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On March 23 2010 01:50 Southlight wrote:
Yeah, if you get LW and Treads with Twitch and you think the game might end too soon for you to get going for IE (BF Sword) then you can just stack DSwords to try to extend the game. That's about it for the practicality of that, IMO.
By the way Mog, assuming you start with a DSword you only need 3 more, so it's actually like 1305. To which I say I'd rather keep going for a BF sword or just buy a Pickaxe/+18% crit cloak, and that's usually what happens for me :x
Again, I don't really support the stacking Doran's Swords gameplan, but for the sake of argument...
I believe the point of the doran's swords stacking is to increase your lifesteal and HP to make yourself much sturdier, while still maintaining some respectable offensive bonuses. I also think you're supposed to invest your first 1655 into 3 more doran's + boots, and then you just work towards LW and then Treads, not work towards LW first and then add more doran's later. Again the whole point, as I see it, is to make yourself as durable and difficult to instantaneously kill with 1 stun in group fights as possible, as quickly as possible, and later worry about upgrading to more efficient offense. Since Twitch's built in offensive capablities are so good, you shouldn't need to worry about it until the other team starts investing considerably in defense, and should first be working on balancing your character out to not have a glass jaw.
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And my (and Brees' ) point is that in our games we don't have the time to do that  ESPECIALLY if you're ganking/team fighting, because then you have even less money.
Literally, if I were to build four DSwords and Boots, more than half my games would end without me even finishing Last Whisper.
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there is a long post on the forums about why lifesteal early is stupid and you should stop rushing that malady and other stuff. with 4 doran blades, you have 24 attack and 16% lifesteal, ok. that means you aren't even getting 5 hp per hit, which makes it completely and utterly worthless in a teamfight. compare this to spending it on a simple BF sword(only need like 200 gold) and its easy to see why its much better. not to mention on a glass cannon like twitch you shouldnt be trying to build for survivability, but absolutely destroying teams. your team isnt doing their job if you die, its not your fault exactly unless your positioning blows.
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Off topic to the current topic, but...
Last night i played a game where we won rather easily, however, I encountered a really annoying style of Eve.
What she did was mass sunfire capes. Cloak, and follow people around. When she was revealed she could tank like crazy and get away. So How do you play against this style?
I was confused at first, but then i noticed that there were new items. =X
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On March 23 2010 02:08 Brees wrote:your team isnt doing their job if you die, its not your fault exactly unless your positioning blows.
In fairness, of late I've found it ridiculously hard staying alive against the Jaxes and Nidalees of the world.
F them.
Edit:
Pretty much the only time I've made survivability items that actually help me win the game is when I was playing against Locust that time I made the post about running into him, and he came in guns ablazing Parrleying me and stuff. The 1k crit Parrley/attacks were getting on my nerves (he was two-shotting me and it's not really possible to stop a Gangplank from closing in on target) so I was forced to build armor into GA. Eventually in the crucial battle we killed each other, except I had GA, so we won. Otherwise you're usually forced to build pure offensive due to character design :p
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On March 23 2010 02:09 Gao Xi wrote:
Off topic to the current topic, but...
Last night i played a game where we won rather easily, however, I encountered a really annoying style of Eve.
What she did was mass sunfire capes. Cloak, and follow people around. When she was revealed she could tank like crazy and get away. So How do you play against this style?
I was confused at first, but then i noticed that there were new items. =X
Um, not let Eve somehow mass up several thousand gold? A Sunfire Cape costs 2810 gold. Also learn to ward/buy oracle.
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On March 23 2010 02:11 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2010 02:09 Gao Xi wrote:
Off topic to the current topic, but...
Last night i played a game where we won rather easily, however, I encountered a really annoying style of Eve.
What she did was mass sunfire capes. Cloak, and follow people around. When she was revealed she could tank like crazy and get away. So How do you play against this style?
I was confused at first, but then i noticed that there were new items. =X Um, not let Eve somehow mass up several thousand gold? A Sunfire Cape costs 2810 gold. Also learn to ward/buy oracle.
I dont even know how she got soo much money. The game was only 25 minutes. And by the end she had 3 or 4. And surprisingly, her hate spike still did a lot of damage. =/
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On March 23 2010 02:08 Brees wrote:
there is a long post on the forums about why lifesteal early is stupid and you should stop rushing that malady and other stuff. with 4 doran blades, you have 24 attack and 16% lifesteal, ok. that means you aren't even getting 5 hp per hit, which makes it completely and utterly worthless in a teamfight.
well, you're assuming 0 base attack which is wrong... it's much more likely that you'll be doing 80-90 after the +24 from those swords, which is ~13-15 hp/attack. This still isn't tremendously useful in a teamfight, but what it does mean is that after taking some hits in a skirmish, you don't necessarily have to go back home and can instead get back up to decent HP by farming. The bigger issue that you're just avoiding is the almost +500 HP, which is a much bigger deal for surviving bursts in teamfights. The lifesteal is just gravy really.
compare this to spending it on a simple BF sword(only need like 200 gold) and its easy to see why its much better.
well, as southlight pointed out... even though 4 doran's swords = 1740 gold, you get to invest in them piecewise, which means that you're really spending 1305 after the first one and if you come up short on any trip home, you can still get something rather than building towards BF where it's 1850 gold or you get nothing.
not to mention on a glass cannon like twitch you shouldnt be trying to build for survivability, but absolutely destroying teams. your team isnt doing their job if you die, its not your fault exactly unless your positioning blows.
what? if you pop out as twitch and they have a caster that sees you quickly, flashes over and bursts, if you haven't invested in survivability, you're dead before you can do anything. Again, even with good play from your team, you will get burst sometimes and the +480 HP is a big deal for living through this.
