• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:11
CEST 15:11
KST 22:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202535RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams4Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread RSL Season 1 - Final Week The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams BW General Discussion ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 841 users

TL Chess Match - Page 10

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 31 Next All
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 08:37:33
October 20 2009 08:35 GMT
#181
My vote goes to c5-c7, into Benoni. + Show Spoiler +
we can always follow up with b7-b6 or even the offensive b7-b5 to open things up. We're playing against a single player who can form a clear strategy on his own, we need to bring tactics into play since this would be easier for us to exploit as a group. I think a more defensive game plays right into Vekzel's hands.

edit: on a different note, Carlsen broke 2800, and is within 9 points of Topalov. Surely, he's destined for great things.
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 08:54:26
October 20 2009 08:54 GMT
#182
Well normally I would not get myself into this kind of opening with black but since we are here...

I vote c7-c5.
We are vigilant.
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
October 20 2009 09:20 GMT
#183
d7-d5

+ Show Spoiler +
DECLINED

arbiter, why not go for the stronger middle position while we have the opportunity? why get all flashy with benoni? i was never a fan of it
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
October 20 2009 11:07 GMT
#184
I'm just going to withdraw from this because my chess knowledge isn't nearly extensive enough. :p
Writer
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
October 20 2009 11:48 GMT
#185
On October 20 2009 20:07 scintilliaSD wrote:
I'm just going to withdraw from this because my chess knowledge isn't nearly extensive enough. :p

Yeah i have no idea what im doing , take me out aswell
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Vekzel
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Poland142 Posts
October 20 2009 11:49 GMT
#186
Guys, you've got to be kidding.
#1 Stork Fan II RET FIGHTING!!! II Nal_rA, Calm, UpMaGiC: GL 2U! II sAviOr: recover PLZ!
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
October 20 2009 12:40 GMT
#187
Divinek, let me tell youo, its NOT just at superGM level. Im only a CM, and even at my lowly level, black just has to play defensively going for a draw. We win games with the black pieces when White tries too hard to force winning opportunities, making positional concessions to further his aims, only to have those self created weaknesses come back to bite them later.
Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
October 20 2009 12:44 GMT
#188
c5-c7
Depops
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Australia101 Posts
October 20 2009 13:47 GMT
#189
b7-b6
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4722 Posts
October 20 2009 14:23 GMT
#190
On October 20 2009 21:44 ZBiR wrote:
c5-c7


Excellent move. But now you have given away that we have a DT on the board.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 20 2009 14:34 GMT
#191
On October 20 2009 23:23 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2009 21:44 ZBiR wrote:
c5-c7


Excellent move. But now you have given away that we have a DT on the board.


nice win lol

i'll take someones spot if they drops if thats cool O_o
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
October 20 2009 14:35 GMT
#192
c5
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
October 20 2009 15:05 GMT
#193
On October 20 2009 20:48 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2009 20:07 scintilliaSD wrote:
I'm just going to withdraw from this because my chess knowledge isn't nearly extensive enough. :p

Yeah i have no idea what im doing , take me out aswell
The opening is just like that. I think it'll be easier for us to contribute when it gets to the midgame.
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
October 20 2009 15:42 GMT
#194
ok guys, we're only on move 3, which means we're on opening preparation.

if we play b6 -which we should- we will be playing

+ Show Spoiler +
Queen Indian Defense


the analysis of so far and what should come is as follows:


+ Show Spoiler +

Case 1

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 e3 Bb4
6 Bd2 0-0
7 Bd3 Bxc3
8 Bxc3 Ne4
9 Bxe4 Bxe4
10 0-0 f5

and black has slight advantage

Case 2

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 Bg5 Be7
6 e3 0-0
7 Bd3 c5
8 0-0 d5
9 cxd5 Nxd5
10 Bxe7 Qxe7
11 Nxd5 exd5

with slight advantage for white but black has a solid defense position

Case 3

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 Qc2 !? c5
6 d4xc5 Bxc5
7 e4 Nc6

white has development but strange positioning. this line favors draw or black win

another variation of the same line is

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 Qc2 !? Bb4
6 a3 Bxc3
7 Qc3 Ne4
8 Qc3 d6

d6 being novelty. equal position for both

a more conservative line

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 e3 Bb4
6 Qc2 Ne4
7 Bd3 f5
8 0-0 Bxc3
9 bxc3 0-0
10 Nd2 Qh4



Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
anImaru
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States106 Posts
October 20 2009 18:09 GMT
#195
On October 21 2009 00:42 lightman wrote:
ok guys, we're only on move 3, which means we're on opening preparation.

