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My vote goes to c5-c7, into Benoni. + Show Spoiler +we can always follow up with b7-b6 or even the offensive b7-b5 to open things up. We're playing against a single player who can form a clear strategy on his own, we need to bring tactics into play since this would be easier for us to exploit as a group. I think a more defensive game plays right into Vekzel's hands. edit: on a different note, Carlsen broke 2800, and is within 9 points of Topalov. Surely, he's destined for great things.
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United Kingdom2674 Posts
Well normally I would not get myself into this kind of opening with black but since we are here...
I vote c7-c5.
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d7-d5
+ Show Spoiler +DECLINED
arbiter, why not go for the stronger middle position while we have the opportunity? why get all flashy with benoni? i was never a fan of it
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United States2822 Posts
I'm just going to withdraw from this because my chess knowledge isn't nearly extensive enough. :p
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On October 20 2009 20:07 scintilliaSD wrote: I'm just going to withdraw from this because my chess knowledge isn't nearly extensive enough. :p Yeah i have no idea what im doing , take me out aswell
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Guys, you've got to be kidding.
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Divinek, let me tell youo, its NOT just at superGM level. Im only a CM, and even at my lowly level, black just has to play defensively going for a draw. We win games with the black pieces when White tries too hard to force winning opportunities, making positional concessions to further his aims, only to have those self created weaknesses come back to bite them later.
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On October 20 2009 21:44 ZBiR wrote: c5-c7
Excellent move. But now you have given away that we have a DT on the board.
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On October 20 2009 23:23 Malinor wrote:Excellent move. But now you have given away that we have a DT on the board.
nice win lol
i'll take someones spot if they drops if thats cool O_o
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On October 20 2009 20:48 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 20:07 scintilliaSD wrote: I'm just going to withdraw from this because my chess knowledge isn't nearly extensive enough. :p Yeah i have no idea what im doing  , take me out aswell The opening is just like that. I think it'll be easier for us to contribute when it gets to the midgame.
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ok guys, we're only on move 3, which means we're on opening preparation.
if we play b6 -which we should- we will be playing
+ Show Spoiler +
the analysis of so far and what should come is as follows:
+ Show Spoiler + Case 1
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 e3 Bb4 6 Bd2 0-0 7 Bd3 Bxc3 8 Bxc3 Ne4 9 Bxe4 Bxe4 10 0-0 f5
and black has slight advantage
Case 2
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 Bg5 Be7 6 e3 0-0 7 Bd3 c5 8 0-0 d5 9 cxd5 Nxd5 10 Bxe7 Qxe7 11 Nxd5 exd5
with slight advantage for white but black has a solid defense position
Case 3
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 Qc2 !? c5 6 d4xc5 Bxc5 7 e4 Nc6
white has development but strange positioning. this line favors draw or black win
another variation of the same line is
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 Qc2 !? Bb4 6 a3 Bxc3 7 Qc3 Ne4 8 Qc3 d6
d6 being novelty. equal position for both
a more conservative line
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 e3 Bb4 6 Qc2 Ne4 7 Bd3 f5 8 0-0 Bxc3 9 bxc3 0-0 10 Nd2 Qh4
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On October 21 2009 00:42 lightman wrote:ok guys, we're only on move 3, which means we're on opening preparation. if we play b6 -which we should- we will be playing + Show Spoiler +the analysis of so far and what should come is as follows: + Show Spoiler + Case 1
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 e3 Bb4 6 Bd2 0-0 7 Bd3 Bxc3 8 Bxc3 Ne4 9 Bxe4 Bxe4 10 0-0 f5
and black has slight advantage
Case 2
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 Bg5 Be7 6 e3 0-0 7 Bd3 c5 8 0-0 d5 9 cxd5 Nxd5 10 Bxe7 Qxe7 11 Nxd5 exd5
with slight advantage for white but black has a solid defense position
Case 3
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 Qc2 !? c5 6 d4xc5 Bxc5 7 e4 Nc6
white has development but strange positioning. this line favors draw or black win
another variation of the same line is
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 Qc2 !? Bb4 6 a3 Bxc3 7 Qc3 Ne4 8 Qc3 d6
d6 being novelty. equal position for both
a more conservative line
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 e3 Bb4 6 Qc2 Ne4 7 Bd3 f5 8 0-0 Bxc3 9 bxc3 0-0 10 Nd2 Qh4
the only problem is your analysis is all based on + Show Spoiler + 4. Nc3 which is not whites main response to the Queen's Indian. 4. g3 is the more conventional response. I still support playing the Queen's Indian though as it used to be my opening against 1. d4 for quite a while before switching to the semi-slav
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its too early to post analysis, just decide if you want early or late game aggression, b6 for example, is more conservative than c5... It is pretty much theory till like move 20, so deal wit hit chumps
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Sorry guys for being late. I'll update all stuff within couple of minutes.
EDIT: Done. Voting time!
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+ Show Spoiler +Do you guys think 4...Bb4 would be worth it? Or should we just fianchetto one of them? Edit: Eh, I'll go for it. Vote: 4... Bf8-b4
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+ Show Spoiler + It simply depends on what people are more comfortable playing...queen's indian or a nimzo/queen's indian hybrid. Both moves are viable. I personally prefer 4...Bb7. Edit: It is quite likely that both will be played. The order simply removes certain lines from consideration.
I vote 4...Bc8-b7.
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