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Have your Alistar carry Oracles and do the Headbutt to Pulverize combo (if the timing is correct it causes them to be stunned in place away from him), keeping Eve away from the team fight for long enough for you to rape her team.
If you don't have an Alistar, you should. Just kidding. Really as long as you see her and don't get raped by the Capes, tank Eve is a horrible tank. She has one single target melee stun. That's it. There's absolutely no reason to target her, so you should just run around her and handle actual threatening targets.
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Presumably, you had a bunch of idiots that fed her, because they didn't buy wards/oracles and/or weren't careful. That sort of thing. Anyone stacking SCapes early on is pretty deadly, but a number of people have to be retarded for it to happen. The problem is not with the build nor playstyle, but your team's playskill :p
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On March 23 2010 02:23 Southlight wrote:
Presumably, you had a bunch of idiots that fed her, because they didn't buy wards/oracles and/or weren't careful. That sort of thing. Anyone stacking SCapes early on is pretty deadly, but a number of people have to be retarded for it to happen. The problem is not with the build nor playstyle, but your team's playskill :p
I dont know, we finished the game 31 ish kills to 10. With Eve getting 8 kills.
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On March 23 2010 02:09 Gao Xi wrote:
Off topic to the current topic, but...
Last night i played a game where we won rather easily, however, I encountered a really annoying style of Eve.
What she did was mass sunfire capes. Cloak, and follow people around. When she was revealed she could tank like crazy and get away. So How do you play against this style?
I was confused at first, but then i noticed that there were new items. =X
I actually played a game where me and my friends played tanky characters, got exhaust/ghost to keep them in our aura range, and just stacked sunfire capes and our Soraka picked up an abyssal. We're not high ELO by any means, and their lvl 30 pantheon left so it was 5v4 for most of the game and their team was terrible but it was still pretty funny:
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On March 23 2010 02:28 Syxygy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2010 02:09 Gao Xi wrote:
Off topic to the current topic, but...
Last night i played a game where we won rather easily, however, I encountered a really annoying style of Eve.
What she did was mass sunfire capes. Cloak, and follow people around. When she was revealed she could tank like crazy and get away. So How do you play against this style?
I was confused at first, but then i noticed that there were new items. =X I actually played a game where me and my friends played tanky characters, got exhaust/ghost to keep them in our aura range, and just stacked sunfire capes and our Soraka picked up an abyssal. We're not high ELO by any means, and their lvl 30 pantheon left so it was 5v4 for most of the game and their team was terrible but it was still pretty funny:
lmao, no boots on your whole team :p
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On March 23 2010 02:31 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2010 02:28 Syxygy wrote:On March 23 2010 02:09 Gao Xi wrote:
Off topic to the current topic, but...
Last night i played a game where we won rather easily, however, I encountered a really annoying style of Eve.
What she did was mass sunfire capes. Cloak, and follow people around. When she was revealed she could tank like crazy and get away. So How do you play against this style?
I was confused at first, but then i noticed that there were new items. =X I actually played a game where me and my friends played tanky characters, got exhaust/ghost to keep them in our aura range, and just stacked sunfire capes and our Soraka picked up an abyssal. We're not high ELO by any means, and their lvl 30 pantheon left so it was 5v4 for most of the game and their team was terrible but it was still pretty funny: lmao, no boots on your whole team :p
Couldn't waste money! Sunfire capes are too expensive 
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Looking for advice on my pub game Sivir carry build. What I have so far:
Vampiric scepter
Boots of Speed
Long Sword
Long Sword
Recurve Bow
Dagger
Berserker's Boots
B.F. Sword
Last Whisper
Giant's Belt
Bloodthirster
Ruby Crystal
Phage
Frozen Mallet
After this, we're usually endgame. Do I go for banshee's? Guardian angel? IE? Another bloodthirster? PD? GRB? There seem to be lots of "good" options, but no "great" ones.
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That's usually 'cause by that point of the game it's game-to-game :p Similar to Starcraft build orders... core items are usually the first two or three; after that it's really up to the game. For instance, it's great that you go for LW and BT, but what if your team is simply taking too much damage to AoE damage and your tank is unable to farm? Why not go Aegis instead of going for Frozen? What if they're liable to spiking you down with nukes, and you know you're the only one on your team worth anything? Time to make a Veil for double anti-nuke!
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I count 11 SFires, which is 220 damage/second if they're all in range. That's...not that great?
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During team play as Twitch, or really as anyone, it's key to watch the cooldowns. Position away from the AoE since your ult range can space against it, and open up once key cooldowns like Overload, Tibbers, Leap Strike, or whatnot are down. You shouldn't be eating any AoE and patience can really minimize how much burst you eat.
Of course against low cooldown sources your timing windows are remarkably narrow, but that's all the more reason you need damage to shut down these threats before they can threaten again.
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On March 23 2010 02:33 oberon wrote:
Looking for advice on my pub game Sivir carry build. What I have so far:
Vampiric scepter
Boots of Speed
Long Sword
Long Sword
Recurve Bow
Dagger
Berserker's Boots
B.F. Sword
Last Whisper
Giant's Belt
Bloodthirster
Ruby Crystal
Phage
Frozen Mallet
After this, we're usually endgame. Do I go for banshee's? Guardian angel? IE? Another bloodthirster? PD? GRB? There seem to be lots of "good" options, but no "great" ones.
Scepter is a bad opener on her. I think it's generally pretty bad nowadays, but especially with the last range nerf, a decent Ashe or Trist will prevent you from getting any sort of early autoattacking. I'd open sapphire crystal, then build to merc treads, LW, and BT in whatever order makes sense, then make my sapphire into a banshee's veil, then just stack BTs or get Aegis + Starks if you're feeling helpful for the team.
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