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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
April 16 2017 21:19 GMT
#3721
yay M2K!!!
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
April 17 2017 02:11 GMT
#3722
CEO Dreamland was the first large scale smash I went to and it was a blast! Loved watching melee.
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 12 2017 02:28 GMT
#3723

is looking at your opponent's controller to figure out their DI like that acceptable?
i feel like it shouldn't be illegal just because of how dumb that would be to enforce but the "carry around a cardboard barrier to block your opponent's vision of your hands" meta seems pretty silly (although I have also heard people talk about listening to their opponent's inputs, so idk)
brood war for life, brood war forever
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
May 12 2017 05:15 GMT
#3724
On May 12 2017 11:28 Crunchums wrote:
is looking at your opponent's controller to figure out their DI like that acceptable?
i feel like it shouldn't be illegal just because of how dumb that would be to enforce but the "carry around a cardboard barrier to block your opponent's vision of your hands" meta seems pretty silly (although I have also heard people talk about listening to their opponent's inputs, so idk)

People look down on it a bit but it's allowed. I don't think there's been much of a push back as it happens so infrequently. Fortunately most big tournaments' top 8 doesn't even have the players sitting next to each other (2 CRTs back to back with splitter cables) so it's impossible. I don't follow SF much but I've heard of people assigning nothing to certain buttons on their stick to get around their opponents listening to their inputs. E.g. on knock down you can hit your empty buttons making it sound like you're teching or doing a normal get up. Thought it was interesting.
Hi there. I'm in a cave, how bout you?
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 13 2017 18:09 GMT
#3725
i know someone who used to look at my controller to see techs back when he played sheik, i started just rolling the control stick to get random tech directions

that or i would just do spot dodge shine LOL

i look down on it personally but its not something that should be banned or is even enforceable without 2 crts
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
xHadoken
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States171 Posts
May 16 2017 07:21 GMT
#3726
On May 12 2017 11:28 Crunchums wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdV6SQBAwPI
is looking at your opponent's controller to figure out their DI like that acceptable?
i feel like it shouldn't be illegal just because of how dumb that would be to enforce but the "carry around a cardboard barrier to block your opponent's vision of your hands" meta seems pretty silly (although I have also heard people talk about listening to their opponent's inputs, so idk)


Its a risk reward type of scenario. If someone is taking their eyes off the game to look at the other players controller, there is so much that is happening on the screen to where they might get punished for not knowing where their character is or paying attention to what they are doing with their own movement.
Defeating a sandwich only makes it tastier
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
May 16 2017 14:21 GMT
#3727
On May 16 2017 16:21 xHadoken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 11:28 Crunchums wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdV6SQBAwPI
is looking at your opponent's controller to figure out their DI like that acceptable?
i feel like it shouldn't be illegal just because of how dumb that would be to enforce but the "carry around a cardboard barrier to block your opponent's vision of your hands" meta seems pretty silly (although I have also heard people talk about listening to their opponent's inputs, so idk)


Its a risk reward type of scenario. If someone is taking their eyes off the game to look at the other players controller, there is so much that is happening on the screen to where they might get punished for not knowing where their character is or paying attention to what they are doing with their own movement.

Nah I really beg to differ.
First off when you reach a mid level in melee, you already almost never watch your own character and instead focus on your opponent or the space in between you. Why? Because you already know what you're inputting and where your character is. Putting your attention on your own character is how you end up misspacing and getting punished.

Second, you would pretty much only look at your opponent's controller like this in situations where you hit them with moves that have plenty of hitstun and predictable trajectories BUT you would normally have to guess to get a followup. In this case since both you and your opponent's characters are occupied being thrown/hit or doing the throwing/hitting you also don't need to be watching the screen carefully because the two variables that could theoretically get you killed are controlled.
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 17 2017 09:12 GMT
#3728
say youre puff, if you get a grab you have time to glance whilst the up throw animation is in effect, theres nothing you can do or watch in game in that time other than their DI

really wouldnt say there is risk reward to this
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-04 12:51:53
June 04 2017 05:46 GMT
#3729
Puff's upthrow -> rest setup relies on the fox DI'ing incorrectly to work, if you took time to look at their DI they would have time to do it correctly and it wouldn't work.

Random plug: PM me if anyone from TL attends the foundry in SF. I go most weeks (tag is Vite) and need more people irl to play bw with.
Hi there. I'm in a cave, how bout you?
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
June 15 2017 01:15 GMT
#3730
Chudat -> Team Liquid

]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
June 15 2017 03:28 GMT
#3731
On June 04 2017 14:46 0mgVitaminE wrote:
Puff's upthrow -> rest setup relies on the fox DI'ing incorrectly to work, if you took time to look at their DI they would have time to do it correctly and it wouldn't work.

Random plug: PM me if anyone from TL attends the foundry in SF. I go most weeks (tag is Vite) and need more people irl to play bw with.


LOOOL hi vite
Writer
Fazers
Profile Joined August 2013
737 Posts
June 16 2017 19:32 GMT
#3732
I've got the Arduino mod and gotta say it's goddamn nice. I have a backup controller though, if it's not legalized.

It should be the standard though. Back dashes working correctly is beautiful. :')
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
June 17 2017 15:41 GMT
#3733
On June 15 2017 12:28 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 14:46 0mgVitaminE wrote:
Puff's upthrow -> rest setup relies on the fox DI'ing incorrectly to work, if you took time to look at their DI they would have time to do it correctly and it wouldn't work.

Random plug: PM me if anyone from TL attends the foundry in SF. I go most weeks (tag is Vite) and need more people irl to play bw with.


LOOOL hi vite

SUP BRO I'M BACK - but the foundry is dead :[
Hi there. I'm in a cave, how bout you?
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 05 2018 21:37 GMT
#3734
big leff!!!
Writer
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
September 19 2018 23:30 GMT
#3735
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
October 09 2018 04:12 GMT
#3736
Bummer about Armada. TBH I usually rooted against him, just because he played Fox so much, but I enjoyed watching him play Peach, and it's always a bummer for a game to lose its top player.

Btw, when's the next big tournament?
For Aiur???
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
October 09 2018 16:09 GMT
#3737
GTX is Nov 2
Dreamhack Atlanta and Smash Summit are both Nov 16
After that there's uhhh
Don't Park on the Grass, Dec 15
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
November 13 2018 01:43 GMT
#3738
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Liquipedia Entry | Smash.gg Overview
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Summit is going to be the last super stacked Melee tournament before Ultimate comes out next month. If you haven't been watching for a while, you might want to tune in.

Streams will (probably) be at:
  • https://www.twitch.tv/btssmash
  • https://www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit

I might update this with more information, but probably not.
TL+ Member
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
620 Posts
December 25 2018 16:58 GMT
#3739
wtf is this Salem guy doing on twitter?

as in: why is this guy on TL?

really disappointing to see someone raging against almost everyone in the melee community wearing the blues.
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
December 25 2018 22:35 GMT
#3740
On December 26 2018 01:58 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
wtf is this Salem guy doing on twitter?

as in: why is this guy on TL?

really disappointing to see someone raging against almost everyone in the melee community wearing the blues.

The best part is hes calling Armada a one trick while he has literally only ever been relevant by abusing Bayonetta in sm4sh. Dude wasn't even placing in regionals in brawl.
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