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Ozarugold
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
On May 05 2009 22:23 Plexa wrote: I maintain that when players are allowed to chat in game (e.g. Boxer vs Yellow form PL all-star, youtube it) it makes the game so much better I agree, Plexa. It's always entertaining when you can see them chat back and forth, especially when you can read a little of it. To see a lighter side of the players like that is more entertaining to me than, for example, after-game ceremonies, although Rock's was godly. | ||
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pooper-scooper
United States3108 Posts
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
I hope that KESPA "gets it" and starts to figure out a way to have a level playing field without worrying too much about everything that the players do. Yes, it's a game/esport, and yes, there should be some rules of conduct. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that every single rule needs to be followed to the letter, only to the spirit. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On May 05 2009 22:23 Plexa wrote: I maintain that when players are allowed to chat in game (e.g. Boxer vs Yellow form PL all-star, youtube it) it makes the game so much better I agree with you here plexa, the restrictions on chat and the requirement of saying gg and ppp for pausing is a tad ridiculous in here. KeSPA in its attempt to be socially correct goes completely overboard. When there attempts to control mannerism and ensure an unoffensive environment interfere with the outcome of a game itself (Obviously referencing Leta vs Kal here) its ridiculous. The community and KeSPA are here for the game, their attempts at being socially correct are really pathetic and pushing it. KeSPA is designed to ensure fair competition, how can it even be remotely considered fair to disqualify someone for saying PP instead of PPP. When a rules are taking away the competition from the game like that its just plain wrong. Even if we pretend there was NOTHING wrong with Leta's screen, this rule is still fucked, let alone taking in to account that his monitor was defective. KeSPA should exist to ENSURE FAIR PLAY. When they are forfeiting games to people for fucking typos they need to either get the fuck out or overhaul their rules. Nice article NeverGg | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
On May 06 2009 01:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I agree with you here plexa, the restrictions on chat and the requirement of saying gg and ppp for pausing is a tad ridiculous in here. KeSPA in its attempt to be socially correct goes completely overboard. When there attempts to control mannerism and ensure an unoffensive environment interfere with the outcome of a game itself (Obviously referencing Leta vs Kal here) its ridiculous. The community and KeSPA are here for the game, their attempts at being socially correct are really pathetic and pushing it. KeSPA is designed to ensure fair competition, how can it even be remotely considered fair to disqualify someone for saying PP instead of PPP. When a rules are taking away the competition from the game like that its just plain wrong. Even if we pretend there was NOTHING wrong with Leta's screen, this rule is still fucked, let alone taking in to account that his monitor was defective. KeSPA should exist to ENSURE FAIR PLAY. When they are forfeiting games to people for fucking typos they need to either get the fuck out or overhaul their rules. Nice article NeverGg I agree here, everyone knows that to maintain order, rules need to created, but following rules blindy and not using common sense just can mess things up. A bit of common sense would really help KeSPA. Everyone can typo sometimes, and losing game just because one missing letter is just retarded -.- | ||
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perx80
Malaysia65 Posts
I didn't know there is another DQ victim other than Leta. edit: I remembered during backho's ziziyo incident, KESPA didn't handled that well. They basically asked Firefist to make the final decision to whether he think he had lose the game. If Firefist is a jerk and don't care about his reputation, that game might in the end go to Firefist. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
I never connected it with the institution of the "no offensive ceremonies" rule, but it is true that ceremonies are basically a thing of the past in pro SC. I think especially after Leta's disqualification, players live in fear of KeSPA punishments, and this fear is interfering with their jobs as players and as entertainers. I hope that SC2 brings around a loosening of regulations that will increase SC's entertainment value. But with KeSPA still involved...it's unlikely. Are Korean fans as outraged about overregulation as we are?? | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
Good article, but was disappointed about that. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On May 06 2009 02:19 perx80 wrote: Just to point out a little mistake. Much vs FBH game with the pylon heart was not played in the proleague, but in Arena MSL R16 Game 3. I didn't know there is another DQ victim other than Leta. edit: I remembered during backho's ziziyo incident, KESPA didn't handled that well. They basically asked Firefist to make the final decision to whether he think he had lose the game. If Firefist is a jerk and don't care about his reputation, that game might in the end go to Firefist. That Backho vs Firefist was so wrong done by KeSPA. Referee should not talk to players at all (unless they pause). Win should have gone to Firefist but because KeSPA was afraid to not follow rules and started to ask help from players. Though there wasn't these new rules which are now in use but they had similar "if you chat you get disqualified" thing. These new rules makes firefist vs backho situations obsolete. Now they only have to learn to practise typing "ppp" and "gg". I bet coaches had few lessons to players after leta vs kal incident about rules. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
