On March 12 2010 02:55 Unentschieden wrote:
15% MR Piercing. For mainly Magic users this is better than even 5% more damage since it reduces the enemys effective HP by 15%.

Only if they have 100 MR ;p

Unentschieden

Germany1471 Posts

March 11 2010 18:17 GMT

#1725

To be exact then they´d be cut by 7,5%. Each Point of MR equals 1% more effective HP against Magic. Thus 100 MR means double HP or Damagereduction by 50%.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 11 2010 18:18 GMT

#1726

On March 12 2010 02:55 Unentschieden wrote:
15% MR Piercing. For mainly Magic users this is better than even 5% more damage since it reduces the enemys effective HP by 15%.

BIG EDIT:
hmm, this is a lot more complicated than I originally thought. Here's a comparison on the damage output of a skill doing 100 damage vs. various opponent's Magic Resists, one counting 5% increased damage from Havok, the other counting 15% reduced Magic Resist:

MR | Havok | Magic Pen
000 | 105.00 | 100.00
010 | 95.45 | 92.17
020 | 87.50 | 85.47
030 | 80.77 | 79.68
040 | 75.00 | 74.63
050 | 70.00 | 70.18
060 | 65.63 | 66.23
070 | 61.76 | 62.70
080 | 58.33 | 59.52
090 | 55.26 | 56.66
100 | 52.50 | 54.05
110 | 50.00 | 51.68
120 | 47.73 | 49.50
130 | 45.65 | 47.51
140 | 43.75 | 45.66
150 | 42.00 | 43.96
160 | 40.38 | 42.37
170 | 38.89 | 40.90
180 | 37.50 | 39.53
190 | 36.21 | 38.24
200 | 35.00 | 37.04
210 | 33.87 | 35.91
220 | 32.81 | 34.84
230 | 31.82 | 33.84
240 | 30.88 | 32.89
250 | 30.00 | 32.00
260 | 29.17 | 31.15
270 | 28.38 | 30.35
280 | 27.63 | 29.59
290 | 26.92 | 28.86
300 | 26.25 | 28.17
310 | 25.61 | 27.51
320 | 25.00 | 26.88
330 | 24.42 | 26.28
340 | 23.86 | 25.71
350 | 23.33 | 25.16
360 | 22.83 | 24.63
370 | 22.34 | 24.13
380 | 21.88 | 23.64
390 | 21.43 | 23.17
400 | 21.00 | 22.73

so magic pen actually does end up coming out on top at most realistic MRs.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

March 11 2010 18:26 GMT

#1727

I always opt for 0.33 mana regen over Greed, which I believe is a useless mastery. If regen isn't needed, the neutral buff duration (15%) is better, too.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 11 2010 18:30 GMT

#1728

mana regen and neutral buff duration are both things you wanna put more than 1 point in if they're useful to you though, so they don't make as much sense in a 9 point utility layout. I guess my point is that none of the MUST HAVE 8 POINTS IN UTIL masteries really have the same appeal for investing the previous 8 points in exchange for a single point as the dodge or magic pen masteries.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

March 11 2010 18:59 GMT

#1729

15% duration buff for neutrals is pretty decent, though, to be honest :p

I almost always opt for 0.33 regen just because it's better to have than nothing, especially when I'm running mana hog characters (Ashe Twitch) that I don't really want to have to buy regen on otherwise.

Edit:
On an unrelated note, for all the whining about relative strength you see in forums and stuff, if you think about it, aside from a couple heroes (I'm mainly looking at TF and Alist), the "top" heroes have generally come down to earth, and are pretty even, which is actually kinda impressive. It'll never be able to overcome the "if you want disables Fiddle > all" sort of thing, but that can't be helped.

Now if they'd add more game modes and make TT go live... :|

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 11 2010 19:17 GMT

#1730

Alistar's ult really needs to be nerfed...

TF needs to be redone well

Fear needs to be removed as a game mechanic because it's stupid and I'll totally rant about it again if I have to. Taking away fear and putting in something else for fiddle would probably balance him out better.

If they did those 3 things, it would make me giddy, but I don't see them happening.

I also edited the crap out of my post up there. Seems magic pen > havok in most cases, but they're pretty comparable.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

March 11 2010 19:28 GMT

#1731

I just think the duration of fear is ridiculous. Hey, yeah, I'd love to have a targeted 5 second stun! On 10 second cooldown, too, yeah!

Wait, people bitched about my 3-4 second stun from a 75 second cooldown ult, really?

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 11 2010 19:33 GMT

#1732

On February 24 2010 05:26 Mogwai wrote:
brief fear rant tangent: FEAR IS DUMB. IF YOU WANNA MAKE THE MECHANIC THAT FEARED UNITS ALWAYS RUN AWAY FROM WHAT FEARED THEM, THAT MAKES SENSE AND WHILE STILL STUPID AT LEAST MAKES SENSE, BUT THE WHOLE REVERSE THING IS JUST DUMB! IF I'M FRIGHTENED BY A FUCKING SCARECROW THAT'S CHASING ME WITH A BUNCH OF BIRDS AROUND HIM, THAT'S NOT GONNA MAKE ME TURN AROUND AND DIE RATHER THAN KEEP RUNNING AWAY! RABBLE, RABBLE RABBLE!

SaetZero

United States855 Posts

March 11 2010 19:33 GMT

#1733

and make TT go live... :|

This. Loved the hell out of the few games I played on TT.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

March 11 2010 19:36 GMT

#1734

On March 12 2010 04:33 Mogwai wrote:

Show nested quote +

On net average I'm fairly sure I travel none-at-all whilst feared, as sometimes I run away, sometimes I run back, sometimes I run away and then back (thus making me move 0 ground), so for all intents and purposes I consider it a stun.

A stun that I think is unaffected by Merc Treads, lasts an inordinate amount of time, and cools down faster than almost every other disable.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 11 2010 20:06 GMT

#1735

Mercury's Treads

+30 Magic Resist UNIQUE Passive: Enhanced Movement 2 Reduces the duration of stuns, slows, taunts, fears, snares, sleeps, and immobilizes by 40%.

should be affected by Merc Treads.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

March 11 2010 20:08 GMT

#1736

Ah okay so it does mention fear. 'Cause it sure don't help against blind

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

March 11 2010 20:13 GMT

#1737

Hmm. 15% magic pen, huh? I might have to give up some of my utility for it. Time to go play around with masteries.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 11 2010 20:23 GMT

#1738

My generic caster masteries are
3 perserverence
1 good hands (or Teleport/Ghost if applicable)
4 awareness
1 greed (replace this with improved flash/clairvoiance/etc if applicable)
3 meditation
2 utility master
3 quickness
3 CD redux
1 Presense of the Master

3 AP/level
1 Crit Chance (or exhaust/smite if applicable)
4 Sorcery
1 Magic Pen

Maxes out your CD reductions, and gets Magic Penetration.