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KH1031
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States862 Posts
December 11 2007 17:52 GMT
#21
nice write up

Thanks
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
December 11 2007 17:58 GMT
#22
Quality read Mani, thanks!
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
koryano321
Profile Joined June 2007
United States309 Posts
December 11 2007 18:46 GMT
#23
mani, the only thing i can think of adding is on shin peaks of bekdu part is the epic game between nal_ra and savior.... when i think of that map, that is the one game that comes to mind. the ones u listed were pretty cool, but jaedong's game was nowhere near the epicness of those two monsters battling it out in the msl.
Scorpio2012 wrote: i guess god is about as useful as a protoss scout
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
December 11 2007 18:54 GMT
#24
nice write up


but where the fuck is Lost Temple??? T_T
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
December 11 2007 19:53 GMT
#25
very nice writeup but im also shocked to not see Lost Temple anywhere in the FE.. considering it was the first (or one of the very first) maps used in SC progaming and was used for a long time and provided for many exciting matches
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-11 19:57:52
December 11 2007 19:57 GMT
#26
Wow, I love your write-up despite the typos and such which slightly mar such a great article. Good analysis, good writing style, great organization and referencing.

Please do more things like this in the future [:

On December 12 2007 03:54 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
nice write up


but where the fuck is Lost Temple??? T_T

This makes me cry y_y
Peace~
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-11 20:38:30
December 11 2007 20:04 GMT
#27
WHAT THE FUCK MANI!!!!!!!

Where's Temple?
WHERE'S TEMPLE?
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
December 11 2007 20:19 GMT
#28
Awesome writeup Mani.
I love how high you placed Bifrost and Requiem.
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
December 11 2007 20:36 GMT
#29
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Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
December 11 2007 20:43 GMT
#30
REally nice article.. enjoyed the read!
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
December 11 2007 20:52 GMT
#31
Woahh, great read. Thanks!
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
December 11 2007 22:14 GMT
#32
woah thanks for the good read, i wasnt into progaming early enough but i always had thought mecury was a good map because of the oov reach game, so when i saw "The map Mercury, which was promptly renamed Fuckury by fans" i loled.
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
December 11 2007 23:39 GMT
#33
On December 12 2007 03:46 koryano321 wrote:
mani, the only thing i can think of adding is on shin peaks of bekdu part is the epic game between nal_ra and savior.... when i think of that map, that is the one game that comes to mind. the ones u listed were pretty cool, but jaedong's game was nowhere near the epicness of those two monsters battling it out in the msl.


Very true, that would have been a better pick.

On December 12 2007 03:54 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
but where the fuck is Lost Temple??? T_T


If this was an article about all time bnet maps, it would be #1. However, LT was used in one starleague and ghem TV (which sucks). It was barely a pro map at all.

On December 12 2007 05:36 Wasabi wrote:
Nnice article, although my favorite map list is very different from yours.


Post it up! Lets get a discussion going.

On December 12 2007 04:57 fanatacist wrote:
Wow, I love your write-up despite the typos and such which slightly mar such a great article.


Lies, there are no typos. NONE!
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 11 2007 23:44 GMT
#34
On December 12 2007 01:40 Diggity wrote:
awesome article. I would only change the recommendations on Shin Peaks of Baekdu to
Nal_ra v Savior http://teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/1685_Nal_rA_vs_sAviOr/vod


Yeah me too, and maybe GGPlay vs YellOw for 815? (i think it's the longest televised zvz, with defiler+hydra+devourer+lurker+sexiness)
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-11 23:58:23
December 11 2007 23:55 GMT
#35
Personal Recommendations:

Reach vs July Game 1 OSL Final on Nostalgia

Yellow vs Xellos
Ro8 Mycube OSL

Reach vs Silent_control
http://teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/1927_Control_vs_Reach/vod
:D
yakii *
Profile Joined June 2006
Korea (South)1448 Posts
December 11 2007 23:59 GMT
#36
nice read Mani Thank you for this great article.
사마난
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
December 12 2007 00:17 GMT
#37
On December 12 2007 08:44 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2007 01:40 Diggity wrote:
awesome article. I would only change the recommendations on Shin Peaks of Baekdu to
Nal_ra v Savior http://teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/1685_Nal_rA_vs_sAviOr/vod


Yeah me too, and maybe GGPlay vs YellOw for 815? (i think it's the longest televised zvz, with defiler+hydra+devourer+lurker+sexiness)


Again, yes, probably a better pick. However, most people have seen that game, and I was hoping that I would include VODs people would go watch, rather than VODs people would just agree with because they have seen them already.
ModeratorGodfather
.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-12 01:38:52
December 12 2007 01:17 GMT
#38
Incubus should definitely be bumped off the list in favor of Lost Temple, EVEN if it's not a competition map (I mean cmon, what's the difference, all the good maps are competition maps, LT just happens to be the only one that isn't).

I also think Shin Peaks should be number 1 and Arcadia's balance should be weighed higher.

BTW, where's BGH?
If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
nobodyhome
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
United States139 Posts
December 12 2007 02:05 GMT
#39
I disagree with the low score that Nostalgia received on the innovations side. While the map layout itself looks super boring, the map featured innovations which allowed it to become THE balanced of the era.

First of all was the side-path into the second expansion. Weirdness like this was uncommon back then, when the de facto standard was that there was a single choke into your natural.

Second of all was the lack of gas in the natural, and the presence of gas in the second expansion. Back then when Lost Temple was the standard map form, and terms like "natural" and "min-only" applied to a wide range of maps, having a non-gas natural was definitely an innovation. "Natural" back then meant that there was gas at the expansion, and "min-only" meant your second expansion, not your first. Nostalgia broke that.

And I kinda agree that Lost Temple should be on this list somehow, if not in the top ten then maybe special mention somewhere. Lost Temple set the form for pro-maps for a long time to come, ranging from naturals and min-onlies, island expansions that belonged to no starting point in particular, an open middle battle ground, the 4-player 128x128 form, cliffs above your expansions, mains on elevated ground with a single ramp as a choke into lower ground, etc.



As a side note, I suggest that this epic game in Shinhan1 Ro8 Boxer vs Oov should be on Ride of Valkyrie's list. Oov's had around 50 wraiths for half the game, a feat that would not have been accomplished if it were not for Ride of Valkyrie's capability to make the middle line a huge standoff between tank lines on both sides in a TvT. + Show Spoiler +
The single island expansion at the bottom necessitated that Oov get a large air force to try to break it, and also was the deciding factor that won Boxer the game.


http://teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/4148_BoxeR_vs_iloveoov/vod
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
December 12 2007 02:15 GMT
#40
i <3 monty hall nice list mani :D
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
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