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JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-01 19:48:59
April 01 2010 18:35 GMT
#161
On April 01 2010 12:08 Mystlord wrote:


Found this err.. gem today. Thankfully there are translated lyrics on the page. Go err.. go read them


lol

I dunno how to word this...

Edit:

Oh and on a promotion, you guys should play 7.5 Immaterial and Missing Power :D
It's a very difficult fighting game with a lot of things to pay attention to

vid explains a lot more obviously



The commentator is really enthusiastic on par with the Korean Commentators I would say xD

wiki:
http://iamp.mizuumi.net/index.php/Main_Page

IRC Channel:
irc.mizuumi.net, #IaMP

forum:
http://forum.mizuumi.net/

Forum just started so kind of empty but join the IRC channel, tell them your new and get owned

But seriously, people there are really high level, but there are a few lower level people like me
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
April 03 2010 18:42 GMT
#162
I don't like the fighting games.
I know they're like super technical and shit but every time I try them (both IaMP and SWR) I quit after like 15 minutes. Dunno, not my style I guess.
Not a big fan of fighting games in general.

So how are you guys doing in DS ?
I'm currently sitting at like 78/108, I only have the best (and most difficult lol) cards left.
I really really like it so far, and again, I feel like it's easier than StB, but maybe it's just that I improved in the meantime, I remember when I first got StB, I struggled super hard to get past level 5/6, and on this one after the first day I already had unlocked everything except Spoiler (now I have it, and most of the cards are like pretty easy, but very interesting).
And I really like the music too <3.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
April 04 2010 02:16 GMT
#163
I never understood the fighting games. They're just not that addicting you know

I haven't played Touhou in a while. osu got me hooked for a while, and I'm just starting to get back into Touhou
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
April 04 2010 03:20 GMT
#164
I could never get the hang of the controls in IaMP. Combine that with the long combo strings necessary... not the game for me.
I can already see the ending
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
April 04 2010 04:10 GMT
#165
On April 04 2010 12:20 DCLXVI wrote:
I could never get the hang of the controls in IaMP. Combine that with the long combo strings necessary... not the game for me.


Eh not really long combo strings, there are pressure strings yes, but the long complex ones are on the harder characters, (Alice for example)
Plus long combo strings are fun to do :D

Movement/controls I think are really easy in this game
The way the characters move gives you so many options.
If you compare it to something like Tekkan, where you can hardly move at all

But yeah its not that popular unfortunately :/
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
April 04 2010 04:27 GMT
#166
On April 04 2010 13:10 JSH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2010 12:20 DCLXVI wrote:
I could never get the hang of the controls in IaMP. Combine that with the long combo strings necessary... not the game for me.


Eh not really long combo strings, there are pressure strings yes, but the long complex ones are on the harder characters, (Alice for example)
Plus long combo strings are fun to do :D

Movement/controls I think are really easy in this game
The way the characters move gives you so many options.
If you compare it to something like Tekkan, where you can hardly move at all

But yeah its not that popular unfortunately :/

I did like playing it, but I am used to playing melee, where you hit one of two buttons and a direction for every move. I couldn't use moves like the spell card thing because I couldn't do the button inputs. (yes, I am that bad) I also had a hard time remembering what moves did what even after some time playing it. I guess I am just too used to playing melee.
And I thought that combos after you pressure your opponent and knocking them down/up were very important.
I can already see the ending
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 19:46:31
April 04 2010 05:13 GMT
#167
On April 04 2010 13:27 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2010 13:10 JSH wrote:
On April 04 2010 12:20 DCLXVI wrote:
I could never get the hang of the controls in IaMP. Combine that with the long combo strings necessary... not the game for me.


Eh not really long combo strings, there are pressure strings yes, but the long complex ones are on the harder characters, (Alice for example)
Plus long combo strings are fun to do :D

Movement/controls I think are really easy in this game
The way the characters move gives you so many options.
If you compare it to something like Tekkan, where you can hardly move at all

But yeah its not that popular unfortunately :/

I did like playing it, but I am used to playing melee, where you hit one of two buttons and a direction for every move. I couldn't use moves like the spell card thing because I couldn't do the button inputs. (yes, I am that bad) I also had a hard time remembering what moves did what even after some time playing it. I guess I am just too used to playing melee.
And I thought that combos after you pressure your opponent and knocking them down/up were very important.


well those aren't really combos as more like block strings. They are forced to block once they are knocked down, because obviously, they will get hit when they get up if they don't block against someone with decent timing. So you have these block strings that forces them to block and continue to block until ideally to the corner. Of course these strings will end, but you continue pressure with threat that if they don't block, they will get hit. Corner restricts their movement and escape routes. While doing this pressure strings, you have to watchout for DPs and bombs, which you have to predict and bait (by blocking or back dashing during pressure), then punish and continue.

