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Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
May 05 2009 12:35 GMT
#21
tbh i support KesPa ( flamed to death )

im not writing the reasons, but i support it =/
The.Crow
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
619 Posts
May 05 2009 12:36 GMT
#22
Wow, bookmarked that. It is a MUST read for everyone.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
May 05 2009 12:39 GMT
#23
The pylon heart happened before the rule change.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
May 05 2009 12:44 GMT
#24
@Marine50 - it's a member of the Dungeon & Fighter team 20:3.

@Pyrthas - I didn't label it, but the links to the full articles are in the resources at the bottom

@motbob - Yeah, I'm aware of that. My point is more - what was so drastically wrong with the actions taken before that prompted the rules to be put into place in the first place and was the situation more agreeable than the current climate of control and restraint. (I didn't actually know this would become a Final Edit - it was just written for fun ^^.)
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
May 05 2009 13:08 GMT
#25
I think kespa wants the games to be as "un-offensive" as possible, and made the rules to be what they though were the best. and the referees are too rigid to actually bother interpreting the rules; they just follow them blindly.

so either a) referees should be given some more discretion or b) they should change the rules. The rule in itself might not be a bad thing (despite the loss of "zizi yO" etc) but... yeah, something's gotta change.
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dpugliesi
Profile Joined August 2004
Brazil104 Posts
May 05 2009 13:14 GMT
#26
Very nice read,

I'm a huge fan of esports (not only starcraft) and the Korean scene still amazes me It's really something special.

As for the question "StarCraft becoming far too serious for it's own good?"

It's very hard to answer, I think there needs to be some sort of balance, being professional doesn't mean removing the human factor, sports in general have a lot of emotion involved and if indeed Starcraft is a sport like others, things like celebrations and rivalries are a huge part of it and for that reason alone they should be left intact.

I often think if what SK has will ever catch on the Western World, sadly I think this is still very far from happening, progaming still carries a heavy stigma around here, and that's not very likely to change anytime soon.

Oh well i'm digressing, thanks for the article. +)


=/
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 05 2009 13:23 GMT
#27
I maintain that when players are allowed to chat in game (e.g. Boxer vs Yellow form PL all-star, youtube it) it makes the game so much better
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-05 13:28:08
May 05 2009 13:25 GMT
#28
Who knows why KeSPA added offensive ceremonies. Was it because teams were pushing KeSPA to not allow FBH kinda ceremonies? Was it because progamers were pushing KeSPA? Not all players want to show hype ceremonies or play against ceremony doing player.

Perhaps KeSPA was middle man here which is right. Why would Progamers and proteams tell why these rules was implemented? Maybe they wanted those but KeSPA gets all blame (which is main reason why this kinda organization is there).

Why didn't progamers and proteams say anything against these new rules? Maybe they were key makers doing this / or pushing to make change.

On May 05 2009 22:23 Plexa wrote:
I maintain that when players are allowed to chat in game (e.g. Boxer vs Yellow form PL all-star, youtube it) it makes the game so much better


That is main reason why I don't watch all-star events. Kinda lost it purpose if they didn't practice properly for it and just chat inside game.
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
May 05 2009 13:29 GMT
#29
sadness leta and ruby.

days of ceremony is long gone. firebathero ah
Trust 神教教主 FlaSh | Believe 火心 EffOrt
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
May 05 2009 13:32 GMT
#30
On May 05 2009 22:25 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Who knows why KeSPA added offensive ceremonies. Was it because teams were pushing KeSPA to not allow FBH kinda ceremonies? Was it because progamers were pushing KeSPA? Not all players want to show hype ceremonies or play against ceremony doing player.

Perhaps KeSPA was middle man here which is right. Why would Progamers and proteams tell why these rules was implemented? Maybe they wanted those but KeSPA gets all blame (which is main reason why this kinda organization is there).

Why didn't progamers and proteams say anything against these new rules? Maybe they were key makers doing this / or pushing to make change.

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2009 22:23 Plexa wrote:
I maintain that when players are allowed to chat in game (e.g. Boxer vs Yellow form PL all-star, youtube it) it makes the game so much better


That is main reason why I don't watch all-star events. Kinda lost it purpose if they didn't practice properly for it and just chat inside game.


maybe allstar PL is just kind of a Fun Event. because usually they face up with someone they have rivalry and they pair into a team that completely different people from he's team is in there ( except some )
Trust 神教教主 FlaSh | Believe 火心 EffOrt
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-05 13:37:35
May 05 2009 13:36 GMT
#31
Just checked little bit of it cause I gotta go soon
But looks like something that is fun to read, I'm gonna enjoy of reading it later ^^
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Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-05 13:38:08
May 05 2009 13:36 GMT
#32
Damn, double post
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NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
May 05 2009 13:38 GMT
#33
On May 05 2009 22:32 AlwaysGG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2009 22:25 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Who knows why KeSPA added offensive ceremonies. Was it because teams were pushing KeSPA to not allow FBH kinda ceremonies? Was it because progamers were pushing KeSPA? Not all players want to show hype ceremonies or play against ceremony doing player.

Perhaps KeSPA was middle man here which is right. Why would Progamers and proteams tell why these rules was implemented? Maybe they wanted those but KeSPA gets all blame (which is main reason why this kinda organization is there).

