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Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 08:37:33
October 20 2009 08:35 GMT
#181
My vote goes to c5-c7, into Benoni. + Show Spoiler +
we can always follow up with b7-b6 or even the offensive b7-b5 to open things up. We're playing against a single player who can form a clear strategy on his own, we need to bring tactics into play since this would be easier for us to exploit as a group. I think a more defensive game plays right into Vekzel's hands.

edit: on a different note, Carlsen broke 2800, and is within 9 points of Topalov. Surely, he's destined for great things.
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Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 08:54:26
October 20 2009 08:54 GMT
#182
Well normally I would not get myself into this kind of opening with black but since we are here...

I vote c7-c5.
We are vigilant.
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
October 20 2009 09:20 GMT
#183
d7-d5

+ Show Spoiler +
DECLINED

arbiter, why not go for the stronger middle position while we have the opportunity? why get all flashy with benoni? i was never a fan of it
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
October 20 2009 11:07 GMT
#184
I'm just going to withdraw from this because my chess knowledge isn't nearly extensive enough. :p
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
October 20 2009 11:48 GMT
#185
On October 20 2009 20:07 scintilliaSD wrote:
I'm just going to withdraw from this because my chess knowledge isn't nearly extensive enough. :p

Yeah i have no idea what im doing , take me out aswell
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Vekzel
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Poland142 Posts
October 20 2009 11:49 GMT
#186
Guys, you've got to be kidding.
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
October 20 2009 12:40 GMT
#187
Divinek, let me tell youo, its NOT just at superGM level. Im only a CM, and even at my lowly level, black just has to play defensively going for a draw. We win games with the black pieces when White tries too hard to force winning opportunities, making positional concessions to further his aims, only to have those self created weaknesses come back to bite them later.
Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
October 20 2009 12:44 GMT
#188
c5-c7
Depops
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Australia101 Posts
October 20 2009 13:47 GMT
#189
b7-b6
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
October 20 2009 14:23 GMT
#190
On October 20 2009 21:44 ZBiR wrote:
c5-c7


Excellent move. But now you have given away that we have a DT on the board.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
October 20 2009 14:34 GMT
#191
On October 20 2009 23:23 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2009 21:44 ZBiR wrote:
c5-c7


Excellent move. But now you have given away that we have a DT on the board.


nice win lol

i'll take someones spot if they drops if thats cool O_o
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
October 20 2009 14:35 GMT
#192
c5
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
October 20 2009 15:05 GMT
#193
On October 20 2009 20:48 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2009 20:07 scintilliaSD wrote:
I'm just going to withdraw from this because my chess knowledge isn't nearly extensive enough. :p

Yeah i have no idea what im doing , take me out aswell
The opening is just like that. I think it'll be easier for us to contribute when it gets to the midgame.
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
October 20 2009 15:42 GMT
#194
ok guys, we're only on move 3, which means we're on opening preparation.

if we play b6 -which we should- we will be playing

+ Show Spoiler +
Queen Indian Defense


the analysis of so far and what should come is as follows:


+ Show Spoiler +

Case 1

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 e3 Bb4
6 Bd2 0-0
7 Bd3 Bxc3
8 Bxc3 Ne4
9 Bxe4 Bxe4
10 0-0 f5

and black has slight advantage

Case 2

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 Bg5 Be7
6 e3 0-0
7 Bd3 c5
8 0-0 d5
9 cxd5 Nxd5
10 Bxe7 Qxe7
11 Nxd5 exd5

with slight advantage for white but black has a solid defense position

Case 3

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 Qc2 !? c5
6 d4xc5 Bxc5
7 e4 Nc6

white has development but strange positioning. this line favors draw or black win

another variation of the same line is

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 Qc2 !? Bb4
6 a3 Bxc3
7 Qc3 Ne4
8 Qc3 d6

d6 being novelty. equal position for both

a more conservative line

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 e3 Bb4
6 Qc2 Ne4
7 Bd3 f5
8 0-0 Bxc3
9 bxc3 0-0
10 Nd2 Qh4



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anImaru
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States106 Posts
October 20 2009 18:09 GMT
#195
On October 21 2009 00:42 lightman wrote:
ok guys, we're only on move 3, which means we're on opening preparation.

if we play b6 -which we should- we will be playing

+ Show Spoiler +
Queen Indian Defense


the analysis of so far and what should come is as follows:


+ Show Spoiler +

Case 1

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 e3 Bb4
6 Bd2 0-0
7 Bd3 Bxc3
8 Bxc3 Ne4
9 Bxe4 Bxe4
10 0-0 f5

and black has slight advantage

Case 2

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 Bg5 Be7
6 e3 0-0
7 Bd3 c5
8 0-0 d5
9 cxd5 Nxd5
10 Bxe7 Qxe7
11 Nxd5 exd5

with slight advantage for white but black has a solid defense position

Case 3

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 Qc2 !? c5
6 d4xc5 Bxc5
7 e4 Nc6

white has development but strange positioning. this line favors draw or black win

another variation of the same line is

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 Qc2 !? Bb4
6 a3 Bxc3
7 Qc3 Ne4
8 Qc3 d6

d6 being novelty. equal position for both

a more conservative line

1 d4 Nf6
2 c4 e6
3 Nf3 b6
4 Nc3 Bb7
5 e3 Bb4
6 Qc2 Ne4
7 Bd3 f5
8 0-0 Bxc3
9 bxc3 0-0
10 Nd2 Qh4





the only problem is your analysis is all based on + Show Spoiler +
4. Nc3 which is not whites main response to the Queen's Indian. 4. g3 is the more conventional response. I still support playing the Queen's Indian though as it used to be my opening against 1. d4 for quite a while before switching to the semi-slav

iloveambiguity
Profile Joined August 2009
United States81 Posts
October 21 2009 01:35 GMT
#196
its too early to post analysis, just decide if you want early or late game aggression, b6 for example, is more conservative than c5...
It is pretty much theory till like move 20, so deal wit hit chumps
Vekzel
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Poland142 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 15:36:10
October 21 2009 15:14 GMT
#197
Sorry guys for being late. I'll update all stuff within couple of minutes.

EDIT: Done. Voting time!
#1 Stork Fan II RET FIGHTING!!! II Nal_rA, Calm, UpMaGiC: GL 2U! II sAviOr: recover PLZ!
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 18:32:13
October 21 2009 17:55 GMT
#198
+ Show Spoiler +
Do you guys think 4...Bb4 would be worth it? Or should we just fianchetto one of them?

Edit: Eh, I'll go for it.
Vote: 4... Bf8-b4
anImaru
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 18:22:57
October 21 2009 18:15 GMT
#199
+ Show Spoiler +

It simply depends on what people are more comfortable playing...queen's indian or a nimzo/queen's indian hybrid. Both moves are viable. I personally prefer 4...Bb7. Edit: It is quite likely that both will be played. The order simply removes certain lines from consideration.


I vote 4...Bc8-b7.



Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
October 21 2009 19:05 GMT
#200
Bf8-b4
+ Show Spoiler +
the only way to make the classic a3 reply weaker
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