Once they are in corner, basic strategy is to guard crush them. Guard Crush can be obtained by making them block wrong, or block too many bullets. Once they are guard crushed (no spirit) they can not use specials and bullets. And importantly, if they block wrong, attacks will either stagger, or induce clean hits.
Once they hit clean, you can combo off of that and yeah that is important.
Marisa is a good example on getting guard crush by making opponent block, and then going in and hitting either hi attack of low attack to get clean hit and combo

I find this game kind of like Melee (smash right?)
In a way that give you a lot of freedom in movement

Most of the moves in IaMP are basically 3 buttons for attack and simple directions.
No inputs are really that hard
at max hardest would probably something like 623 or 421 which would be right, down, right down and left, down, left down respectively

I'd say technically, smash is way way more difficult. The physical skills required, the metagame, is ridiculous for melee.
IaMP has a lot more simpler movement and attacks, but what makes it difficult is the mind games, which is present in every fighting game.
If you don't know what you are doing you will get raped really badly by experienced players, just like melee. (I had this happen when I started lol what was it lost in 75 seconds?)
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
April 04 2010 05:19 GMT
#168
Any new version coming out? The last I've seen is UFO.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-04 06:14:03
April 04 2010 06:10 GMT
#169
Double Spoiler (12.5) is the most recent, no words on 13 yet.

Personally found the fighting games fun, but I was never good with those types of games > <, to me it became just something for more music lol.
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
April 04 2010 06:24 GMT
#170
On April 04 2010 15:10 Ecael wrote:
Double Spoiler (12.5) is the most recent, no words on 13 yet.

Personally found the fighting games fun, but I was never good with those types of games > <, to me it became just something for more music lol.

Traditionally full Touhou games are released at the Summer Comiket. I think StB was released at Winter Comiket, and DS was released at Reitaisai 7. I expect a demo to be released around mid-late May as usual. The early demo for UFO last year was a surprise though
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
April 04 2010 07:18 GMT
#171
Um, 11's demo was Reitaisai too, ZUN had been doing reitaisai for demos for a while I thought.
tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
April 04 2010 08:42 GMT
#172
A lot of people on the forums I read (DS.com and shrinemaiden) don't expect a new touhou for the Summer Comiket now that DS has been released at Reitaisai.
I kinda tend to agree with that. I know ZUN is amazing but like .. Two games released the same year is a lot. Especially with no demo at Reitaisai, it looks to me like the next touhou is coming out in 2011.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
April 04 2010 17:16 GMT
#173
On April 04 2010 17:42 tyr wrote:
A lot of people on the forums I read (DS.com and shrinemaiden) don't expect a new touhou for the Summer Comiket now that DS has been released at Reitaisai.
I kinda tend to agree with that. I know ZUN is amazing but like .. Two games released the same year is a lot. Especially with no demo at Reitaisai, it looks to me like the next touhou is coming out in 2011.

I'm pretty sure the Subterranean Animism demo came out in May... Yeah it did:
http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/html/th11top.html. 5/25.

I know for sure that the UFO demo came out last year during Reitaisai.

And I'm not so sure about that tyr. I'll wait until the end of May to declare that there's going to be no Touhou this year. I remember that I was surprised when I saw that Phantasmagoria came out in Summer Comiket 2005 then Shoot the Bullet came out in Winter Comiket of the same year

I have faith! ^_^

Oh, and I just restarted downloading a bunch of Touhou songs since I was busy with Animes
I finally got around to listening to some of UI-70's stuff, and I can't believe how far they've fallen from their early stuff
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 06:35:37
April 05 2010 06:30 GMT
#174
Been listening/playing these two songs like nonstop from osu

+ Show Spoiler +






the Demetori song is hard on osu is very hard
but its very fun
on hard/lunatic difficulty of course

lol lunatic I can't even clear hard
I can get to like main "chorus" of the song, then once it gets back to the "verse" I fail do to awkward rhythm pattens and fast spread apart notes
well chorus and verse without lyrics lol

edit: spoilered the youtube video just in case
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
April 05 2010 06:53 GMT
#175
On April 05 2010 15:30 JSH wrote:


+ Show Spoiler +


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opbWMPM-2Ds


the Demetori song is hard on osu is very hard

Is that Demetori theme a remix of another theme? It sounds just like another touhou song I know (sanae's maybe?) And is it common to have the themes remixed and reused in later games?
I can already see the ending
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 08:43:00
April 05 2010 08:34 GMT
#176
On April 05 2010 15:53 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2010 15:30 JSH wrote:


+ Show Spoiler +


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opbWMPM-2Ds


the Demetori song is hard on osu is very hard

Is that Demetori theme a remix of another theme? It sounds just like another touhou song I know (sanae's maybe?) And is it common to have the themes remixed and reused in later games?


?

Well it is remix of Sanae's theme, Faith is for Transient People in MoF

edit:
oh I misread what you wrote lol
ZUN usually doesn't remix themes and reuse them but he does occasionally
like for the fighting games and some in Imperishable Nights

He usually composes new ones props to him
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
April 19 2010 05:21 GMT
#177
HEY HO! LET'S GO!

Hisoutensoku translation patch go ^_^

http://www.gensokyo.org/archives/1331

Shame that I can't play fighting games for the life of me.... :<
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 21:46:06
May 07 2010 21:13 GMT
#178


just found this, one of the few from Iosys that I really like :D


oh and might as well mention that Touhou UMS map
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124107

anyone get any further on 12.5?

I'm still working on 9.5
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
May 10 2010 09:21 GMT
#179
I haven't played 12.5 in a while, still sitting at like 80 cards cleared.

And yes, that sc2 map is pretty sweet lol
Amazing what the editor can do.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
CCGaunt
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States417 Posts
May 10 2010 09:58 GMT
#180
I honestly don't like the way the games progressed.
Perfect Cherry was my favorite, I don't like the fast bullets of UFO and etc.

Still like playing them though.
Take me to Korea
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