault exactly unless your positioning blows.

what? if you pop out as twitch and they have a caster that sees you quickly, flashes over and bursts, if you haven't invested in survivability, you're dead before you can do anything. Again, even with good play from your team, you will get burst sometimes and the +480 HP is a big deal for living through this.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
March 22 2010 17:23 GMT
#1990
Have your Alistar carry Oracles and do the Headbutt to Pulverize combo (if the timing is correct it causes them to be stunned in place away from him), keeping Eve away from the team fight for long enough for you to rape her team.

If you don't have an Alistar, you should. Just kidding. Really as long as you see her and don't get raped by the Capes, tank Eve is a horrible tank. She has one single target melee stun. That's it. There's absolutely no reason to target her, so you should just run around her and handle actual threatening targets.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 22 2010 17:23 GMT
#1991
Presumably, you had a bunch of idiots that fed her, because they didn't buy wards/oracles and/or weren't careful. That sort of thing. Anyone stacking SCapes early on is pretty deadly, but a number of people have to be retarded for it to happen. The problem is not with the build nor playstyle, but your team's playskill :p
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
March 22 2010 17:25 GMT
#1992
On March 23 2010 02:23 Southlight wrote:
Presumably, you had a bunch of idiots that fed her, because they didn't buy wards/oracles and/or weren't careful. That sort of thing. Anyone stacking SCapes early on is pretty deadly, but a number of people have to be retarded for it to happen. The problem is not with the build nor playstyle, but your team's playskill :p

I dont know, we finished the game 31 ish kills to 10. With Eve getting 8 kills.
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
Syxygy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
558 Posts
March 22 2010 17:28 GMT
#1993
On March 23 2010 02:09 Gao Xi wrote:
Off topic to the current topic, but...
Last night i played a game where we won rather easily, however, I encountered a really annoying style of Eve.
What she did was mass sunfire capes. Cloak, and follow people around. When she was revealed she could tank like crazy and get away. So How do you play against this style?
I was confused at first, but then i noticed that there were new items. =X

I actually played a game where me and my friends played tanky characters, got exhaust/ghost to keep them in our aura range, and just stacked sunfire capes and our Soraka picked up an abyssal. We're not high ELO by any means, and their lvl 30 pantheon left so it was 5v4 for most of the game and their team was terrible but it was still pretty funny:

[image loading]
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 22 2010 17:31 GMT
#1994
On March 23 2010 02:28 Syxygy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2010 02:09 Gao Xi wrote:
Off topic to the current topic, but...
Last night i played a game where we won rather easily, however, I encountered a really annoying style of Eve.
What she did was mass sunfire capes. Cloak, and follow people around. When she was revealed she could tank like crazy and get away. So How do you play against this style?
I was confused at first, but then i noticed that there were new items. =X

I actually played a game where me and my friends played tanky characters, got exhaust/ghost to keep them in our aura range, and just stacked sunfire capes and our Soraka picked up an abyssal. We're not high ELO by any means, and their lvl 30 pantheon left so it was 5v4 for most of the game and their team was terrible but it was still pretty funny:

[image loading]

lmao, no boots on your whole team :p
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Syxygy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
558 Posts
March 22 2010 17:32 GMT
#1995
On March 23 2010 02:31 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2010 02:28 Syxygy wrote:
On March 23 2010 02:09 Gao Xi wrote:
Off topic to the current topic, but...
Last night i played a game where we won rather easily, however, I encountered a really annoying style of Eve.
What she did was mass sunfire capes. Cloak, and follow people around. When she was revealed she could tank like crazy and get away. So How do you play against this style?
I was confused at first, but then i noticed that there were new items. =X

I actually played a game where me and my friends played tanky characters, got exhaust/ghost to keep them in our aura range, and just stacked sunfire capes and our Soraka picked up an abyssal. We're not high ELO by any means, and their lvl 30 pantheon left so it was 5v4 for most of the game and their team was terrible but it was still pretty funny:

[image loading]

lmao, no boots on your whole team :p

Couldn't waste money! Sunfire capes are too expensive
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
March 22 2010 17:33 GMT
#1996
Looking for advice on my pub game Sivir carry build. What I have so far:

Vampiric scepter
Boots of Speed
Long Sword
Long Sword
Recurve Bow
Dagger
Berserker's Boots
B.F. Sword
Last Whisper
Giant's Belt
Bloodthirster
Ruby Crystal
Phage
Frozen Mallet

After this, we're usually endgame. Do I go for banshee's? Guardian angel? IE? Another bloodthirster? PD? GRB? There seem to be lots of "good" options, but no "great" ones.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 22 2010 17:36 GMT
#1997
That's usually 'cause by that point of the game it's game-to-game :p Similar to Starcraft build orders... core items are usually the first two or three; after that it's really up to the game. For instance, it's great that you go for LW and BT, but what if your team is simply taking too much damage to AoE damage and your tank is unable to farm? Why not go Aegis instead of going for Frozen? What if they're liable to spiking you down with nukes, and you know you're the only one on your team worth anything? Time to make a Veil for double anti-nuke!
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
March 22 2010 17:41 GMT
#1998
I count 11 SFires, which is 220 damage/second if they're all in range. That's...not that great?
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
March 22 2010 17:44 GMT
#1999
During team play as Twitch, or really as anyone, it's key to watch the cooldowns. Position away from the AoE since your ult range can space against it, and open up once key cooldowns like Overload, Tibbers, Leap Strike, or whatnot are down. You shouldn't be eating any AoE and patience can really minimize how much burst you eat.

Of course against low cooldown sources your timing windows are remarkably narrow, but that's all the more reason you need damage to shut down these threats before they can threaten again.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 22 2010 17:44 GMT
#2000
On March 23 2010 02:33 oberon wrote:
Looking for advice on my pub game Sivir carry build. What I have so far:

Vampiric scepter
Boots of Speed
Long Sword
Long Sword
Recurve Bow
Dagger
Berserker's Boots
B.F. Sword
Last Whisper
Giant's Belt
Bloodthirster
Ruby Crystal
Phage
Frozen Mallet

After this, we're usually endgame. Do I go for banshee's? Guardian angel? IE? Another bloodthirster? PD? GRB? There seem to be lots of "good" options, but no "great" ones.

Scepter is a bad opener on her. I think it's generally pretty bad nowadays, but especially with the last range nerf, a decent Ashe or Trist will prevent you from getting any sort of early autoattacking. I'd open sapphire crystal, then build to merc treads, LW, and BT in whatever order makes sense, then make my sapphire into a banshee's veil, then just stack BTs or get Aegis + Starks if you're feeling helpful for the team.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Prev 1 98 99 100 101 102 281 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
23:00
Enki Epic Series #6 | LiuLi Cup #47
CranKy Ducklings153
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 116
Nathanias 64
CosmosSc2 35
Nina 23
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 866
Artosis 708
NaDa 28
Dota 2
monkeys_forever408
League of Legends
JimRising 203
Counter-Strike
fl0m1126
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox327
Other Games
summit1g12203
shahzam617
Maynarde136
C9.Mang0116
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1096
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta36
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21947
Other Games
• Scarra1283
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
10h 4m
OSC
15h 4m
Replay Cast
21h 4m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 10h
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 21h
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
BSL 21
4 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.