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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + actually was thinking about this on my own | ||
iloveambiguity
United States81 Posts
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Spazer
Canada8028 Posts
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lightman
United States731 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 5 g3 Bb4 6 Bd2 c5 7 dxc5 Bxc5 8 Bg2 0-0 9 0-0 Nc6 10 Bg5 Na5 ! (suggested by me) the line I posted before.... 5 g3 Bb4 6 Bd2 0-0 7 Bg2 d6 8 0-0 a5! 9 Qc2 Nbd7 10 Rad1 Qe7 11 a3 Bxc3 12 Bxc3 Ne4 ! | ||
benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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The Raurosaur
198 Posts
On October 24 2009 02:49 benjammin wrote: i'm down with Bb4 Yeah. Or Bd6 maybe? | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + This g3 seems slow as does most Fiancetto positions so black can now take initiative. The move sets up opposing Fiancetto bishops, the ugliness of f3 in such a situation should mean that knights on e4 will probably be safe from pawns. | ||
jfazz
Australia672 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On October 23 2009 22:56 lightman wrote: ok guys let's relax. first of all + Show Spoiler + 5 .... Bxf3 is regarded as 5 ...Bxf3 ? -in chess a question mark means "why?"- taking the knight and doubling white pawns won't make us stronger or him weaker. instead, it makes us weaker and him one "not so important knght" down. that line would likely make us play to force a draw the whole object of our Bb7 is to keep the active bishop attacking a very important line and eventually looking forward to take an important piece or be part of an important exchange. to put it simple: black's bishop in Bb7 is way stronger than white's Knight in f3 ... so why give it away? . and to the guy that keeps saying this is a ponziani opening..... + Show Spoiler + I've always been a fan of the possibilities this can lead to for your knights. But it does require quite sharp play, so I suppose i'd agree anyways with 5...Bb4 since it keeps it simpler and is a solid move. | ||
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On October 23 2009 22:27 Kazius wrote: Did you read the first sentence in this thread? POST ANALYSIS IN SPOILERS... Vekzel won't (literally) read our strategy that way. My vote goes for: ... Bb4 for the reasons in my last post which are still relevant. The same applies to you... if you're quoting his post then you should spoiler it. I edited your post for you in this case. | ||
Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Just a tidy move in the spirit of the opening, if he plays a3, BxNc3 and it's a pretty good position for you, since it's a good variation of a nimzo-indian. | ||
Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
On October 24 2009 08:38 HnR)Insane wrote: The same applies to you... if you're quoting his post then you should spoiler it. I edited your post for you in this case. Done because the cat was out of the bag in this case. | ||
Vekzel
Poland142 Posts
EDIT: I played my move. GoGoGo! | ||
cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + i think this move is quite aggressive which is not really my style of play. other options would probably be 6...d4 and 6...0-0 which would be moves that i feel would give a more comfortable position. | ||
anImaru
United States106 Posts
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I doubt we'll get a better time to castle. He's probably going to castle himself as well, and then we can follow up with Bxc3, he takes bxc3, and then d6 puts us at a solid defense, pawns helping our active bishop on both sides, and to sum up: our position is slightly better. I think c5 at this point is premature and will either weaken our pawn structure or force us to move the bishop back, and d6 is much more reasonable, but again, we won't have a better time to castle than now. | ||
jfazz
Australia672 Posts
I really want to do something crazy...but nothing really comes to mind - still close to opening theory :D so I vote for 6...c7-c5 + Show Spoiler + this is basically standard theory that leads to equality in the fianchetto variation. A sample line might run 6...c7-c5 7. 0-0 cxd4 8. Nxd4 d5 9. cxd5 Nxd5 =. This position would have good play for both sides. We wuld want to castle and play d5 when possible. So what other options would Vekzel have? a) 7. dxc5 - an odd move, giving up central space and options (such as later pawn thrusts). We could simply ignore the white pawn, as c5-c6 is not a threat while we can still play ...Nxc6; and keep developing, either through 7...0-0, 7...Nc6 or ...Na6 (probably better, it pressures the pawn, offering a sacrifice, and would allow us to soon exert pressure of e4 and d3, after solidifying the knight outpost via the move ...a5, covering the c5 square from white pawn thrusts. I think this line offers white very little, and gives us as black too much counterplay. b) 7. a3 and now either ...Ba5 (we are been annoying) or ...Bxc3 (carrying out the threat to double pawns). Note that white cannot play the move b4 to trap the dark square bishop until he exchanges on c5, but black can then play the intermezzo ...Bxc3+; becafore recapturing on c5. This is a pretty mundane move, especially if we play the immediate ...Bxc3+, followed by ...Qe7 to pressure the a3 pawn and stop white's now unopposed dark square bishop from developing. If he counter-pins with Bg5, we play ...h6, entering the Kasparov variation in earnest. If he then exchanges, we are at a cross roads. The super solid ...Qxf6 gives us a good, safe solid position. We will want to play d5 or d6 depending on Vekzel's moves, bring the other knight to f6 via d7 and play from there. The more risky, and lets face it, fun way to go would instead be...gxf6!? (or ?! if we lose ![]() c) 7. Bg5 - not a very good move in this line for white; he is going to give up his own bishop pair before we have even given up ours! simply play ...h6, and he either retreats to d2, wasting a move (unless forcing h6 was worth a tempi this early), or forcing Bxf6, Qxf6 which is good for us. Control of the g5 square cannot hurt us. d) 7.e3 - not a bad move at all. We can just castle however, and await further developments, preparing the pawn thrust ...d5 before maxx exchanging his pawn centre. Otherwise, my observations are that we want the queen on c7 when possible, to cover our b7 light square bishop, to limit tactical threats. Also, do we want to try and exchange his centre OR set up blockades and knight outposts? That is, do we want to play ...d6 and grind, or ...d5 and play for the initiative? | ||
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