Smash Bros. Melee General Discussion - Page 124

On April 20 2015 18:09 ]343[ wrote:
poorly run tournament. seems like a combination of incompetence, unpreparedness, and bad luck.

exciting matches. westballz, axe, and hungrybox pre-stream switch were very on point. armada continues to prove his consistency under pressure / adverse conditions, unlike mango/leffen. m2k... sigh.

running big tournaments is hard. blur is talking on MIOM right now about how the TO has to take on too much riskwhen they secure a large venue but don't estimate turnout correctly, and stuff like that. dealing with large amounts of money is hard, and the community (and especially big grassroots TOs) need to learn how to safely deal with financial stuff. until then, it looks like we're going to repeatedly get kinda weird external organizations who (claim to??) understand finance but don't really have the advancement of the melee community in mind.

On April 20 2015 15:21 Footler wrote:
Hoping Armada can carry this form to Evo! But I'm also hoping someone can at least challenge him .

On April 21 2015 02:54 Zoler wrote:


This form aka playing below his average or maybe average at beast?

Mango and Leffen played pretty shitty from what I saw. Hbox had it 3-1 vs Armada but choked it away.

Westballz was close to taking all 3 games (not counting the one after power outtage) even though he firm step below Armada in skill.

The only ones playing good from what I saw was Westballz, Hbox (until chokes) and maybe Axe.

On April 21 2015 05:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
IDK Leffen played significantly worse at this tournament than he has for most of the past 4 months or so. It's fair to say he underperformed.

On April 21 2015 05:02 Footler wrote:


Mango is the only one I think that was underperforming. Armada was barely ever contested but when he was he adapted better than the opponent. Not much else to say. Leffen wasn't in bad form, he's just being Leffen and that's why he isn't 'amongst the Gods' yet.

With the form his Fox and Peach are in I can't see anyone other than PPMD giving him a challenge at Evo. And probably Mango since people will be sleeping on him by then.

On April 21 2015 06:27 Footler wrote:


I mean it's possible he did but who's to say the opponents he lost to just prepared better for him? There are too many factors that come into play to simply write it off as underperforming. Saying such a thing just takes away from the triumphant players who are putting in just as much work to earn these victories.

On April 21 2015 07:24 bo1b wrote:

Wat? Do people that make comments like this actually watch the games? G1 Armada vs Westballz was the only one where he clearly played better (before the power outage), if you paused g2 before he pulled a stitch I'd have probably put money on west winning, and I 100% would have put money on west winning g3.

On the same token leffen was playing meh, mango was playing horribly..


"Prepared better" is pretty disingenuous when they themselves didn't play at there peak performance. Smash is a hard game lol, people are allowed to not be on fire 100% of the time.

On April 21 2015 10:44 Footler wrote:


So, Armada only played better in one game but won the set? You say I didn't watch the tournament and come up with something like this? Also, what about Leffen vs Axe? It's like you're saying, "Axe couldn't have possibly played better than Leffen it was definitely just Leffen underperforming." It's bullshit, someone wins a tournament or pulls an upset and suddenly all these people start 'johning' for the loser. How is 'prepared better' anymore disingenuous than 'Player X just underperformed' which completely discredits the winners practice and preparation.

On April 21 2015 17:17 bo1b wrote:

Yeh when leffen repeatedly fails ledge dashing at a tournament I'm going to say he was underperforming, when Armada drops an edgeguard vs Westballz 3 times in a row I'm going to say he's underperforming. Ofc axe and westballz were playing well but come on man, the games they played we're not at the top of there performance.

Also leffen dying twice in a row to fucking rollout of all things...