if we play b6 -which we should- we will be playing

+ Show Spoiler +
Queen Indian Defense


the analysis of so far and what should come is as follows:


+ Show Spoiler +

Case 1

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 e3 Bb4
6 Bd2 0-0
7 Bd3 Bxc3
8 Bxc3 Ne4
9 Bxe4 Bxe4
10 0-0 f5

and black has slight advantage

Case 2

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 Bg5 Be7
6 e3 0-0
7 Bd3 c5
8 0-0 d5
9 cxd5 Nxd5
10 Bxe7 Qxe7
11 Nxd5 exd5

with slight advantage for white but black has a solid defense position

Case 3

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 Qc2 !? c5
6 d4xc5 Bxc5
7 e4 Nc6

white has development but strange positioning. this line favors draw or black win

another variation of the same line is

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 Qc2 !? Bb4
6 a3 Bxc3
7 Qc3 Ne4
8 Qc3 d6

d6 being novelty. equal position for both

a more conservative line

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 e3 Bb4
6 Qc2 Ne4
7 Bd3 f5
8 0-0 Bxc3
9 bxc3 0-0
10 Nd2 Qh4





the only problem is your analysis is all based on + Show Spoiler +
4. Nc3 which is not whites main response to the Queen's Indian. 4. g3 is the more conventional response. I still support playing the Queen's Indian though as it used to be my opening against 1. d4 for quite a while before switching to the semi-slav

iloveambiguity
Profile Joined August 2009
United States81 Posts
October 21 2009 01:35 GMT
#196
its too early to post analysis, just decide if you want early or late game aggression, b6 for example, is more conservative than c5...
It is pretty much theory till like move 20, so deal wit hit chumps
Vekzel
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Poland142 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 15:36:10
October 21 2009 15:14 GMT
#197
Sorry guys for being late. I'll update all stuff within couple of minutes.

EDIT: Done. Voting time!
#1 Stork Fan II RET FIGHTING!!! II Nal_rA, Calm, UpMaGiC: GL 2U! II sAviOr: recover PLZ!
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 18:32:13
October 21 2009 17:55 GMT
#198
+ Show Spoiler +
Do you guys think 4...Bb4 would be worth it? Or should we just fianchetto one of them?

Edit: Eh, I'll go for it.
Vote: 4... Bf8-b4
anImaru
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 18:22:57
October 21 2009 18:15 GMT
#199
+ Show Spoiler +

It simply depends on what people are more comfortable playing...queen's indian or a nimzo/queen's indian hybrid. Both moves are viable. I personally prefer 4...Bb7. Edit: It is quite likely that both will be played. The order simply removes certain lines from consideration.


I vote 4...Bc8-b7.



Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
October 21 2009 19:05 GMT
#200
Bf8-b4
+ Show Spoiler +
the only way to make the classic a3 reply weaker
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 31 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Esports World Cup
10:00
2025 - Day 2
Clem vs SolarLIVE!
Reynor vs Maru
herO vs Cure
Serral vs Classic
EWC_Arena8559
ComeBackTV 2617
TaKeTV 571
Hui .523
3DClanTV 365
Rex241
EnkiAlexander 182
CranKy Ducklings166
mcanning128
Reynor110
UpATreeSC81
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EWC_Arena8559
Hui .523
Rex 241
mcanning 128
Reynor 110
UpATreeSC 81
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 2580
Barracks 2060
Flash 1309
Jaedong 1285
EffOrt 978
BeSt 734
Stork 605
Mini 516
ggaemo 358
Soma 279
[ Show more ]
ToSsGirL 260
Last 237
Snow 217
Soulkey 202
ZerO 171
Hyun 132
Rush 106
Dewaltoss 93
GuemChi 70
zelot 66
TY 63
soO 58
Sacsri 39
JulyZerg 37
sorry 31
scan(afreeca) 26
Movie 14
Icarus 12
Terrorterran 11
Bale 9
ivOry 8
Yoon 6
Britney 0
Dota 2
Gorgc2418
XcaliburYe307
420jenkins207
Counter-Strike
sgares521
oskar242
allub136
edward48
Super Smash Bros
Westballz31
Other Games
singsing1908
hiko1698
B2W.Neo950
crisheroes404
SortOf173
Fuzer 135
ArmadaUGS52
QueenE18
ZerO(Twitch)8
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH310
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV596
League of Legends
• Nemesis3048
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
20h 50m
TBD vs Zoun
TBD vs SHIN
TBD vs ShoWTimE
TBD vs Rogue
Esports World Cup
1d 21h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.