KESPA DROOLS | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 06 2009 03:11 Too_MuchZerg wrote: That Backho vs Firefist was so wrong done by KeSPA. Referee should not talk to players at all (unless they pause). Win should have gone to Firefist but because KeSPA was afraid to not follow rules and started to ask help from players. Though there wasn't these new rules which are now in use but they had similar "if you chat you get disqualified" thing. These new rules makes firefist vs backho situations obsolete. Now they only have to learn to practise typing "ppp" and "gg". I bet coaches had few lessons to players after leta vs kal incident about rules. Really? Did we watch the same game? This is one of those things AGAIN where you have to use some freaking common sense from the referee's and all the problems would be solved... PERIOD. That Backho vs Firefist where it was three bases against one base and Backho was already killing the last base and you want to give the win to Firefist because of a slipup that actually had no effect on the game? See smart ref's will realise that Firefist had plain lost and normally would have gg'd five minutes earlier anyway. However Backho vs Firefist is one I would say is worthy of disqualification because it was a stupid thing to do by Backho, whatever if he got DQ'd he got DQ'd. So yes, that whole GG or PPP rule would make sense there because it was a pretty stupid situation by backho. That is absolutely not the same thing as Leta vs Kal where a simple missed p with a flickering screen caused Leta and his team what could have quite possibly been a win. One p.. in a game where a fraction of a second can lose you 10 tanks. Give me a break. The firefist vs backho deal didn't cause much of an uproar but that Leta vs Kal thing did because it's just one step further where KesPa is killing every single players unique traits and homogenizing it into one big boring game. If they keep it up starcraft loses it's luster. People like FBH brought personality to what was a stagnant scene. This isn't even about KesPa making stupid rules it's about the stupid ENFORCEMENT of them that bothers people. That "PPP" thing is a prime example of an action where any referee or sports company with an iota of common sense would have been like "Ok, maybe making them type 3 p's is asinine and maybe his screen is flickering before a big attack so maybe we can let it slide because I mean ... it's one p" Any other sports organization would have either let it slide or not had such a stupid rule there in the first place. It's just that computers bring a whole range of technical difficulties that few sports have had to deal with before... you have to be cognizant of that when you make rules for it. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
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integral
United States3156 Posts
On May 05 2009 23:08 HamerD wrote: man I LOVE the silent agreement between everyone to ignore the fact that 'ceremonies' are by the most part incredibly subdued, embarrassingly shyly executed, limply delivered physical acts that would make a fist pump in the NFL look like Achilles parading around Troy with Hector fastened to his chariot; HOWEVER everyone still acts like they are outrageous physical stunts and their breath is taken away! It's hilarious to think that the unquestionably footling actions of even someone so 'charismatic' as firebathero are considered outrageous when compared to any of the displays of professional athletes in NFL, football, hell even cricket. Well part hilarious and part tragic. Makes me want to face palm so much. It would be so nice if they were encouraged to develop personalities outside the game, and do awesome signature ceremonies. Like Tito Ortiz with his grave digger ceremony after winning his fight. I know the reason the paradigm is so insanely conservative is probably a combination of nerds being socially introverted and koreans being introverted; and it's all about the social context...but if they put it in the context of 'professional sports' how can it not be justifiable? But I guess we have snooker, an example of a sport where you REALLY would not get a ceremony, and us Brits are incredibly introverted too. I still find it funny that everyone's like 'OHHHHH MMMMYYY FFUCCCCUUCKING GOD DID YOU JUST SEE THAT...>WTF>>>>> HE JUST DANCED FOR 3 SECONDS I THINK IM GOING TO DIE' QFT, almost every ceremony I've seen has been extremely awkward. | ||
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DrTJEckleburg
United States1080 Posts
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
On May 05 2009 21:44 NeverGG wrote: @Pyrthas - I didn't label it, but the links to the full articles are in the resources at the bottom  Hah, serves me right for not following them. My bad! | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On May 06 2009 04:02 Jayme wrote:This isn't even about KesPa making stupid rules it's about the stupid ENFORCEMENT of them that bothers people. That "PPP" thing is a prime example of an action where any referee or sports company with an iota of common sense would have been like "Ok, maybe making them type 3 p's is asinine and maybe his screen is flickering before a big attack so maybe we can let it slide because I mean ... it's one p". The thing is that what if game is about to end but losing player types "pp" and winner replies back "gg". Why would he type back "gg", its because by reflect you only glimps chat box and see "xx" (xx = being random 2 characters) and instantly type back. Now what would happen now, is it pause or lose for guy who types "gg"? What would have happened if Kal would have typed "gg" to letas "pp"? | ||
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