EPTTL Chess Match - Page 11
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SnowFantasy
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
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lightman
United States731 Posts
he played 4 Nc3 which means we're on opening preparation. which means we are oficially playing + Show Spoiler + Queen Indian Defense I will repost once again the analysis of so far and what should come is as follows: + Show Spoiler + Case 1 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 e3 Bb4 6 Bd2 0-0 7 Bd3 Bxc3 8 Bxc3 Ne4 9 Bxe4 Bxe4 10 0-0 f5 and black has slight advantage Case 2 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 Bg5 Be7 6 e3 0-0 7 Bd3 c5 8 0-0 d5 9 cxd5 Nxd5 10 Bxe7 Qxe7 11 Nxd5 exd5 with slight advantage for white but black has a solid defense position Case 3 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 Qc2 !? c5 6 d4xc5 Bxc5 7 e4 Nc6 white has development but strange positioning. this line favors draw or black win another variation of the same line is 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 Qc2 !? Bb4 6 a3 Bxc3 7 Qc3 Ne4 8 Qc3 d6 d6 being novelty. equal position for both a more conservative line 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 e3 Bb4 6 Qc2 Ne4 7 Bd3 f5 8 0-0 Bxc3 9 bxc3 0-0 10 Nd2 Qh4 all analysis moves agree on the fact that we should play + Show Spoiler + 4....Bb7 now be prepared for his move which can be + Show Spoiler + 5 e3 5 Qc2 5 Bg5 to which we should replay respectively + Show Spoiler + 5... Bb4 5... Bb4 or ... c5 5... Be7 at this point I don't think white will come up with any novelties because. + Show Spoiler + we are still in the opening and this is why my vote and our next move must be 4...Bb7 | ||
l10f
United States3241 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + i find it interesting he didnt just opt for the most common repsonse these days which is 4 g3 like so 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 g3 Bb7 Regardless yes it's "I vote" ...bc8-b7 | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
thanks to any that read and answer this ^^ | ||
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ixuz
Sweden38 Posts
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iloveambiguity
United States81 Posts
anyway, bb4 leaves us more options, i vote for it. | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
Bishop B-7 | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On October 22 2009 04:35 lightman wrote: ok guys as I told you in my prev post he played 4 Nc3 which means we're on opening preparation. which means we are oficially playing + Show Spoiler + Queen Indian Defense I will repost once again the analysis of so far and what should come is as follows: + Show Spoiler + Case 1 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 e3 Bb4 6 Bd2 0-0 7 Bd3 Bxc3 8 Bxc3 Ne4 9 Bxe4 Bxe4 10 0-0 f5 and black has slight advantage Case 2 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 Bg5 Be7 6 e3 0-0 7 Bd3 c5 8 0-0 d5 9 cxd5 Nxd5 10 Bxe7 Qxe7 11 Nxd5 exd5 with slight advantage for white but black has a solid defense position Case 3 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 Qc2 !? c5 6 d4xc5 Bxc5 7 e4 Nc6 white has development but strange positioning. this line favors draw or black win another variation of the same line is 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 Qc2 !? Bb4 6 a3 Bxc3 7 Qc3 Ne4 8 Qc3 d6 d6 being novelty. equal position for both a more conservative line 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 e3 Bb4 6 Qc2 Ne4 7 Bd3 f5 8 0-0 Bxc3 9 bxc3 0-0 10 Nd2 Qh4 all analysis moves agree on the fact that we should play + Show Spoiler + 4....Bb7 now be prepared for his move which can be + Show Spoiler + 5 e3 5 Qc2 5 Bg5 to which we should replay respectively + Show Spoiler + 5... Bb4 5... Bb4 or ... c5 5... Be7 at this point I don't think white will come up with any novelties because. + Show Spoiler + we are still in the opening and this is why my vote and our next move must be 4...Bb7 + Show Spoiler + why not 5 a3? then like ..d5 6 Bg5 Be7 7 Qa4+ c6 8 Bxf6 Bxf6 and so on seems like a stronger line for white, just wondering why you aren't considering 5 a3 at all | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On October 22 2009 15:56 benjammin wrote: + Show Spoiler + why not 5 a3? then like ..d5 6 Bg5 Be7 7 Qa4+ c6 8 Bxf6 Bxf6 and so on seems like a stronger line for white, just wondering why you aren't considering 5 a3 at all + Show Spoiler + 5 a3 isnt quite so good for white because of something simply like 5.. c5 then white is forced into something more awkward like 6 d5 or 6 e3. It just isnt as comfortable for white and allows room for some sharp play from black. It definitely doesn't gain him any ground | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On October 22 2009 16:42 Divinek wrote: + Show Spoiler + 5 a3 isnt quite so good for white because of something simply like 5.. c5 then white is forced into something more awkward like 6 d5 or 6 e3. It just isnt as comfortable for white and allows room for some sharp play from black. It definitely doesn't gain him any ground + Show Spoiler + do you really think that transposing to a petrosian system is a bad idea, it seems like a slam dunk to me, i mean w/e to each his own but it seems viable enough to earn notice | ||
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
On October 22 2009 16:42 Divinek wrote: + Show Spoiler + 5 a3 isnt quite so good for white because of something simply like 5.. c5 then white is forced into something more awkward like 6 d5 or 6 e3. It just isnt as comfortable for white and allows room for some sharp play from black. It definitely doesn't gain him any ground + Show Spoiler + Actually, a3 other than limiting the scope of the white squared bishop allows for a later b4, and white has a massive space advantage on the queen's side. It is therefor a surprisingly popular move in case of Bb7. Bb4 means that he has to move the queen, otherwise c3 and the pawn structure is open to abuse, so we gain some tempo and flexibility with the dark squared bishop. Naturally, a later a3 move is always a candidate, but then we can retreat the bishop according to how things are going. edit: c5 is a good reply, but it limits the scope of the bishop and can be answered by bringing various pieces to defend and develop white's position further... and I don't like games where white can follow a clear cut strategy unharassed. | ||
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Spazer
Canada8031 Posts
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jfazz
Australia672 Posts
All that said, I prefer 4...Bc8-Bb7 because I am a classical guy at heart. Now: a) 5.a3 Ne4 6.Nxe4 Bxe4 7.Nd2 Bb7 8. e4 Qf6 9. d5 Bc5 10.Qf3 Bd4 with equality, but a slightl nagging advantage for white going into an endgame if he can avoid mass exchanges. What you would expect from a pseudo-petrosian system. See Piket vs Anand, Gausdal 1986 for a good example of this line. notes: also after 5.a3 d5 is also possible, such as 6.cxd5 Nxd5 7.Qa4+ Qd7 8.Qc2 Nxc3 ahhh, dont have time for this right now, so quickly off my head (sorry if I miss a variation, I dont have my notes with me): c) 5.Bg5 Bb4 (although in more recent times I have had heavy success with 5.h6) d) 5.e3 Bb4 e) 5.g3 Bb4 f) 5.Qc2 Bb4 g) 5.Bf4 Be7 (here I reference Karpov and more recently Aargaard) h) 5.e4! Nxe4 6. Bd3 Nxc3 7. bxc3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 with in my opinion, already a slightly better game for black, though white has some initiative, as in Johansen v Tallaksen, 2006. | ||
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Zinbiel
Sweden878 Posts
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