Why didn't progamers and proteams say anything against these new rules? Maybe they were key makers doing this / or pushing to make change.

On May 05 2009 22:23 Plexa wrote:
I maintain that when players are allowed to chat in game (e.g. Boxer vs Yellow form PL all-star, youtube it) it makes the game so much better


That is main reason why I don't watch all-star events. Kinda lost it purpose if they didn't practice properly for it and just chat inside game.


maybe allstar PL is just kind of a Fun Event. because usually they face up with someone they have rivalry and they pair into a team that completely different people from he's team is in there ( except some )


Yes, events such as All Star and Rival Battle Break aren't meant to be taken seriously at all - they're done for the sake of variety and to show fans something a little different from the usual leagues. Hence at the last All Stars event in Busan we saw coaches doing heart hands ceremonies and players doing forward rolls on stage They can't really be judged in the same way as one might evaluate the regular leagues because they serve a totally different purpose at present (during those rare times they're actually done that is.)
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
May 05 2009 13:38 GMT
#34
I have a strong feeling that this is article - and poor governing practices by KeSPA in general will be what kills the SC community, not SC2.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
May 05 2009 14:02 GMT
#35
I think people are overreacting with all the "harshness" by Kespa.
Isnt it caused by Korean culture anyway?

Great article, thank you.
"Somebody you are talking to disappears mid sentence, and the universe shoots you because you talked to someone that wasn`t there." - MasterOfChaos
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
May 05 2009 14:08 GMT
#36
man I LOVE the silent agreement between everyone to ignore the fact that 'ceremonies' are by the most part incredibly subdued, embarrassingly shyly executed, limply delivered physical acts that would make a fist pump in the NFL look like Achilles parading around Troy with Hector fastened to his chariot; HOWEVER everyone still acts like they are outrageous physical stunts and their breath is taken away!

It's hilarious to think that the unquestionably footling actions of even someone so 'charismatic' as firebathero are considered outrageous when compared to any of the displays of professional athletes in NFL, football, hell even cricket. Well part hilarious and part tragic. Makes me want to face palm so much.

It would be so nice if they were encouraged to develop personalities outside the game, and do awesome signature ceremonies. Like Tito Ortiz with his grave digger ceremony after winning his fight.

I know the reason the paradigm is so insanely conservative is probably a combination of nerds being socially introverted and koreans being introverted; and it's all about the social context...but if they put it in the context of 'professional sports' how can it not be justifiable?

But I guess we have snooker, an example of a sport where you REALLY would not get a ceremony, and us Brits are incredibly introverted too. I still find it funny that everyone's like 'OHHHHH MMMMYYY FFUCCCCUUCKING GOD DID YOU JUST SEE THAT...>WTF>>>>> HE JUST DANCED FOR 3 SECONDS I THINK IM GOING TO DIE'
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
May 05 2009 14:18 GMT
#37
wut... i did'nt even noe this was going on...

ww? oh come onnn that's friggin ridiculous! i mean i understand y they want gg instead of ww (for the foreigners i guess) but still...
ggyo...
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 05 2009 14:24 GMT
#38
On May 05 2009 22:25 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Who knows why KeSPA added offensive ceremonies. Was it because teams were pushing KeSPA to not allow FBH kinda ceremonies? Was it because progamers were pushing KeSPA? Not all players want to show hype ceremonies or play against ceremony doing player.

Perhaps KeSPA was middle man here which is right. Why would Progamers and proteams tell why these rules was implemented? Maybe they wanted those but KeSPA gets all blame (which is main reason why this kinda organization is there).

Why didn't progamers and proteams say anything against these new rules? Maybe they were key makers doing this / or pushing to make change.

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2009 22:23 Plexa wrote:
I maintain that when players are allowed to chat in game (e.g. Boxer vs Yellow form PL all-star, youtube it) it makes the game so much better


That is main reason why I don't watch all-star events. Kinda lost it purpose if they didn't practice properly for it and just chat inside game.

Watch Boxer vs Yellow, its easily one of the most re-streamed vods on OGN (its fucking good ;o)
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
CFDragon
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States304 Posts
May 05 2009 14:48 GMT
#39
I think they're taking the restrictions too far. Yes, it's good to want some level of professionalism, but I firmly believe that "professionalism" should not interfere with everyone involved having a good time. Isn't it better if everyone's crazy and happy rather than professional and depressed?
HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-05 15:03:34
May 05 2009 15:02 GMT
#40
The days of seeing Firebathero flailing around on stage to the roar of a thousand fans at Busan and Rock (Ahn Gihyo.) flinging himself off the stage in an impromptu display of testosterone might be over, but there are signs of hope amidst the sober playing field.

That was my most favorite part in the whole article. Which all of it was very well written, I think everyone agrees how restrictions in e-sports like this are not a good thing.

On May 05 2009 23:08 HamerD wrote:
It would be so nice if they were encouraged to develop personalities outside the game, and do awesome signature ceremonies. Like Tito Ortiz with his grave digger ceremony after winning his fight.

dag nabbit, I hate ortiz. But your right. Its fun. Well actually, Ortiz is cooler nowandays. I take that back.
Hoo Ra!
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