I for one don't do offensive things when I play starcraft, or anything compertive for that matter, but i dont really see the harm in it. I mean from a strategic point of view if i know my opponent doesn't play very well when he is upset i think a little bit of mind games caused by ingame banter is just another part of the game. I think 'offensive' needs to be defined a little better for kespa

funnybananaman

United States830 Posts

May 07 2009 01:11 GMT

#82

great article! seriously though, this has been pissing me off for a while. Kespa has become the starcraft-nazis! no 2v2s, no island maps, no ceremonies, no typing to each other, BS forfeit losses,
THEYRE TAKING THE FUN OUT OF STARCRAFT

Jonoman92

United States9109 Posts

May 07 2009 02:02 GMT

#83

Nice write-up. It's a shame KeSPA has been lacking common sense lately.

InDaHouse

Sweden956 Posts

May 07 2009 13:50 GMT

#84

Very interesting article, thanks! Although I realized that I didn't understand some sentences. Your english is on a higher level. I must check several words asap.

Smix

United States4549 Posts

May 07 2009 17:50 GMT

#85

On May 05 2009 22:23 Plexa wrote:
I maintain that when players are allowed to chat in game (e.g. Boxer vs Yellow form PL all-star, youtube it) it makes the game so much better

SO entertaining when they interact with one another.
Great article NeverGG! Very nicely organized and cohesive in material. Definitely learned a few things and made me look at the recent Kespa controversies in a new light.

5FDP

Germany44 Posts

May 07 2009 20:17 GMT

#86

those great articles blow my mind

Grobyc

Canada18410 Posts

May 08 2009 00:41 GMT

#87

Awesome, I love reading the TLFE's! Thanks NeGG!

NeverGG

United Kingdom5399 Posts

May 08 2009 00:50 GMT

#88

On May 07 2009 22:50 InDaHouse wrote:
Very interesting article, thanks! Although I realized that I didn't understand some sentences. Your english is on a higher level. I must check several words asap.

Yeah, sorry about the flowery writing. I used to study creative literature during high school so I always tend to make my work a bit overly dramatic and vocabulary-tastic. I'm glad you enjoyed reading though

latent

United States428 Posts

May 08 2009 06:22 GMT

#89

Eh I don't care much for dancing celebrations anyways. It's too humiliating to the opponent. It reminds me of celebrations in the NFL, and how for many pure football enthusiasts the antics detract from the game. Bowing has always been a sign of respect for others and humility on the part of the winner. From what I can tell Koreans don't seem to be particularly in favor of ceremonies. There are plenty who don't like them as well as those who do.

As for the other rules they are pretty silly. Ppp vs. pp..? Lol.

ivychan

China1 Post

May 08 2009 08:45 GMT

#90

confidence comes first!

lovejessgill

United States51 Posts

May 17 2009 00:26 GMT

#91

its because this is the way korean culture has always been. There are strict rules set up for a good reason, and no matter how strict they are, once they are in place they are followed. Even customs are held to in a very strong way.

Many people here would not understand the rule-adhering customs of Koreans because you are obviously not familiar with them, however you don't see the Korean players in any outrage nor do they speak out against the system. It's simply the way we do things.

GiYoM

Korea (South)94 Posts

June 03 2009 05:45 GMT

#92

There was one old man at KeSPA that I liked. The rest of the people there seemed to be a bunch of underpaid power tripping a-hole.

Rekrul

Korea (South)17174 Posts

June 03 2009 08:16 GMT

#93

LOL sup giyom

konadora

Singapore66363 Posts

June 03 2009 12:43 GMT

#94

LOL OMG ITS GIYOM

korean7793

United States61 Posts

June 03 2009 14:52 GMT

#95

I agree that KeSPA is being a bit too harsh on these rules of "mistypes" and such, but I do believe they should cut out some of these ridiculous ceremonies after winning. After all, this is korea, which has a lot of respect, especially to elders. Also Starcraft to these programers are taken very seriously, and when you lose, you feel as if all your practice has been wasted. So when your victor does a humiliating dance in front of you(like FBH did to savior countless times) it hurts. I mean, if you just lost a game in front of many viewers, would you like it when they did an airplane dance all around you in front of everyone?

Asslap

United States11 Posts

July 01 2009 06:26 GMT

#96

They should take a serious look at organized sports like soccer, baseball etc. actually shit...look at golf, one of the most popular sports in Korea. (and might i add the richest purse) Realize where they draw the line for etiquette and "offensiveness" for both the players and the spectators. Think of any big Championship from any sport, the Super bowl, the NBA Championships etc.....you never hear/see/view any offensive behavior that would berate or mock the losing opponent by the winners. If anything that would occur during the match, between the players to boost/lower morale etc. (mind games)
And as for the sponsorship...thats a huge social situation (in Korea) that I know about, but am not part of everyday, but I believe that well....Starcraft 2 is coming out, at some point (prob this year) and the plane is taking off.....and not turning back around, everyone is going to look back @ the success of SC and the Korean scene to expand upon SC2 and other titles for Esports. (no other games comes close to this)
quick short story
I was actually at the US Open (Golf) a ocuple weeks ago.....had corporate tix, from the tent to Bethpage there was a Korean couple (from korea) sitting next to me with my friends behind and 30 something year old couple behind them...long story short, the korean man worked for a Media company out of Seoul. (cant rememeber the name i was tanked, a golf outing ffs!) We got to talkin about SC and Korea, turns out everyone in the shuttle including the driver all knew of/heard of starcraft. My point is if Starcraft2 is supposed to become the globally recognized e-sport that will truly have international leagues/matches as we all wish. Then this change Kespa creates is somewhat irrelevant. Allow the other, future companies to 'define' the guidelines. Heck, GOM is gonna be the leading SC2 tournament/league, let them create a Set Rule/Guideline.

Why don't we (the Starcraft Community) create a set of comprehensive rules for online/offline matches and etiquette. (Does this already exist for TL?)[sry for the long ass post, i tend to ramble, peace]